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I have suggested that before Tom Send a noteboard - 15/12/2012 02:31:07 PM
In fact, if you read my initial response, that's what I suggested.

The only problem is that privately-held companies wouldn't do that, but at the public company level it is a great idea. It gives them a stake in the company's profit (upside potential) and allows them to vote at shareholder meetings, but because they can vote however they want to they don't HAVE to end up all voting the same way. Convince your money investors that something is a good thing and get enough worker votes as well, and you can get that pay increase. But if all the workers vote against it, well, you don't get it.
Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.

ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius

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This message last edited by Tom on 15/12/2012 at 02:32:08 PM
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Congrats to Michigan - The Newest Right to Work State! Anonymous2000 - 12/12/2012 04:59:29 AM 1470 Views
It's great that they were able to do it. Tom - 12/12/2012 02:45:39 PM 794 Views
I just think it's so... odd... that people don't realize things constantly evolve. beetnemesis - 12/12/2012 05:18:11 PM 744 Views
Isn't this a symptom of evolution? Jeordam - 12/12/2012 06:12:36 PM 780 Views
we also don't need unions to keep people on the job who are bad at it..... moondog - 12/12/2012 06:20:22 PM 774 Views
Unions are all about protecting underperforming workers and the union leadership. Anonymous2000 - 12/12/2012 06:37:41 PM 721 Views
Dude, that's insane. beetnemesis - 12/12/2012 06:58:42 PM 771 Views
That's a bit naive. And instead of evolution, I should have said "ever-changing" beetnemesis - 12/12/2012 06:55:41 PM 664 Views
No, big companies aren't all of a sudden altruistic... Jeordam - 12/12/2012 07:33:16 PM 724 Views
your three examples are of employers demanding workers do more for less moondog - 12/12/2012 07:41:12 PM 817 Views
The good and the bad of unions: Narg - 12/12/2012 10:33:46 PM 904 Views
Double post. Narg - 12/12/2012 10:33:50 PM 981 Views
Ok...employeers demanding people to do more for less. Jeordam - 13/12/2012 10:56:32 PM 725 Views
the point was that the union did not strike, the workers were prevented from working by management moondog - 13/12/2012 11:25:07 PM 753 Views
Yes, and if there was not a union... beetnemesis - 13/12/2012 04:56:57 AM 734 Views
What are the downsides of Unions? *NM* Narg - 12/12/2012 10:30:17 PM 444 Views
What are the upsides for anyone BUT unions? Cannoli - 13/12/2012 11:58:23 PM 809 Views
the answer to the political influence is hard campaign contribution limits from individuals only moondog - 14/12/2012 12:27:57 AM 698 Views
Cannoli - 19/12/2012 01:33:13 AM 921 Views
I was hoping to hear what a union supporter recognizes as flaws of unions. Narg - 14/12/2012 08:55:46 PM 824 Views
I'll tell you what my perceptions are.... Jeordam - 14/12/2012 09:30:33 PM 852 Views
one point i need to address here: moondog - 14/12/2012 10:09:24 PM 664 Views
Re: I was hoping to hear what a union supporter recognizes as flaws of unions. moondog - 14/12/2012 10:07:39 PM 619 Views
Sorry, didn't realize this was addressed to me. Sure, ok: beetnemesis - 15/12/2012 05:14:57 AM 890 Views
it's great? moondog - 12/12/2012 05:29:00 PM 748 Views
Pissed off people.... Jeordam - 12/12/2012 06:16:49 PM 668 Views
again, what industry will those people looking for work go to in michigan? moondog - 12/12/2012 06:23:47 PM 789 Views
This used to be the case, but no longer. ranagrande - 12/12/2012 06:34:01 PM 648 Views
but that's my point exactly moondog - 12/12/2012 06:40:20 PM 712 Views
Which industry are you refering to? *NM* Isaac - 12/12/2012 06:23:55 PM 371 Views
As a native Michigander, I can tell you it's great. ranagrande - 12/12/2012 06:26:53 PM 687 Views
+1 - This is going to help bring jobs to MI and benefit the auto industry. Anonymous2000 - 12/12/2012 06:33:43 PM 682 Views
unions still aren't the problem in michigan, it's reliance on a single industry as the main employer moondog - 12/12/2012 06:37:44 PM 662 Views
Michigan is one of the fastest growing areas for the tech industry. Michigan is starting to expand. everynametaken - 19/12/2012 03:28:18 AM 845 Views
So let me get this straight. Dannymac - 13/12/2012 03:54:14 PM 753 Views
Yes, it's a good thing, a very, very good thing! Anonymous2000 - 13/12/2012 05:45:43 PM 699 Views
no "right to work" in MO, MT, CO, NM, KY, WV, OH, MA, NY, DE, MN, WI, PA, OR, WA, HI, AK, MD moondog - 13/12/2012 06:56:17 PM 731 Views
Just to play devil's advocate... Tom - 13/12/2012 09:12:02 PM 703 Views
That would be an interesting study... Jeordam - 13/12/2012 09:51:21 PM 687 Views
Re: Just to play devil's advocate... moondog - 13/12/2012 09:57:07 PM 641 Views
I, for one, stipulate that you are correct. Jeordam - 13/12/2012 10:06:34 PM 732 Views
Re: I, for one, stipulate that you are correct. moondog - 13/12/2012 10:18:27 PM 708 Views
How is that wrong? Jeordam - 13/12/2012 10:52:24 PM 667 Views
it's wrong because it ultimately drives down *all* workers' pay, not just the unions moondog - 13/12/2012 11:26:00 PM 701 Views
Your argument is completely fallacious. Tom - 14/12/2012 04:17:58 AM 682 Views
A brilliant argument... Dannymac - 14/12/2012 07:23:53 AM 763 Views
You are assuming that business owners do not value "on the job" experience Orange - 14/12/2012 09:03:35 AM 809 Views
Your hypothetical doesn't stand up in the real world, however. Tom - 14/12/2012 02:46:23 PM 741 Views
the only reason unions are obsolete is because republicans don't want them supporting dems moondog - 14/12/2012 06:43:56 PM 677 Views
Unions being obsolete has almost nothing to do with internal American politics Tom - 14/12/2012 07:10:38 PM 619 Views
i would disagree, at least with respect to the spate of "right to work" laws being pushed through moondog - 14/12/2012 07:32:26 PM 692 Views
Unions aren't going to help rein in CEO pay or corporate profits. Tom - 14/12/2012 10:48:51 PM 680 Views
i'll take you one further.... moondog - 14/12/2012 11:24:26 PM 622 Views
I have suggested that before Tom - 15/12/2012 02:31:07 PM 671 Views
so you did. sorry about that! moondog - 15/12/2012 03:59:16 PM 643 Views
So to work with your thoughts (regarding the Romans) Jeordam - 14/12/2012 06:07:06 PM 675 Views
funny thing about that..... moondog - 14/12/2012 07:25:50 PM 613 Views
And so what if they are all shit jobs with substandard pay! Dannymac - 14/12/2012 07:08:41 AM 699 Views
What do you want me to say? Jeordam - 14/12/2012 05:58:45 PM 800 Views
And so the destruction of the Middle Class continues. *NM* Dannymac - 13/12/2012 03:43:36 PM 356 Views
The unions already destroyed the middle class..... Anonymous2000 - 13/12/2012 05:46:56 PM 716 Views
Do you really not understand why unions existed in the first place? Dannymac - 14/12/2012 06:55:27 AM 645 Views
Why they first existed is not in issue. It is if they STILL serve a useful or detrimental purpose. HyogaRott - 14/12/2012 03:00:48 PM 702 Views
Yeah, moron! What is wrong with you, that you do not blindly accept his underlying premise? Cannoli - 19/12/2012 01:35:37 AM 1026 Views
Damn, I agree with Anonymous2000. callandor1000 - 14/12/2012 04:29:36 AM 741 Views
This must be a trying time for you. Dannymac - 14/12/2012 07:06:56 AM 691 Views
Callandor sees the light, perhaps it's time for you as well! *NM* Anonymous2000 - 14/12/2012 02:08:47 PM 322 Views
HOW they are doing it..is bullshit Amyrlin - 13/12/2012 06:33:09 PM 845 Views
How? Residents of MI elected a Republican legislature and Governor..... Anonymous2000 - 13/12/2012 09:25:43 PM 665 Views
You have the right to work, not the right to vote in an election as you see fit and keep your job. *NM* heartbreak - 15/12/2012 03:23:13 AM 410 Views
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