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No, they are pretty much illegal for the general public under all conditions. Joel Send a noteboard - 22/12/2012 09:35:35 PM
Look at what Timothy McVay did with some fertilizer. What about poisons? Hell people die in the construction industry all the time. Obviously you can go on and on. Point being, people are going to die one way or another. If people didn't, this planet would quickly run out of resources. So there's no reason to panic because a very small percentage of the population is killed by guns every year. Life is cruel and shit happens. If life hasn't beaten that into you by the time you die, you probably lived in a cave.

Law enforcement need not wait for someone to "commit a crime" with a bomb; just making or having one is itself crime enough to send them to prison if caught. Since the Oklahoma City bombing mass quantities of fertilizer DO require permits, specifically to prevent someone repeating Timothy McVeighs actions. How many have? The only one I know of is Breivik, who did it halfway around the world and had to create a fake agricultural business to get the fertilizer.

I am not panicking at all; I am simply saying that if we do not allow universal access to bombs, cars and tons of fertilizer on demand, no questions asked, we should not do so with guns. If you want panic, talk to my relatives who insist there is "already SO MUCH gun control" nothing further is possible except confiscating all of them. Talk to the people who think a UN treaty to ban SOME IMPORTED weapons equals gun confiscation. Talk to the gun rights advocates who insist any and all gun control equals confiscating all guns. Bring a dictionary for them; you will surely need it. ;)
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the NRA shows it is an asylum overrun by lunatics - 22/12/2012 04:40:26 PM 1397 Views
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OK... - 22/12/2012 06:58:42 PM 925 Views
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The effectiveness issue aside - 22/12/2012 06:13:30 PM 807 Views
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If it's shown to work - 23/12/2012 12:25:38 AM 923 Views
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I have never seen any mention of them among the injured or dead (or at all.) - 23/12/2012 01:09:38 AM 933 Views
A fuller account of Gardner - 23/12/2012 10:27:24 AM 994 Views
Nice link. - 23/12/2012 02:27:30 PM 771 Views
Re: Nice link. - 23/12/2012 03:15:24 PM 770 Views
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What is public safety worth to you? - 23/12/2012 12:54:04 AM 775 Views
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Kind of a Catch-22; if they PREVENT shootings, shootings can only occur in their absence. - 23/12/2012 01:52:03 AM 901 Views
ok, here is my last word on the subject - 23/12/2012 02:06:49 AM 827 Views
9 people injured vs. 20 people dead. - 23/12/2012 02:34:00 AM 754 Views
it is still "more guns makes us safer" which has yet to prevent a single massacre in this country - 23/12/2012 02:41:56 PM 867 Views
Peter Odighizuwa comes to mind, that's also horrible logic - 23/12/2012 08:27:46 PM 780 Views
[citation needed] - 25/12/2012 04:54:14 PM 752 Views
Fair enough - 25/12/2012 09:06:43 PM 1135 Views
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Cars require training, certification and licensing, too; why should guns not? - 22/12/2012 08:25:43 PM 962 Views
Do bombs require certification? - 22/12/2012 09:21:25 PM 1078 Views
No, they are pretty much illegal for the general public under all conditions. - 22/12/2012 09:35:35 PM 739 Views
i say this with all due respect -- eat a bag of dicks - 23/12/2012 01:04:08 AM 842 Views
That was pretty damn respectful under the circumstances. - 23/12/2012 01:10:04 AM 802 Views
The lack of intellect displayed here is to be expected - 23/12/2012 04:01:32 AM 822 Views
so according to you we should just make life illegal since everyone is going to die from something.. - 23/12/2012 07:25:05 AM 752 Views
Obviously you didn't put pay attention - 23/12/2012 01:40:17 PM 794 Views
no, you said "fuck it because people die anyway". there is a big difference - 23/12/2012 02:46:46 PM 726 Views
As usual, you are wrong on so many fronts... - 27/12/2012 10:39:04 PM 1056 Views
Dicks and stones - 23/12/2012 03:54:25 AM 981 Views
FYI - I gave moondog a 30-day time-out via the ignore function. - 23/12/2012 05:48:13 AM 691 Views
FYI -- you didn't post to this board for 30+ days - 23/12/2012 07:21:44 AM 725 Views
I'm not sure it's about guns. - 23/12/2012 06:08:50 PM 777 Views

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