Deputy Neil Gardner was a 15-year veteran of the Jefferson County, Colo., Sheriff’s Office assigned as the uniformed officer at Columbine. According to an account compiled by the police department, Gardner fired on Harris but was unsuccessful in stopping him:
Gardner, seeing Harris working with his gun, leaned over the top of the car and fired four shots. He was 60 yards from the gunman. Harris spun hard to the right and Gardner momentarily thought he had hit him. Seconds later, Harris began shooting again at the deputy.
After the exchange of gunfire, Harris ran back into the building. Gardner was able to get on the police radio and called for assistance from other Sheriff’s units. "Shots in the building. I need someone in the south lot with me."
The second officer was Deputy Paul Smoker, a motorcycle patrolman who was near the school writing a speeding ticket. When he heard a dispatch of a woman injured at the high school, he responded. He, too, fired at Harris but didn't stop him.
Gardner, seeing Harris working with his gun, leaned over the top of the car and fired four shots. He was 60 yards from the gunman. Harris spun hard to the right and Gardner momentarily thought he had hit him. Seconds later, Harris began shooting again at the deputy.
After the exchange of gunfire, Harris ran back into the building. Gardner was able to get on the police radio and called for assistance from other Sheriff’s units. "Shots in the building. I need someone in the south lot with me."
The second officer was Deputy Paul Smoker, a motorcycle patrolman who was near the school writing a speeding ticket. When he heard a dispatch of a woman injured at the high school, he responded. He, too, fired at Harris but didn't stop him.
if that does not convince you otherwise, explain how a single gunman could take out 15 at fort hood. the largest US military base in the world, which i can only assume is crawling with plenty of armed and well-trained shooters, and they still had trouble containing a single person with a gun. the suggestion from the NRA that this tactic is going to work with such evidence to the contrary is basically them trying to blame everyone but themselves for the culture we've created that allows these massacres to continue to happen.
"The RIAA has shown a certain disregard for the creative people of the industry in their eagerness to protect the revenues of the record companies." -- Frank Zappa
"That's the trouble with political jokes in this country... they get elected!" -- Dave Lippman
"That's the trouble with political jokes in this country... they get elected!" -- Dave Lippman
the NRA shows it is an asylum overrun by lunatics
- 22/12/2012 04:40:26 PM
1442 Views
I do not see why calling for armed cops at schools is an unreasonable response.
- 22/12/2012 04:53:06 PM
973 Views
I can think of two reasons off the top of my head
- 22/12/2012 05:38:19 PM
977 Views
If the schools that the children of our elected representatives attend are gaurded, so should mine.
- 26/12/2012 03:00:35 PM
768 Views
If someone is shooting at you having a gun to shoot back seems like a good idea
- 26/12/2012 06:10:07 PM
810 Views
The effectiveness issue aside
- 22/12/2012 06:13:30 PM
855 Views
Re: The effectiveness issue aside
- 22/12/2012 06:59:36 PM
932 Views
If you think it would solve the debate then probably
- 22/12/2012 07:09:42 PM
906 Views
Nothing will ever truly end the debate, but we can greatly reduce or end its justification.
- 22/12/2012 08:03:39 PM
870 Views
If it's shown to work
- 23/12/2012 12:25:38 AM
959 Views
Of the many school shootings in recent years, I am aware of none where armed cops were present.
- 23/12/2012 12:47:32 AM
885 Views
columbine had two armed guards on the day of the shooting. they were both immediately fired upon...
- 23/12/2012 12:49:30 AM
818 Views
I have never seen any mention of them among the injured or dead (or at all.)
- 23/12/2012 01:09:38 AM
969 Views
you should try harder
- 23/12/2012 01:15:34 AM
1006 Views
"a motorcycle patrolman who was near the school writing a speeding ticket" is not stationed there.
- 23/12/2012 01:34:50 AM
936 Views
he still didn't stop the shooting, whether he was there before or after it started
- 23/12/2012 01:49:24 AM
945 Views
No kidding; how could he stop the shooting before it started if he was not there?
- 23/12/2012 02:16:59 AM
801 Views
A fuller account of Gardner
- 23/12/2012 10:27:24 AM
1042 Views
Nice link.
- 23/12/2012 02:27:30 PM
804 Views
Re: Nice link.
- 23/12/2012 03:15:24 PM
823 Views
Inexplicably, Ft. Hood was a gun free zone (guess no one told the shooter.)
- 26/12/2012 06:12:42 PM
824 Views
Re: Nice link.
- 23/12/2012 04:21:27 PM
820 Views
Gardner:If you’re going to put a police officer in a school, make sure his focus stays on the school
- 26/12/2012 06:40:41 PM
879 Views
The children are what matter, not the school. Surely this isn't something you disagree on?
- 29/12/2012 02:15:12 PM
896 Views
As usual Moondog, you are missing a BUNCH of facts on this one (links inside)
- 26/12/2012 07:51:29 PM
939 Views
at last count, over 99,000 schools in the US
- 23/12/2012 12:45:30 AM
904 Views
What is public safety worth to you?
- 23/12/2012 12:54:04 AM
827 Views
it's not entirely a matter of cost, although that factors into it.
- 23/12/2012 01:01:50 AM
744 Views
There are many cases where armed cops ended mass shootings.
- 23/12/2012 01:28:25 AM
759 Views
there are none where an armed guard placed there *before* the shooting had any effect
- 23/12/2012 01:36:42 AM
893 Views
Kind of a Catch-22; if they PREVENT shootings, shootings can only occur in their absence.
- 23/12/2012 01:52:03 AM
937 Views
ok, here is my last word on the subject
- 23/12/2012 02:06:49 AM
870 Views
9 people injured vs. 20 people dead.
- 23/12/2012 02:34:00 AM
800 Views
it is still "more guns makes us safer" which has yet to prevent a single massacre in this country
- 23/12/2012 02:41:56 PM
908 Views
Peter Odighizuwa comes to mind, that's also horrible logic
- 23/12/2012 08:27:46 PM
814 Views
Care to prove that negative? The burden to do so is on you as the person who made the assertion.
- 26/12/2012 06:47:07 PM
786 Views
It doesn't have to be a full time gaurd standing looking dangerous.
- 26/12/2012 06:12:14 PM
898 Views
Re: the NRA shows it is an asylum overrun by lunatics
- 22/12/2012 06:36:32 PM
1056 Views
I believe it is fairly common in junior and high schools today, but not elementary schools.
- 22/12/2012 07:12:32 PM
824 Views
This entire post is completely irrelevant.
- 22/12/2012 07:27:45 PM
920 Views
Those who want univeral prohibition/access are equally fringe minorities.
- 22/12/2012 08:18:00 PM
860 Views
there is no Left or Right on this issue, there is only Sane and Insane
- 23/12/2012 12:59:08 AM
913 Views
also: it's insulting to tell parents their kids would be alive if only more guns were around
- 23/12/2012 01:30:53 AM
836 Views
People die from all sort of causes
- 22/12/2012 07:27:53 PM
880 Views
Cars require training, certification and licensing, too; why should guns not?
- 22/12/2012 08:25:43 PM
1004 Views
Do bombs require certification?
- 22/12/2012 09:21:25 PM
1116 Views
No, they are pretty much illegal for the general public under all conditions.
- 22/12/2012 09:35:35 PM
782 Views
i say this with all due respect -- eat a bag of dicks
- 23/12/2012 01:04:08 AM
884 Views
That was pretty damn respectful under the circumstances.
- 23/12/2012 01:10:04 AM
840 Views
The lack of intellect displayed here is to be expected
- 23/12/2012 04:01:32 AM
864 Views
so according to you we should just make life illegal since everyone is going to die from something..
- 23/12/2012 07:25:05 AM
796 Views
Obviously you didn't put pay attention
- 23/12/2012 01:40:17 PM
826 Views
no, you said "fuck it because people die anyway". there is a big difference
- 23/12/2012 02:46:46 PM
766 Views
Dicks and stones
- 23/12/2012 03:54:25 AM
1025 Views
cars and guns kill roughly the same number of people every year -- around 30,000 give or take
- 23/12/2012 01:02:44 AM
846 Views
But over half of gun deaths are suicide.....so cars are much more dangerous to society. *NM*
- 23/12/2012 05:35:45 AM
360 Views
Every year is iffy there, it dropped off the last two, was 40k-50k plus for cars since 1962
- 23/12/2012 11:55:50 AM
799 Views
except that cars are legislated to be safer every year, guns aren't.
- 23/12/2012 03:01:36 PM
855 Views
Guns are for killing, cars are for transport, cars aren't any safer now against use for homicide
- 23/12/2012 08:22:13 PM
802 Views
but if we are trying to minimize the number of deaths, then more MUST be done for gun laws
- 24/12/2012 03:33:31 AM
767 Views
More must be done to minimize, not necessarily with greater regulation
- 24/12/2012 04:27:04 AM
895 Views
Re: More must be done to minimize, not necessarily with greater regulation
- 25/12/2012 04:49:54 PM
837 Views
Re: More must be done to minimize, not necessarily with greater regulation
- 25/12/2012 08:41:53 PM
819 Views
Here is some interesting data.....knives are as dangerous as "non-handguns"
- 23/12/2012 05:45:08 AM
885 Views
I hope you don't mind me taking this opportunity to plug my new book, "How to Cook with Guns" *NM*
- 23/12/2012 03:04:06 PM
461 Views
there was a school mass stabbing in china the same day as sandy hook
- 23/12/2012 03:18:00 PM
833 Views
I am equally happy that the criminal was incompetant, but that does not diminish their lethality
- 27/12/2012 10:45:33 PM
911 Views
I'm not sure it's about guns.
- 23/12/2012 06:08:50 PM
817 Views
IMO it is about the media attention focuised on the perpetrator. Their name becomes history. *NM*
- 27/12/2012 10:47:15 PM
420 Views