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"a motorcycle patrolman who was near the school writing a speeding ticket" is not stationed there. Joel Send a noteboard - 23/12/2012 01:34:50 AM
Deputy Neil Gardner was a 15-year veteran of the Jefferson County, Colo., Sheriff’s Office assigned as the uniformed officer at Columbine. According to an account compiled by the police department, Gardner fired on Harris but was unsuccessful in stopping him:

Gardner, seeing Harris working with his gun, leaned over the top of the car and fired four shots. He was 60 yards from the gunman. Harris spun hard to the right and Gardner momentarily thought he had hit him. Seconds later, Harris began shooting again at the deputy.

After the exchange of gunfire, Harris ran back into the building. Gardner was able to get on the police radio and called for assistance from other Sheriff’s units. "Shots in the building. I need someone in the south lot with me."

The second officer was Deputy Paul Smoker, a motorcycle patrolman who was near the school writing a speeding ticket. When he heard a dispatch of a woman injured at the high school, he responded. He, too, fired at Harris but didn't stop him.

if that does not convince you otherwise, explain how a single gunman could take out 15 at fort hood. the largest US military base in the world, which i can only assume is crawling with plenty of armed and well-trained shooters, and they still had trouble containing a single person with a gun. the suggestion from the NRA that this tactic is going to work with such evidence to the contrary is basically them trying to blame everyone but themselves for the culture we've created that allows these massacres to continue to happen.

That is not how patrols work, and cops stationed at schools are not out on the road writing tickets to passing motorists. I already linked you to an article on Officer Gardner; again, he had been dispatched elsewhere when the shooting started and had to go BACK to the school. Also once again, he says armed police STATIONED at the school WOULD have prevented Columbine, but such officers should have no other duties, probably because he realizes being half a football field away when he confronted the shooters reduced his effectiveness.
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the NRA shows it is an asylum overrun by lunatics moondog - 22/12/2012 04:40:26 PM 1485 Views
I do not see why calling for armed cops at schools is an unreasonable response. Joel - 22/12/2012 04:53:06 PM 1014 Views
I can think of two reasons off the top of my head beetnemesis - 22/12/2012 05:38:19 PM 1017 Views
OK... Joel - 22/12/2012 06:58:42 PM 1000 Views
If the schools that the children of our elected representatives attend are gaurded, so should mine. HyogaRott - 26/12/2012 03:00:35 PM 805 Views
If someone is shooting at you having a gun to shoot back seems like a good idea random thoughts - 26/12/2012 06:10:07 PM 849 Views
The effectiveness issue aside TheCrownless - 22/12/2012 06:13:30 PM 896 Views
Re: The effectiveness issue aside Joel - 22/12/2012 06:59:36 PM 966 Views
If you think it would solve the debate then probably TheCrownless - 22/12/2012 07:09:42 PM 951 Views
Nothing will ever truly end the debate, but we can greatly reduce or end its justification. Joel - 22/12/2012 08:03:39 PM 906 Views
If it's shown to work TheCrownless - 23/12/2012 12:25:38 AM 996 Views
Of the many school shootings in recent years, I am aware of none where armed cops were present. Joel - 23/12/2012 12:47:32 AM 931 Views
columbine had two armed guards on the day of the shooting. they were both immediately fired upon... moondog - 23/12/2012 12:49:30 AM 861 Views
I have never seen any mention of them among the injured or dead (or at all.) Joel - 23/12/2012 01:09:38 AM 1003 Views
you should try harder moondog - 23/12/2012 01:15:34 AM 1045 Views
"a motorcycle patrolman who was near the school writing a speeding ticket" is not stationed there. Joel - 23/12/2012 01:34:50 AM 980 Views
he still didn't stop the shooting, whether he was there before or after it started moondog - 23/12/2012 01:49:24 AM 987 Views
No kidding; how could he stop the shooting before it started if he was not there? Joel - 23/12/2012 02:16:59 AM 832 Views
A fuller account of Gardner snoopcester - 23/12/2012 10:27:24 AM 1080 Views
Nice link. Joel - 23/12/2012 02:27:30 PM 842 Views
Re: Nice link. moondog - 23/12/2012 03:15:24 PM 864 Views
Inexplicably, Ft. Hood was a gun free zone (guess no one told the shooter.) Joel - 26/12/2012 06:12:42 PM 862 Views
Re: Nice link. snoopcester - 23/12/2012 04:21:27 PM 856 Views
Gardner:If you’re going to put a police officer in a school, make sure his focus stays on the school Joel - 26/12/2012 06:40:41 PM 918 Views
The children are what matter, not the school. Surely this isn't something you disagree on? snoopcester - 29/12/2012 02:15:12 PM 940 Views
As usual Moondog, you are missing a BUNCH of facts on this one (links inside) HyogaRott - 26/12/2012 07:51:29 PM 978 Views
at last count, over 99,000 schools in the US moondog - 23/12/2012 12:45:30 AM 939 Views
What is public safety worth to you? Joel - 23/12/2012 12:54:04 AM 866 Views
it's not entirely a matter of cost, although that factors into it. moondog - 23/12/2012 01:01:50 AM 779 Views
There are many cases where armed cops ended mass shootings. Joel - 23/12/2012 01:28:25 AM 802 Views
there are none where an armed guard placed there *before* the shooting had any effect moondog - 23/12/2012 01:36:42 AM 936 Views
Kind of a Catch-22; if they PREVENT shootings, shootings can only occur in their absence. Joel - 23/12/2012 01:52:03 AM 973 Views
ok, here is my last word on the subject moondog - 23/12/2012 02:06:49 AM 916 Views
9 people injured vs. 20 people dead. Joel - 23/12/2012 02:34:00 AM 839 Views
it is still "more guns makes us safer" which has yet to prevent a single massacre in this country moondog - 23/12/2012 02:41:56 PM 951 Views
Peter Odighizuwa comes to mind, that's also horrible logic Isaac - 23/12/2012 08:27:46 PM 853 Views
[citation needed] moondog - 25/12/2012 04:54:14 PM 840 Views
Fair enough Isaac - 25/12/2012 09:06:43 PM 1214 Views
Care to prove that negative? The burden to do so is on you as the person who made the assertion. Joel - 26/12/2012 06:47:07 PM 826 Views
It doesn't have to be a full time gaurd standing looking dangerous. random thoughts - 26/12/2012 06:12:14 PM 933 Views
Re: the NRA shows it is an asylum overrun by lunatics Novo - 22/12/2012 06:36:32 PM 1110 Views
I believe it is fairly common in junior and high schools today, but not elementary schools. Joel - 22/12/2012 07:12:32 PM 857 Views
This entire post is completely irrelevant. Tom - 22/12/2012 07:27:45 PM 954 Views
Those who want univeral prohibition/access are equally fringe minorities. Joel - 22/12/2012 08:18:00 PM 902 Views
there is no Left or Right on this issue, there is only Sane and Insane moondog - 23/12/2012 12:59:08 AM 966 Views
also: it's insulting to tell parents their kids would be alive if only more guns were around moondog - 23/12/2012 01:30:53 AM 872 Views
People die from all sort of causes Dark Knight - 22/12/2012 07:27:53 PM 920 Views
Cars require training, certification and licensing, too; why should guns not? Joel - 22/12/2012 08:25:43 PM 1039 Views
Do bombs require certification? Dark Knight - 22/12/2012 09:21:25 PM 1151 Views
No, they are pretty much illegal for the general public under all conditions. Joel - 22/12/2012 09:35:35 PM 821 Views
i say this with all due respect -- eat a bag of dicks moondog - 23/12/2012 01:04:08 AM 923 Views
That was pretty damn respectful under the circumstances. Stephen - 23/12/2012 01:10:04 AM 875 Views
The lack of intellect displayed here is to be expected Dark Knight - 23/12/2012 04:01:32 AM 909 Views
so according to you we should just make life illegal since everyone is going to die from something.. moondog - 23/12/2012 07:25:05 AM 837 Views
Obviously you didn't put pay attention Dark Knight - 23/12/2012 01:40:17 PM 866 Views
no, you said "fuck it because people die anyway". there is a big difference moondog - 23/12/2012 02:46:46 PM 814 Views
As usual, you are wrong on so many fronts... HyogaRott - 27/12/2012 10:39:04 PM 1129 Views
Dicks and stones Dark Knight - 23/12/2012 03:54:25 AM 1065 Views
FYI - I gave moondog a 30-day time-out via the ignore function. Anonymous2000 - 23/12/2012 05:48:13 AM 781 Views
FYI -- you didn't post to this board for 30+ days moondog - 23/12/2012 07:21:44 AM 810 Views
cars and guns kill roughly the same number of people every year -- around 30,000 give or take moondog - 23/12/2012 01:02:44 AM 883 Views
But over half of gun deaths are suicide.....so cars are much more dangerous to society. *NM* Anonymous2000 - 23/12/2012 05:35:45 AM 377 Views
Every year is iffy there, it dropped off the last two, was 40k-50k plus for cars since 1962 Isaac - 23/12/2012 11:55:50 AM 853 Views
except that cars are legislated to be safer every year, guns aren't. moondog - 23/12/2012 03:01:36 PM 896 Views
Guns are for killing, cars are for transport, cars aren't any safer now against use for homicide Isaac - 23/12/2012 08:22:13 PM 837 Views
but if we are trying to minimize the number of deaths, then more MUST be done for gun laws moondog - 24/12/2012 03:33:31 AM 806 Views
More must be done to minimize, not necessarily with greater regulation Isaac - 24/12/2012 04:27:04 AM 939 Views
Re: More must be done to minimize, not necessarily with greater regulation moondog - 25/12/2012 04:49:54 PM 873 Views
Re: More must be done to minimize, not necessarily with greater regulation Isaac - 25/12/2012 08:41:53 PM 860 Views
Double *NM* Isaac - 23/12/2012 11:55:50 AM 436 Views
Hat trick, never got that before *NM* Isaac - 23/12/2012 11:56:08 AM 406 Views
Here is some interesting data.....knives are as dangerous as "non-handguns" Anonymous2000 - 23/12/2012 05:45:08 AM 929 Views
I hope you don't mind me taking this opportunity to plug my new book, "How to Cook with Guns" *NM* Burr - 23/12/2012 03:04:06 PM 477 Views
there was a school mass stabbing in china the same day as sandy hook moondog - 23/12/2012 03:18:00 PM 873 Views
I am equally happy that the criminal was incompetant, but that does not diminish their lethality HyogaRott - 27/12/2012 10:45:33 PM 955 Views
I'm not sure it's about guns. Orange - 23/12/2012 06:08:50 PM 853 Views
IMO it is about the media attention focuised on the perpetrator. Their name becomes history. *NM* HyogaRott - 27/12/2012 10:47:15 PM 440 Views
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