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I find the absolutist ant/pro-gun positions equally dangerous and absurd. Joel Send a noteboard - 26/12/2012 04:20:37 PM
which would, by the logic of gun proponents, protect her from getting killed.

Instead she got shot by them.

If the argument for owning guns is for self protection, why isn't anyone pointing out that Nancy had 5 guns to protect herself with and got shot with them instead?

She could not have stopped him with an ICBM; he could have killed her with a pillow. That sleeping people are incapable of self-defense does not invalidate it.

I think most Americans do, but the small vocal minority of extremists on both sides deny the rest of us the responsible reasonable gun control we need and want. I cannot say, "no one wants to let everyone legally buy any gun they can afford, no questions asked," because a small radical fringe demands EXACTLY that. I cannot say, "no one wants to ban/confiscate all guns," because a small radical fringe demands EXACTLY that. They are not rebutting, but VALIDATING, each other; neither would have any public credibility if the other would SHUT UP for five seconds and stop making their opponents alarmist fears so plausible.

I do not know a single rational person who thinks anyone with a felony record, mental illness or no idea how to even LOAD a gun should have one. Yet the law cannot SAY that, because the radical fringes dominate the gun control discussion, debating whether to ban all guns or let anyone who wants any gun buy it, even if still wearing their prison uniform and/or a straitjacket. The vast majority of America does not support either option, but those are the only ones we are presented, so here we are.
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When guns are a big national issue, how do reporters & pundits not know facts about them? - 21/12/2012 05:33:14 PM 1677 Views
You don't hunt by walking into a classroom and shooting 20 deer - 21/12/2012 05:56:16 PM 1099 Views
You're actually not right on that one - 21/12/2012 07:49:53 PM 1034 Views
That wasn't the point I was making - 21/12/2012 09:49:40 PM 963 Views
You should probably clarify it then - 21/12/2012 10:47:26 PM 1130 Views
His post was perfectly clear. Yours seemed like a response to an entirely different post. - 21/12/2012 10:53:39 PM 1292 Views
Explain that remark, it is not obvious to me *NM* - 21/12/2012 11:00:10 PM 574 Views
I think - 21/12/2012 11:13:34 PM 960 Views
Thats' easy, there is simply no such thing as a 'hunting rifle' - 21/12/2012 11:17:41 PM 975 Views
I'd say the expert gunsmith - 21/12/2012 11:28:02 PM 1031 Views
I thought I was being perfectly clear. - 21/12/2012 10:57:35 PM 986 Views
Re: I thought I was being perfectly clear. - 21/12/2012 11:25:04 PM 1039 Views
Oh I wasn't commenting on the standard of people here - 21/12/2012 11:29:36 PM 973 Views
you're largely correct, which is why we need stronger laws on ownership not guns per se - 21/12/2012 09:39:14 PM 942 Views
I can't think of a better reason than self defense - 21/12/2012 10:33:26 PM 1014 Views
He is right about Australia - 21/12/2012 10:46:27 PM 972 Views
No kidding - 21/12/2012 10:59:28 PM 978 Views
If you knew all that - 21/12/2012 11:02:38 PM 1016 Views
I think you are on the right track, but to the wrong destination; "lethal weapon" is redundant. - 21/12/2012 11:05:29 PM 965 Views
My read is that the 2nd Amendment not only allows, but mandates, cop-killer bullets. - 22/12/2012 12:45:04 AM 1027 Views
Does the Second Amendment protect the rights of felons and the mentally incompetent to have guns? - 22/12/2012 02:35:16 AM 1195 Views
Yes the media is using terms incorrectly but the point still stands. - 22/12/2012 03:02:18 AM 909 Views
Re: Yes the media is using terms incorrectly but the point still stands. - 22/12/2012 04:12:30 AM 961 Views
umm... - 22/12/2012 12:41:31 PM 863 Views
1997 North Hollywood Shootout - 22/12/2012 04:07:39 AM 1050 Views
Laws against murder failed to prevent that, too; clearly they are ineffective and should be repealed - 22/12/2012 06:02:24 AM 1103 Views
Such laws were never intended for prevention, they define actions that will be punished. *NM* - 23/12/2012 12:57:57 PM 609 Views
So do laws against getting a gun without screening, training and certification. - 23/12/2012 02:01:32 PM 918 Views
Then CHANGE the Constitution, don't ignore it. *NM* - 26/12/2012 03:12:11 PM 527 Views
I am not suggesting either changing or ignoring the Constitution. - 26/12/2012 04:01:02 PM 1028 Views
Yes you are. - 26/12/2012 08:06:01 PM 854 Views
Learn logic, and stop needlessly trying to teach me grammar. - 26/12/2012 08:55:25 PM 1000 Views
Lear to read, and I won't have to - 27/12/2012 04:28:59 PM 1039 Views
You are wrong. - 22/12/2012 12:14:40 PM 994 Views
That explains much; I read somewhere Brits are averse to it. - 22/12/2012 01:17:15 PM 951 Views
We're also averse to being wrong. - 22/12/2012 02:53:49 PM 999 Views
So you say... - 22/12/2012 03:32:16 PM 922 Views
guns r stpid *NM* - 23/12/2012 12:39:30 AM 691 Views
What bemuses me about this thing with Adam Lanza, is that his mother had 5 registered guns - 23/12/2012 07:10:26 AM 988 Views
She was asleep with him in the house. - 23/12/2012 02:24:47 PM 1011 Views
LOOK, look, there is another one... - 26/12/2012 03:13:45 PM 929 Views
I find the absolutist ant/pro-gun positions equally dangerous and absurd. - 26/12/2012 04:20:37 PM 930 Views
So we should just *kinda* ignore the Constitution *this* time... But what about NEXT time... - 26/12/2012 08:08:12 PM 907 Views
No, we should enact gun regulation the Constitution explicitly empowers. - 26/12/2012 09:02:12 PM 910 Views
Which would be... NONE. *NM* - 27/12/2012 04:31:53 PM 570 Views
"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state...." - 28/12/2012 05:14:49 PM 907 Views
*see previous grammar lesson* *NM* - 28/12/2012 10:31:43 PM 533 Views
The instant it becomes relevant, I shall. - 28/12/2012 11:45:01 PM 1109 Views
Your point being? - 27/12/2012 10:47:29 AM 909 Views
Facts are irrelevant when FUD is the order of the day. - 24/12/2012 04:34:18 PM 901 Views
It irritates me too. *NM* - 01/01/2013 01:55:05 PM 563 Views

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