Care to prove that negative? The burden to do so is on you as the person who made the assertion.
Joel Send a noteboard - 26/12/2012 06:47:07 PM
Anyway, it is not "more guns makes us safer," because police are already armed; it is just a matter of saying school shootings justify putting some there.
If the suggestion has merit, wtf cares whence it came? But more importantly, when they propose something reasonable and you automatically attack it because of the source, it is YOU, not they, who sound like you are shilling for a personal agenda. Either the idea has merit or not (obviously I think it does) and that is the basis on which it should be addressed. Attacking it simply because it is the NRAs is a classic ad hominem beneath you.
if mother theresa says we need more guns to make us safer from homicidal lunatics with a small arsenal, maybe it would be a more serious response to such a tragedy. the NRA continues to insist that more and more people should have a gun, when the examples of australia, canada and scotland have shown that having limited access to guns actually works at preventing massacres. putting the twist on the suggestion that these new guns will be held by trained individuals does not change the fact that it is still "let's get even still more guns into peoples' hands". this is the only thing the NRA can suggest every time someone is killed in a public shooting spree, that we somehow could have prevented it if only there were more guns available to everyone. if the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results, at some point the insanity must be recognized if we are going to get beyond the increasingly regular mass shootings.
That is the thing though: They are not suggesting giving guns to anyone who does not already have both a gun and training to use it. Cops, retired cops and military reservists? That is not "more guns," but the SAME NUMBER of guns born by the SAME NUMBER of trained users. The only change is WHERE they are.
If the suggestion has merit, wtf cares whence it came? But more importantly, when they propose something reasonable and you automatically attack it because of the source, it is YOU, not they, who sound like you are shilling for a personal agenda. Either the idea has merit or not (obviously I think it does) and that is the basis on which it should be addressed. Attacking it simply because it is the NRAs is a classic ad hominem beneath you.
if mother theresa says we need more guns to make us safer from homicidal lunatics with a small arsenal, maybe it would be a more serious response to such a tragedy. the NRA continues to insist that more and more people should have a gun, when the examples of australia, canada and scotland have shown that having limited access to guns actually works at preventing massacres. putting the twist on the suggestion that these new guns will be held by trained individuals does not change the fact that it is still "let's get even still more guns into peoples' hands". this is the only thing the NRA can suggest every time someone is killed in a public shooting spree, that we somehow could have prevented it if only there were more guns available to everyone. if the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results, at some point the insanity must be recognized if we are going to get beyond the increasingly regular mass shootings.
That is the thing though: They are not suggesting giving guns to anyone who does not already have both a gun and training to use it. Cops, retired cops and military reservists? That is not "more guns," but the SAME NUMBER of guns born by the SAME NUMBER of trained users. The only change is WHERE they are.
Honorbound and honored to be Bonded to Mahtaliel Sedai
Last First in wotmania Chat
Slightly better than chocolate.
Love still can't be coerced.
Please Don't Eat the Newbies!
LoL. Be well, RAFOlk.
Last First in wotmania Chat
Slightly better than chocolate.
Love still can't be coerced.
Please Don't Eat the Newbies!

LoL. Be well, RAFOlk.
the NRA shows it is an asylum overrun by lunatics
- 22/12/2012 04:40:26 PM
1372 Views
I do not see why calling for armed cops at schools is an unreasonable response.
- 22/12/2012 04:53:06 PM
895 Views
I can think of two reasons off the top of my head
- 22/12/2012 05:38:19 PM
906 Views
If the schools that the children of our elected representatives attend are gaurded, so should mine.
- 26/12/2012 03:00:35 PM
689 Views
If someone is shooting at you having a gun to shoot back seems like a good idea
- 26/12/2012 06:10:07 PM
729 Views
The effectiveness issue aside
- 22/12/2012 06:13:30 PM
777 Views
Re: The effectiveness issue aside
- 22/12/2012 06:59:36 PM
871 Views
If you think it would solve the debate then probably
- 22/12/2012 07:09:42 PM
831 Views
Nothing will ever truly end the debate, but we can greatly reduce or end its justification.
- 22/12/2012 08:03:39 PM
797 Views
If it's shown to work
- 23/12/2012 12:25:38 AM
877 Views
Of the many school shootings in recent years, I am aware of none where armed cops were present.
- 23/12/2012 12:47:32 AM
803 Views
columbine had two armed guards on the day of the shooting. they were both immediately fired upon...
- 23/12/2012 12:49:30 AM
757 Views
I have never seen any mention of them among the injured or dead (or at all.)
- 23/12/2012 01:09:38 AM
907 Views
you should try harder
- 23/12/2012 01:15:34 AM
941 Views
"a motorcycle patrolman who was near the school writing a speeding ticket" is not stationed there.
- 23/12/2012 01:34:50 AM
868 Views
he still didn't stop the shooting, whether he was there before or after it started
- 23/12/2012 01:49:24 AM
883 Views
No kidding; how could he stop the shooting before it started if he was not there?
- 23/12/2012 02:16:59 AM
730 Views
A fuller account of Gardner
- 23/12/2012 10:27:24 AM
973 Views
Nice link.
- 23/12/2012 02:27:30 PM
746 Views
Re: Nice link.
- 23/12/2012 03:15:24 PM
740 Views
Inexplicably, Ft. Hood was a gun free zone (guess no one told the shooter.)
- 26/12/2012 06:12:42 PM
756 Views
Re: Nice link.
- 23/12/2012 04:21:27 PM
744 Views
Gardner:If you’re going to put a police officer in a school, make sure his focus stays on the school
- 26/12/2012 06:40:41 PM
796 Views
The children are what matter, not the school. Surely this isn't something you disagree on?
- 29/12/2012 02:15:12 PM
822 Views
As usual Moondog, you are missing a BUNCH of facts on this one (links inside)
- 26/12/2012 07:51:29 PM
867 Views
at last count, over 99,000 schools in the US
- 23/12/2012 12:45:30 AM
827 Views
What is public safety worth to you?
- 23/12/2012 12:54:04 AM
745 Views
it's not entirely a matter of cost, although that factors into it.
- 23/12/2012 01:01:50 AM
678 Views
There are many cases where armed cops ended mass shootings.
- 23/12/2012 01:28:25 AM
677 Views
there are none where an armed guard placed there *before* the shooting had any effect
- 23/12/2012 01:36:42 AM
826 Views
Kind of a Catch-22; if they PREVENT shootings, shootings can only occur in their absence.
- 23/12/2012 01:52:03 AM
870 Views
ok, here is my last word on the subject
- 23/12/2012 02:06:49 AM
800 Views
9 people injured vs. 20 people dead.
- 23/12/2012 02:34:00 AM
729 Views
it is still "more guns makes us safer" which has yet to prevent a single massacre in this country
- 23/12/2012 02:41:56 PM
836 Views
Peter Odighizuwa comes to mind, that's also horrible logic
- 23/12/2012 08:27:46 PM
729 Views
Care to prove that negative? The burden to do so is on you as the person who made the assertion.
- 26/12/2012 06:47:07 PM
721 Views
It doesn't have to be a full time gaurd standing looking dangerous.
- 26/12/2012 06:12:14 PM
827 Views
Re: the NRA shows it is an asylum overrun by lunatics
- 22/12/2012 06:36:32 PM
989 Views
I believe it is fairly common in junior and high schools today, but not elementary schools.
- 22/12/2012 07:12:32 PM
743 Views
This entire post is completely irrelevant.
- 22/12/2012 07:27:45 PM
862 Views
Those who want univeral prohibition/access are equally fringe minorities.
- 22/12/2012 08:18:00 PM
802 Views
there is no Left or Right on this issue, there is only Sane and Insane
- 23/12/2012 12:59:08 AM
835 Views
also: it's insulting to tell parents their kids would be alive if only more guns were around
- 23/12/2012 01:30:53 AM
767 Views
People die from all sort of causes
- 22/12/2012 07:27:53 PM
801 Views
Cars require training, certification and licensing, too; why should guns not?
- 22/12/2012 08:25:43 PM
938 Views
Do bombs require certification?
- 22/12/2012 09:21:25 PM
1042 Views
No, they are pretty much illegal for the general public under all conditions.
- 22/12/2012 09:35:35 PM
709 Views
i say this with all due respect -- eat a bag of dicks
- 23/12/2012 01:04:08 AM
820 Views
That was pretty damn respectful under the circumstances.
- 23/12/2012 01:10:04 AM
775 Views
The lack of intellect displayed here is to be expected
- 23/12/2012 04:01:32 AM
796 Views
so according to you we should just make life illegal since everyone is going to die from something..
- 23/12/2012 07:25:05 AM
718 Views
Obviously you didn't put pay attention
- 23/12/2012 01:40:17 PM
755 Views
no, you said "fuck it because people die anyway". there is a big difference
- 23/12/2012 02:46:46 PM
704 Views
Dicks and stones
- 23/12/2012 03:54:25 AM
942 Views
cars and guns kill roughly the same number of people every year -- around 30,000 give or take
- 23/12/2012 01:02:44 AM
761 Views
But over half of gun deaths are suicide.....so cars are much more dangerous to society. *NM*
- 23/12/2012 05:35:45 AM
334 Views
Every year is iffy there, it dropped off the last two, was 40k-50k plus for cars since 1962
- 23/12/2012 11:55:50 AM
719 Views
except that cars are legislated to be safer every year, guns aren't.
- 23/12/2012 03:01:36 PM
783 Views
Guns are for killing, cars are for transport, cars aren't any safer now against use for homicide
- 23/12/2012 08:22:13 PM
733 Views
but if we are trying to minimize the number of deaths, then more MUST be done for gun laws
- 24/12/2012 03:33:31 AM
707 Views
More must be done to minimize, not necessarily with greater regulation
- 24/12/2012 04:27:04 AM
811 Views
Re: More must be done to minimize, not necessarily with greater regulation
- 25/12/2012 04:49:54 PM
770 Views
Re: More must be done to minimize, not necessarily with greater regulation
- 25/12/2012 08:41:53 PM
757 Views
Here is some interesting data.....knives are as dangerous as "non-handguns"
- 23/12/2012 05:45:08 AM
829 Views
I hope you don't mind me taking this opportunity to plug my new book, "How to Cook with Guns" *NM*
- 23/12/2012 03:04:06 PM
427 Views
there was a school mass stabbing in china the same day as sandy hook
- 23/12/2012 03:18:00 PM
763 Views
I am equally happy that the criminal was incompetant, but that does not diminish their lethality
- 27/12/2012 10:45:33 PM
828 Views
I'm not sure it's about guns.
- 23/12/2012 06:08:50 PM
744 Views
IMO it is about the media attention focuised on the perpetrator. Their name becomes history. *NM*
- 27/12/2012 10:47:15 PM
386 Views
