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As usual Moondog, you are missing a BUNCH of facts on this one (links inside) HyogaRott Send a noteboard - 26/12/2012 07:51:29 PM
...once they revealed themselves to the shooters. several students were still shot dead even after these guards engaged the shooters, and the guards did not stop the shooting in any way whatsoever. and as you point out, this was well before we militarized -- er, placed armed police in front of -- our school buildings as a rule rather than an exception. having a guard is not going to change anything other than potentially add another casualty to the next school shooting.


The armed guard did not stop it cold, but he GREATLY reduced the casualties even though when the attack began he was on his lunch hour, on the opposite side of the school, and followed the "wait for back-up" procedures that have since been abandoned as less effective than the current immediate assault doctrine.

http://www.examiner.com/article/fact-check-columbine-high-s-armed-guard-saved-student-lives?cid=rss

http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/122412-638251-armed-school-guard-at-columbine-saved-lives.htm

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/columbine-armed-guards-schools-students-safe-article-1.1225796
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the NRA shows it is an asylum overrun by lunatics - 22/12/2012 04:40:26 PM 1201 Views
I do not see why calling for armed cops at schools is an unreasonable response. - 22/12/2012 04:53:06 PM 720 Views
I can think of two reasons off the top of my head - 22/12/2012 05:38:19 PM 752 Views
OK... - 22/12/2012 06:58:42 PM 719 Views
If someone is shooting at you having a gun to shoot back seems like a good idea - 26/12/2012 06:10:07 PM 568 Views
The effectiveness issue aside - 22/12/2012 06:13:30 PM 618 Views
Re: The effectiveness issue aside - 22/12/2012 06:59:36 PM 708 Views
If you think it would solve the debate then probably - 22/12/2012 07:09:42 PM 665 Views
Nothing will ever truly end the debate, but we can greatly reduce or end its justification. - 22/12/2012 08:03:39 PM 628 Views
If it's shown to work - 23/12/2012 12:25:38 AM 710 Views
columbine had two armed guards on the day of the shooting. they were both immediately fired upon... - 23/12/2012 12:49:30 AM 604 Views
I have never seen any mention of them among the injured or dead (or at all.) - 23/12/2012 01:09:38 AM 749 Views
A fuller account of Gardner - 23/12/2012 10:27:24 AM 809 Views
Nice link. - 23/12/2012 02:27:30 PM 603 Views
Re: Nice link. - 23/12/2012 03:15:24 PM 581 Views
As usual Moondog, you are missing a BUNCH of facts on this one (links inside) - 26/12/2012 07:51:29 PM 710 Views
at last count, over 99,000 schools in the US - 23/12/2012 12:45:30 AM 662 Views
What is public safety worth to you? - 23/12/2012 12:54:04 AM 582 Views
it's not entirely a matter of cost, although that factors into it. - 23/12/2012 01:01:50 AM 518 Views
There are many cases where armed cops ended mass shootings. - 23/12/2012 01:28:25 AM 525 Views
there are none where an armed guard placed there *before* the shooting had any effect - 23/12/2012 01:36:42 AM 652 Views
Kind of a Catch-22; if they PREVENT shootings, shootings can only occur in their absence. - 23/12/2012 01:52:03 AM 715 Views
ok, here is my last word on the subject - 23/12/2012 02:06:49 AM 638 Views
9 people injured vs. 20 people dead. - 23/12/2012 02:34:00 AM 569 Views
it is still "more guns makes us safer" which has yet to prevent a single massacre in this country - 23/12/2012 02:41:56 PM 691 Views
Peter Odighizuwa comes to mind, that's also horrible logic - 23/12/2012 08:27:46 PM 578 Views
[citation needed] - 25/12/2012 04:54:14 PM 575 Views
Fair enough - 25/12/2012 09:06:43 PM 930 Views
It doesn't have to be a full time gaurd standing looking dangerous. - 26/12/2012 06:12:14 PM 671 Views
People die from all sort of causes - 22/12/2012 07:27:53 PM 638 Views
Cars require training, certification and licensing, too; why should guns not? - 22/12/2012 08:25:43 PM 775 Views
Do bombs require certification? - 22/12/2012 09:21:25 PM 863 Views
i say this with all due respect -- eat a bag of dicks - 23/12/2012 01:04:08 AM 659 Views
That was pretty damn respectful under the circumstances. - 23/12/2012 01:10:04 AM 620 Views
The lack of intellect displayed here is to be expected - 23/12/2012 04:01:32 AM 627 Views
so according to you we should just make life illegal since everyone is going to die from something.. - 23/12/2012 07:25:05 AM 555 Views
Obviously you didn't put pay attention - 23/12/2012 01:40:17 PM 585 Views
no, you said "fuck it because people die anyway". there is a big difference - 23/12/2012 02:46:46 PM 574 Views
As usual, you are wrong on so many fronts... - 27/12/2012 10:39:04 PM 887 Views
Dicks and stones - 23/12/2012 03:54:25 AM 765 Views
FYI - I gave moondog a 30-day time-out via the ignore function. - 23/12/2012 05:48:13 AM 510 Views
FYI -- you didn't post to this board for 30+ days - 23/12/2012 07:21:44 AM 515 Views
I'm not sure it's about guns. - 23/12/2012 06:08:50 PM 588 Views

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