This is a slightly less practical and more philosophical point, but I think it's important to consider. No one will ever argue that it would have been somehow bad or immoral to shoot and kill a guy murdering a classroom of kindergarteners. But, like the article says, the chance of such a clear-cut, black and white scenario involving guns happening to you is pretty unlikely. Instead, you have a lot of slightly more murky situations: you are being robbed, or raped, or just kind of threatened, or whatever, and you pull a gun and fire on your assailant and hopefully they die.
The author of the article explains that "When I said “stop an attacker quickly” somebody on Twitter thought that he’d gotten me and said “Stop. That’s just a euphemism for kill!” Nope. I am perfectly happy if the attacker surrenders or passes out from blood loss too. Tactically and legally, all I care about is making them stop doing whatever it is that they are doing which caused me to shoot them to begin with."
But, really? Guns aren't meant to disable, injure, or stun opponents, they're meant to kill them. I can't really condemn the use of guns for self-defense, but I can't whole-heartedly support it either. The penalty for small-time robbery or even physical assault isn't death, and it probably shouldn't be. By putting guns into the hands of regular, every day civilians you're not only betting that they will be stand-up guys who will only use their weapons appropriately in situations of duress, but also essentially giving them license and immunity to take other peoples' lives. Yes, bad guys can and do take other peoples' lives and that is wrong. But is it a good thing to have the right to quickly and easily kill anyone committing any sort of crime against you?
The author of the article explains that "When I said “stop an attacker quickly” somebody on Twitter thought that he’d gotten me and said “Stop. That’s just a euphemism for kill!” Nope. I am perfectly happy if the attacker surrenders or passes out from blood loss too. Tactically and legally, all I care about is making them stop doing whatever it is that they are doing which caused me to shoot them to begin with."
But, really? Guns aren't meant to disable, injure, or stun opponents, they're meant to kill them. I can't really condemn the use of guns for self-defense, but I can't whole-heartedly support it either. The penalty for small-time robbery or even physical assault isn't death, and it probably shouldn't be. By putting guns into the hands of regular, every day civilians you're not only betting that they will be stand-up guys who will only use their weapons appropriately in situations of duress, but also essentially giving them license and immunity to take other peoples' lives. Yes, bad guys can and do take other peoples' lives and that is wrong. But is it a good thing to have the right to quickly and easily kill anyone committing any sort of crime against you?
Poll: 54 percent view NRA favorably
- 28/12/2012 04:23:35 AM
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Hahahaha. That is full of shit. OMG. Thanks for the laughs. *NM*
- 28/12/2012 06:30:08 AM
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I have this to say about that...
- 28/12/2012 07:10:52 AM
981 Views
That was rather long but probably one of the best things I've read this year
- 28/12/2012 02:31:24 PM
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Excellent article by a knowledgable individual armed with facts. *NM*
- 28/12/2012 04:36:23 PM
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See my response to Novo.
- 28/12/2012 06:28:00 PM
827 Views
please cite the errors, manipulations, or lies.
- 28/12/2012 09:30:28 PM
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I cited two in response to her, and those were just the ones I remember off the top of my head.
- 28/12/2012 11:07:36 PM
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If you can't remember them, then don't claim them *NM*
- 29/12/2012 03:08:08 AM
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Two just from memory is enough to substantiate my claim.
- 29/12/2012 03:35:49 AM
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'Substantiate your claim'? I don't think you're lying, I just don't feel any reason to be swayed...
- 29/12/2012 04:00:10 AM
696 Views
The 2 things you attempted to "cite" were absolute nonsense and proved nothing.
- 31/12/2012 06:00:00 PM
777 Views
Re: I have this to say about that...
- 28/12/2012 05:23:44 PM
922 Views
Never point a gun at anything you are not going to shoot, nor shoot anything you do not mean to kill
- 28/12/2012 06:13:20 PM
807 Views
Still losing the gun debate and it's driving you a little crazy isn't it!
- 28/12/2012 06:40:51 PM
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- 28/12/2012 06:40:51 PM
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Gallup: 58% want more gun control; Ipsos: 70% want more gun control, 90% want background checks.
- 28/12/2012 10:29:50 PM
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..and 100% want to win the lottery, but it isn't going to happen.
- 05/01/2013 02:17:50 PM
886 Views
Re: I have this to say about that...Actually, modern military weapons are constructed to wound
- 29/12/2012 08:43:49 PM
912 Views
Yeah, uh, no. Not until you do some serious background checks on teachers.
- 29/12/2012 01:00:20 AM
851 Views
GOP estimates of teacher competence have increased to the point of giving them concealed guns.
- 29/12/2012 02:36:08 AM
929 Views
You know the GOP is unlikely to object to background check on teachers, the unions might
- 29/12/2012 02:56:06 AM
789 Views
his premise is "there's already too many guns so why bother trying anything at all now"
- 07/01/2013 06:27:20 PM
803 Views
I don't think that's his sole premise but it's also quite true
- 07/01/2013 07:05:20 PM
836 Views
i think you're missing a piece of the puzzle
- 07/01/2013 07:23:02 PM
777 Views
I'm not missing it, I just don't think it's wise or especially moral
- 07/01/2013 09:36:05 PM
822 Views
moral has nothing to do with it, imho
- 07/01/2013 11:26:00 PM
875 Views
Data is data my friend. Please feel free to present your own data if you would like. *NM*
- 28/12/2012 05:49:09 PM
382 Views
Is that the same Gallup that said 54% of America would vote Romney?
- 28/12/2012 06:15:43 PM
897 Views
- 28/12/2012 06:15:43 PM
897 Views
Once again data is data.....feel free to cite other polling data. *NM*
- 28/12/2012 06:38:29 PM
368 Views
The goddamn frigging election. *NM*
- 28/12/2012 07:13:04 PM
377 Views
Oh, was the NRA running for something? Good grief, was a ridiculous reach. *NM*
- 28/12/2012 08:07:56 PM
382 Views
No, but it shows Gallup polls are horseshit. *NM*
- 28/12/2012 08:48:12 PM
369 Views
No it doesn't, it only shows that Romney was more awful of a candidate than Obama was. *NM*
- 28/12/2012 09:14:00 PM
393 Views
Not according to Gallup, just most US voters; Gallup DOES say 58% of the US wants more gun control.
- 28/12/2012 10:22:19 PM
974 Views
Yes. Most of us aren't against guns per se; we're against the inane concepts of gun "shows"
- 29/12/2012 01:06:50 AM
709 Views
Exactly, crazy libs like Joel want to get rid of all guns, but normal Americans.....
- 29/12/2012 01:36:00 AM
754 Views
Too bad the radical fringe on both sides drowns us both out so well.
- 29/12/2012 02:25:31 AM
863 Views
Previous polling failures by Gallup are evidence for the claim that Gallup polls are flawed.
- 29/12/2012 01:05:08 AM
873 Views
Gallup was Romney +1 with +/- 4% on Election Day.....turned out Obama +3.
- 29/12/2012 01:33:45 AM
702 Views
So what I don't understand about this whole teachers with gun thing
- 30/12/2012 12:42:05 AM
857 Views
It would strictly be voluntary
- 30/12/2012 03:02:18 AM
821 Views
You seriously don't think a linebacker can take a gun off a 5' teacher?He can just punch her.
- 30/12/2012 09:45:05 AM
807 Views
He can already punch her, not all schools are high schools and that's not the norm for spree killers
- 30/12/2012 03:05:55 PM
888 Views
Leveling that playing field is much of the point of guns.
- 05/01/2013 05:43:47 PM
846 Views
You aren't familiar with guns if you think that a large male can't disarm a woman who has one.
- 07/01/2013 10:14:21 AM
816 Views
Well Paul Ali Slater didn't, disarming is risky, and he seems familiar enough with them to me *NM*
- 07/01/2013 01:25:28 PM
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