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There's a lot of misinformation flying around here. Werthead Send a noteboard - 29/09/2009 11:22:29 PM
Answers to some of the incorrect information flying around this thread:

1. He didn't know she was 13.

Yes, he did. Polanski asked the girl's mother if he could shoot pictures of her for Vogue. There were two photo sessions (the attack took place at the second one). Polanski did not randomly bump into her. He knew her and her family, met her mother on several occasions, gained her legal consent for the photo shoot (which would involve full disclosure of her age) and he well knew how old she was.

EDIT: Thanks to Legolas's link:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-477609/The-dark-secrets-Roman-Polanksi.html

We also know that the Vogue photo-shoot was specifically going to be of young girls in the victim's age range.

2. He was never proven guilty.

Yes, he was. He did not flee the United States before the trial, he fled it after admitting his guilt.

3. It wasn't rape.

Yes, it was. Sex with a minor does not use the word 'rape' in its title, but since a minor cannot give legal consent to sexual intercourse, it is rape. The difference is a legally semantic one.

In addition, whilst Polanski's legal team has only ever focused on sentencing regarding the charge he admitted guilt to, the Los Angeles County Court has ruled that ALL of the original charges, including the drugging and indeed the possible use of the 'statutory rape' charge could be back on the table should he return to the United States:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/06/movies/06polanski.html?pagewanted=2&_r=2&sq=polanski%20dalton&st=cse&scp=4

4. He's hasn't repeated the offence again in the past 32 years.

Yes, he has. He began a relationship with actress Nastassja Kinski when she was 15 years old. This is (just) the legal age of consent in France, but is not the age of consent in the USA or UK. His prediliction for young girls remained intact after the incident, showing that the experience did not rehabilitate him.

EDIT: Thanks to Legolas, I realised this incident happened in 1976, a year before the original case took place. There is no evidence that Polanski has re-offended on this score since the original incident, merely that when it took place it was not the first time it happened.

5. The victim doesn't want the matter pursued.

The victim did want the matter pursued quite vigorously until she settled a civil case with Polanski a few years ago where she was paid money to drop the matter. Now she wants the matter dropped which, whilst a point certainly worth invoking, is ultimately overriden by Polanski's flight from justice and also the debt he owes to society. Part of the punishment for a crime is ensuring that others are inspired not to commit the same crime. The high profile nature of this case has given rise to the belief that it is possible to commit a crime in the United States and then flee to France where you will not be extradited back to the USA. Also, given that the overwhelming majority of rape cases are still not reported, showing that the perpetrator of such a crime can still be brought to justice 30 years on is a powerful display of the law working as intended.

In short, the victim doesn't want the matter pursued as she has been paid off. Good for her, but that isn't the only issue involved here.

Clarification: The victim began civil proceedings against Polanski through the French court system in 1990. She pursued the case for seven years until they reached an out-of-court settlement in 1997, where she was given $140,000 (source: Legolas' link to the Daily Mail story). Immediately after the settlement was reached, she publicly forgave Polanski, whilst still maintaining he had 'drugged and raped her as a starstruck kid'. It is possible that this declaration was part of the terms of the settlement, although this is not confirmed.

6. The judge was planning to shaft him.

Possibly true. In fact, the judge was later taken off the case because of concerns over his competence. However, there are many legal recourses that could have been taken against the judge if he indeed reneged on the plea bargain. Since thousands of cases in California alone are dependant on plea-bargaining being permitted to get any kind of verdict, dishonouring one would have been a horrendous precedent to set. It is also unclear if the judge actually was going to do this, or was blowing off steam in a private conversation after being shown pictures of Polanski partying in Europe before sentencing.

I think that about covers it: he knew how old she was, he admitted that he did it, it was not the first time he had done it and the original victim was paid off not to pursue the matter any further, which has zero bearing on the legal side of things.
This message last edited by Werthead on 30/09/2009 at 04:14:52 PM
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/History/Politics/I'm not sure: A commentary on the Roman Polanski arrest - 29/09/2009 10:15:12 AM 1357 Views
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Or the triple post! *NM* - 29/09/2009 06:18:13 PM 305 Views
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and i'm saying that if it was under contest - 29/09/2009 07:38:24 PM 512 Views
Do you understand how the legal system works in Common Law? - 29/09/2009 07:53:34 PM 521 Views
*shake head* wahtever - 29/09/2009 08:07:25 PM 477 Views
here is a photo of her taken that same year. - 29/09/2009 08:10:21 PM 578 Views
Seen that one as part of my research on this - 29/09/2009 08:22:33 PM 589 Views
I think it very telling that you want to take this line of when Polanski doesn't - 29/09/2009 08:36:47 PM 443 Views
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There is one thing I would like to say. - 29/09/2009 09:03:06 PM 404 Views
Absolutely unacceptable behavior for an administrator, Avendesora. - 30/09/2009 10:44:32 PM 494 Views
Looks like an accidental edit instead of a reply to me. *NM* - 01/10/2009 01:42:33 PM 288 Views
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You really don't get it do you? - 01/10/2009 04:20:36 PM 326 Views
I don't get it?????? - 01/10/2009 05:22:51 PM 398 Views
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I call Bullshit here. Sorry Greg. - 29/09/2009 05:28:21 PM 523 Views
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Sometimes you do, sometimes you don't. - 05/10/2009 07:46:18 PM 360 Views
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I've been following this with some interest - 29/09/2009 03:28:36 PM 375 Views
That was my impression as well. - 29/09/2009 03:38:48 PM 354 Views
Re: That was my impression as well. - 29/09/2009 03:43:36 PM 356 Views
Re: That was my impression as well. - 29/09/2009 03:45:17 PM 350 Views
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*agree* *NM* - 29/09/2009 04:20:32 PM 264 Views
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first you demand fact before judgement then you make a judgement on your opinion? - 29/09/2009 05:04:59 PM 482 Views
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because she doesn't have any excuse to belly up either - 29/09/2009 04:17:06 PM 523 Views
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*snort* - 29/09/2009 05:30:25 PM 460 Views
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There was never any doubt of that - 29/09/2009 07:46:43 PM 423 Views
See below, - 29/09/2009 07:54:09 PM 458 Views
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I don't know - 29/09/2009 08:57:27 PM 355 Views
An article that has a lot of additional detail... - 29/09/2009 07:18:29 PM 561 Views
I wish i could put a nice big star next to this. - 29/09/2009 07:29:38 PM 454 Views
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Camilla - he drugged and raped a 13-year old.....what else do you need to know? *NM* - 29/09/2009 06:19:19 PM 298 Views
I don't know that. Neither do you. Which is part of it. *NM* - 29/09/2009 06:20:22 PM 295 Views
Yes we do..... - 29/09/2009 06:30:46 PM 507 Views
No, we don't. - 29/09/2009 06:48:35 PM 460 Views
if these "Facts" were false - 29/09/2009 07:02:50 PM 481 Views
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i fail to see how this is naive - 29/09/2009 08:35:59 PM 535 Views
The naive part - 29/09/2009 08:49:18 PM 530 Views
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I think that I'm just more cynical than you are - 29/09/2009 09:12:12 PM 504 Views
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Not necessarily wrong - 29/09/2009 09:43:33 PM 496 Views
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One thing that was clear - 29/09/2009 11:08:43 PM 538 Views
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Could you source that? - 29/09/2009 11:18:46 PM 516 Views
it's one of the articles that's been linked - 29/09/2009 11:59:02 PM 458 Views
The Mail article, yeah. *NM* - 30/09/2009 12:01:48 AM 156 Views
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Yes, we do.....drugs & rape of a 13-year old - 29/09/2009 07:10:02 PM 474 Views
you do know that just because you repeat something it doesn't instantly become true? *NM* - 29/09/2009 07:11:03 PM 146 Views
and how many times have y'all said it was false? *NM* - 29/09/2009 07:13:27 PM 292 Views
Hello pot, this is kettle, you're black too..... - 29/09/2009 08:16:16 PM 352 Views
Wow - I guess every allegation ever made by a prosecutor is true - 29/09/2009 08:09:43 PM 379 Views
I guess you believe every criminal who says "I didn't do it"..... - 29/09/2009 08:18:29 PM 452 Views
Nope - 29/09/2009 09:14:02 PM 362 Views
He admitted it. - 29/09/2009 10:45:43 PM 516 Views
You don't get it do you? - 29/09/2009 11:15:27 PM 477 Views
Nothing in the case which he admitted guilt to is in dispute. - 29/09/2009 11:45:05 PM 476 Views
Hardly - 30/09/2009 11:18:42 PM 443 Views
Seriously, are you related to Roman the Rapist? - 30/09/2009 01:11:44 AM 477 Views
I want to go on record as saying: I really dislike agreeing with you - 30/09/2009 05:03:24 AM 550 Views
Oh, now Amy's accusing me of being a pedophile, that's just funny - 01/10/2009 12:23:53 AM 466 Views
Re: Oh, now Amy's accusing me of being a pedophile, that's just funny - 01/10/2009 05:55:46 AM 514 Views
Honestly Amy, you know nothing whatsoever about my life or why I do things - 01/10/2009 04:03:38 PM 487 Views
I only have one thing left to say to you. - 01/10/2009 04:08:42 PM 315 Views
You are certainly entitled to your opinion - 01/10/2009 04:23:32 PM 347 Views
I think you're getting way out of line here, Amy. *NM* - 01/10/2009 04:07:59 PM 275 Views
I agree, and already said the same once. It appears that was deleted. *NM* - 01/10/2009 05:15:07 PM 307 Views
Sorry Nossy.. - 01/10/2009 06:24:26 PM 464 Views
It was meant to be advice - 01/10/2009 06:39:31 PM 323 Views
That entire conversation when I deleted the original post. - 01/10/2009 06:30:00 PM 437 Views
No no.. - 01/10/2009 06:43:19 PM 477 Views
Re: I think you're getting way out of line here, Amy. - 01/10/2009 06:21:37 PM 334 Views
Heh! - 01/10/2009 06:28:07 PM 341 Views
I second that. *NM* - 01/10/2009 08:21:13 PM 159 Views
No, I happen to dislike vigilante idiots - 30/09/2009 11:21:53 PM 330 Views
Re: No, we don't. - 29/09/2009 10:09:32 PM 435 Views
Re: No, we don't. - 29/09/2009 11:21:08 PM 576 Views
I think for the 1st time ever i'm actually stunned by the comments on this board. - 29/09/2009 07:14:18 PM 419 Views
Oh but he didn't KNOW - 29/09/2009 07:17:55 PM 388 Views
Ignorance doesn't have to be proven in court - 29/09/2009 08:11:31 PM 334 Views
no you have back asswards - 29/09/2009 08:14:36 PM 379 Views
You're talking ethics and then switch to law - 29/09/2009 09:17:02 PM 349 Views
yes the law can be stupid but not so stupid that you can use the - 29/09/2009 10:32:49 PM 379 Views
Oh it's EASILY that stupid and even stupider - 29/09/2009 10:58:33 PM 514 Views
If the girl has to call and ask her mommy if she can stay late you should ask her age - 30/09/2009 04:04:33 PM 355 Views
He knew her age. The photo-shoot was specifically looking at young girls. - 30/09/2009 04:42:01 PM 472 Views
Of course he knew he age - 30/09/2009 05:01:19 PM 470 Views
Obviously - because you say so right? - 30/09/2009 11:25:18 PM 322 Views
You really have to be a moron to believ he didn't - 01/10/2009 06:27:04 AM 346 Views
That stupidity isn't even worthy of a reply. *NM* - 01/10/2009 04:21:35 PM 273 Views
Wow, way to make up 'facts' - 30/09/2009 11:23:13 PM 550 Views
Do you actually READ any of the articles??? - 01/10/2009 12:06:54 AM 333 Views
I did and I just went and re-read that one to be sure - 01/10/2009 12:44:46 AM 518 Views
~nods~ *NM* - 29/09/2009 07:32:29 PM 271 Views
It's not the first time, but I agree. - 29/09/2009 07:44:06 PM 445 Views
Way to go for a straw man - 29/09/2009 07:45:44 PM 519 Views
I agree that he is most definitely not a pedophile - 29/09/2009 07:50:23 PM 570 Views
As to your question, I have no idea - 29/09/2009 07:59:43 PM 565 Views
That is not what staute of limitations is - 29/09/2009 07:52:32 PM 325 Views
Yes - 29/09/2009 08:00:49 PM 363 Views
Re: Yes - 29/09/2009 08:13:24 PM 504 Views
I prefer the Tin Man myself - 29/09/2009 07:57:07 PM 548 Views
Re: Way to go for a straw man - 30/09/2009 05:05:47 PM 473 Views
No one has excused him. But there is no point any longer in going after him. - 29/09/2009 08:15:42 PM 605 Views
i can certainly agree that it's a waste of time and resources - 29/09/2009 08:20:19 PM 336 Views
there are advantages and disadvantages to being famous - 29/09/2009 08:49:21 PM 341 Views
Agreed - I can't believe people are defending this d-bag.....amazing! *NM* - 29/09/2009 08:25:05 PM 280 Views
It is rather mind-boggling *NM* - 29/09/2009 08:29:11 PM 273 Views
well - 29/09/2009 08:34:56 PM 484 Views
I'm all for the gray and considerin both sides. - 29/09/2009 08:45:50 PM 391 Views
Ben Franklin once said - 29/09/2009 09:30:16 PM 538 Views
*snort* - 29/09/2009 10:02:13 PM 504 Views
I'd say you need to spend more time around lawyers - 29/09/2009 10:40:05 PM 443 Views
isn't he still churning out movies like crazy? - 29/09/2009 10:42:48 PM 354 Views
I've no idea - 29/09/2009 11:22:20 PM 482 Views
Exactly Nossy - 29/09/2009 09:20:14 PM 578 Views
Well it's certainly apparent you're sticking to it *NM* - 29/09/2009 09:27:48 PM 270 Views
That's always been how I am though. - 29/09/2009 09:32:30 PM 504 Views
I've decided I really don't care about this either way at all. - 29/09/2009 08:38:14 PM 434 Views
It has an effect on good cinema *NM* - 29/09/2009 08:52:58 PM 196 Views
there's been people saying he shouldn't get his Oscar for it - 29/09/2009 08:59:04 PM 335 Views
Doubtful. - 30/09/2009 02:04:52 AM 455 Views
How recent is recently? - 30/09/2009 02:22:39 AM 395 Views
There's a lot of misinformation flying around here. - 29/09/2009 11:22:29 PM 529 Views
That would be more convincing if you didn't have incorrect information yourself. - 29/09/2009 11:58:40 PM 344 Views
I just worked that out. - 30/09/2009 12:07:43 AM 519 Views
Re: I just worked that out. - 30/09/2009 12:28:13 AM 484 Views
Re: I just worked that out. - 30/09/2009 12:42:17 AM 453 Views
Small correction - 01/10/2009 12:15:45 AM 457 Views
Think about that one a bit - 30/09/2009 11:34:56 PM 524 Views
Add to that also - 30/09/2009 11:30:14 PM 536 Views
Excellent summary on Roman the Rapist.....good job! *NM* - 30/09/2009 01:13:35 AM 289 Views
Most impressive - 30/09/2009 01:21:42 AM 318 Views
Excellent - and done better than most of the rest of us. *NM* - 30/09/2009 03:34:11 PM 298 Views
In my opinion... - 30/09/2009 04:57:44 PM 460 Views
Can I just say... - 30/09/2009 05:54:47 PM 482 Views
The state is also a vicitm - 30/09/2009 06:17:22 PM 473 Views
Hardly, in this case - 30/09/2009 11:57:48 PM 359 Views
you know your arguments would have more merit if you had a clue what your were talking about - 01/10/2009 06:24:35 AM 332 Views
You should know what you are talking about before you post - 01/10/2009 04:18:50 PM 536 Views
OK go learn something and then come back - 01/10/2009 05:15:45 PM 510 Views
I note that you ignore the fact that I just proved you wrong... - 01/10/2009 05:27:01 PM 445 Views
no you just mistated some crap that I ignored *sigh* - 01/10/2009 06:30:03 PM 335 Views
The girl and mother requested to cut a deal, so the 13-year old wouldn't have to testify..... - 01/10/2009 04:28:49 PM 323 Views
Actually, the prosecution cut the deal - 01/10/2009 05:29:29 PM 459 Views
And the most important reason for justice... - 30/09/2009 07:43:33 PM 571 Views
Just to be clear - 30/09/2009 11:47:42 PM 544 Views
This may help some of the argument, but sadly not much - 01/10/2009 02:06:22 AM 499 Views
It's not just that he admitted to it in the plea bargain. - 01/10/2009 03:10:37 AM 536 Views
*agree* *NM* - 01/10/2009 02:36:05 PM 162 Views
Yes, looking at him very strangely.....he's jumping the shark big-time on this one! - 01/10/2009 04:31:43 PM 356 Views
Apparently you don't get the idea of honest debate - 01/10/2009 06:40:45 PM 497 Views
Good news - French government drops support for director Roman Polanski - 01/10/2009 04:46:42 PM 492 Views
Hypocrites. *NM* - 01/10/2009 05:41:34 PM 311 Views
Yeah pretty much - 01/10/2009 06:28:01 PM 375 Views
Well, unless I find some new facts to post - I think I'm done with this thread - 01/10/2009 06:59:36 PM 612 Views
It was quite a valiant effort - 01/10/2009 08:30:23 PM 370 Views
I agree the attacks on you personally were not warranted and were out of line. - 03/10/2009 03:02:03 AM 530 Views
Please. - 05/10/2009 03:35:50 PM 521 Views
My "bottom line" on this subject: - 01/10/2009 07:21:19 PM 517 Views

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