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If "the bible is still the bible," then what of Deborah, Huldah and Phoebe, to name but a few? Joel Send a noteboard - 13/02/2013 06:17:44 PM
I'm a "lapsed" catholic as well.
I'm a current Catholic.

2. Priests being a woman - no chance (bible/God's word)
The origins of this one are also more doctrinal than "Word of God". The specific prohibitions are not in the Gospels but Timothy's. The Bible is still the Bible. The Epistles of Paul are just as Divinely inspired as the Gospels of Matthew and John. In each case, the authors are citing Divine revelation of some kind. Paul's Apostolic infallibility is the same as the others'.

5. Gay marriage/rights - no chance (bible/God's word)
Actually the prohibitions are Old Testament and COULD be invalidated by an Ex Cathedra declaration, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

Probably a good idea, since the New Testament defines marriage as between a man and a woman. There is a better chance of changing the stance on abortion than polygamy (serial or otherwise) or same-sex marriage.

Are Pauls statements to Timothy that he should drink a little wine for his indisgestion also a divinely inspired decree from God? What of I Corinthians 7:12, "But to the rest I, not the Lord, say: If any brother has a wife who does not believe, and she is willing to live with him, let him not divorce her"? The passage says outright it is NOT Gods divine commandment, but we are to regard it as such anyway? :confused:

This is the real challenge much of the Epistles present me: They are NOT, unlike the Torah and Prophets, the work of men consciously writing from divine inspiration, or at least, not always. They are essentially every document the Church Fathers were reasonably certain to be authentically written by the purported authors. Divinely inspired commandments and doctrines from the throne of God, personal correspondence, grocery lists; if it is believed to be an apostles epistle, or was in the middle of the Fourth Century AD, it makes the canon.

This is just one of many big reasons we need the Holy Spirit to clarify when we are dealing with Gods word rather than an apostles personal commentary.
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So the Pope has resigned Wibble - 11/02/2013 01:01:59 PM 1388 Views
Re: So the Pope has resigned HyogaRott - 11/02/2013 02:29:13 PM 798 Views
As a catholic, I am surprised, but please by the Pope's decision..... Anonymous2000 - 12/02/2013 03:05:34 AM 764 Views
Re: As a catholic, I am surprised, but please by the Pope's decision..... HyogaRott - 12/02/2013 09:21:30 PM 706 Views
One mistake in my original post..... Anonymous2000 - 13/02/2013 01:27:48 AM 704 Views
Re: As a catholic, I am surprised, but please by the Pope's decision..... Cannoli - 13/02/2013 01:35:14 AM 673 Views
Re: As a catholic, I am surprised, but please by the Pope's decision..... HyogaRott - 13/02/2013 03:45:23 PM 752 Views
Luke or Paul? Isaac - 13/02/2013 04:36:27 PM 691 Views
That is what I get for only having decaf coffee this morning... HyogaRott - 13/02/2013 05:43:57 PM 752 Views
I'm gonna have to disagree with you on this point. Jeordam - 13/02/2013 06:36:03 PM 594 Views
Re: I'm gonna have to disagree with you on this point. HyogaRott - 14/02/2013 11:12:34 PM 697 Views
Hate to jump you again but are you sure you mean Timothy? Isaac - 14/02/2013 11:54:00 PM 733 Views
Yep, I ment Timothy HyogaRott - 15/02/2013 04:18:21 AM 703 Views
Re: Yep, I ment Timothy Isaac - 15/02/2013 11:03:16 AM 695 Views
If "the bible is still the bible," then what of Deborah, Huldah and Phoebe, to name but a few? Joel - 13/02/2013 06:17:44 PM 822 Views
Why wouldn't it still be devinely inspired? Jeordam - 13/02/2013 06:44:07 PM 732 Views
Um, because then God was lying when He inspired someone to write "this is not Gods commandment." Joel - 13/02/2013 07:42:15 PM 701 Views
You're missing a really key point Jeordam - 13/02/2013 09:13:32 PM 760 Views
You are using an epistle to say every word of all epistles is divinely inspired? Joel - 13/02/2013 10:00:36 PM 888 Views
Let us take it full circle: The ecclesiastical authority of women Joel - 13/02/2013 10:21:26 PM 779 Views
Shouldn't you be able to answer this question from what you just wrote? Jeordam - 13/02/2013 11:02:28 PM 769 Views
Oh, certainly; I just felt like I was dragging you with me kicking and screaming. Joel - 14/02/2013 01:05:14 AM 743 Views
So Roman Catholic priests CAN marry, under tortuous conditions? Interesting.... Joel - 13/02/2013 03:40:48 PM 636 Views
A priest can't marry, but a married person can become a priest. HyogaRott - 13/02/2013 03:51:02 PM 669 Views
Heh, yeah, I guess I slightly mischaracterized what you were saying. Joel - 13/02/2013 05:54:05 PM 759 Views
There are a bunch of semi-Catholic denominations that allow priests to marry. Legolas - 13/02/2013 06:06:13 PM 680 Views
That makes more sense. Joel - 13/02/2013 06:23:36 PM 751 Views
Here's my chance. I'm putting in my application. Palatine - 11/02/2013 04:20:52 PM 855 Views
Unfortunately it matters due to the power he has... Wibble - 11/02/2013 04:42:25 PM 797 Views
Religions don't work that way. They are full of moral absolutes. There is no flexibility *NM* Dark Knight - 11/02/2013 06:10:19 PM 379 Views
Of course there is flexibility. The minute their money is threatened they flex like mad... *NM* Wibble - 11/02/2013 06:25:02 PM 376 Views
I'd imagine Unitarians and several other religions would beg to differ Isaac - 11/02/2013 09:28:39 PM 768 Views
Hah, are you kidding? beetnemesis - 13/02/2013 02:20:54 PM 839 Views
You would like the Roman Catholic Church to do some good FOR ONCE?! Joel - 11/02/2013 08:00:26 PM 865 Views
Well said. *NM* Ghavrel - 11/02/2013 10:55:18 PM 408 Views
You give them too much credit. Wibble - 11/02/2013 11:19:06 PM 824 Views
Put on blinders much? HyogaRott - 11/02/2013 11:50:01 PM 751 Views
I lol'd. *NM* Wibble - 11/02/2013 11:54:09 PM 380 Views
Grant me Chastity and Continence, But Not Yet! *NM* Roland00 - 12/02/2013 03:35:26 AM 321 Views
Chastity: A Virtue best found in others *NM* Isaac - 12/02/2013 12:53:26 PM 328 Views
and continence too, apparently..... *NM* moondog - 14/02/2013 12:18:22 AM 396 Views
Well said. Cannoli - 13/02/2013 01:43:47 AM 654 Views
You really don't know how human psychology works, do you? Legolas - 13/02/2013 06:28:23 PM 714 Views
..and you don't get that it isn't what people will/may do, but what they should. HyogaRott - 15/02/2013 04:22:26 AM 909 Views
It's not religion, it's HIV or no HIV. Legolas - 15/02/2013 10:45:52 PM 692 Views
it's not HIV or no HIV, it is about what people should do. HyogaRott - 16/02/2013 07:02:36 PM 736 Views
Of course they don't have to teach people how to use condoms. Legolas - 17/02/2013 10:46:38 AM 676 Views
You're showing some glaring bias and hostility here Isaac - 12/02/2013 01:58:17 PM 663 Views
No, you are giving them far too little. Joel - 13/02/2013 03:33:03 PM 677 Views
The catholic church is significantly growing in Africa and with Hispanics. *NM* Anonymous2000 - 12/02/2013 03:41:54 AM 447 Views
Oh, that. Palatine - 12/02/2013 03:04:42 PM 627 Views
That's such a load Cannoli - 13/02/2013 01:39:45 AM 728 Views
Oops, I meant to reply here - As a catholic.....my take. Anonymous2000 - 12/02/2013 03:39:42 AM 793 Views
I'd say the chances are about as good... Dragonsoul - 12/02/2013 03:48:29 PM 877 Views
So teh chances are excellent then! Good to know. Wibble - 12/02/2013 04:51:43 PM 721 Views
I doubt there's much of a chance of a real progressive. Stephen - 12/02/2013 06:38:14 PM 686 Views
IDK, two straight non-Italians? Will they put up with a 3rd? Has that even happened since Avignon? Cannoli - 13/02/2013 01:46:28 AM 758 Views
Who says Benedict/Ratzinger is straight? Roland00 - 13/02/2013 04:56:52 AM 667 Views
Don't think so, but the Italians will have to get used to it. Legolas - 13/02/2013 06:34:24 PM 667 Views
This will be a very interesting time. Dannymac - 13/02/2013 06:27:41 PM 795 Views
He's retiring into a monastery in the Vatican, as I understand it. Legolas - 13/02/2013 06:42:14 PM 784 Views
Now this would be interesting.... Jeordam - 13/02/2013 06:51:40 PM 753 Views
Right now I would settle for making up lost ground... Dannymac - 14/02/2013 05:02:38 AM 661 Views
Pope Bene-victed... Raserei - 19/02/2013 07:56:17 AM 940 Views
Hurrah, Ras. I love a good pun or three. *NM* Palatine - 19/02/2013 01:55:11 PM 297 Views
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