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If "the bible is still the bible," then what of Deborah, Huldah and Phoebe, to name but a few? Joel Send a noteboard - 13/02/2013 06:17:44 PM
I'm a "lapsed" catholic as well.
I'm a current Catholic.

2. Priests being a woman - no chance (bible/God's word)
The origins of this one are also more doctrinal than "Word of God". The specific prohibitions are not in the Gospels but Timothy's. The Bible is still the Bible. The Epistles of Paul are just as Divinely inspired as the Gospels of Matthew and John. In each case, the authors are citing Divine revelation of some kind. Paul's Apostolic infallibility is the same as the others'.

5. Gay marriage/rights - no chance (bible/God's word)
Actually the prohibitions are Old Testament and COULD be invalidated by an Ex Cathedra declaration, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

Probably a good idea, since the New Testament defines marriage as between a man and a woman. There is a better chance of changing the stance on abortion than polygamy (serial or otherwise) or same-sex marriage.

Are Pauls statements to Timothy that he should drink a little wine for his indisgestion also a divinely inspired decree from God? What of I Corinthians 7:12, "But to the rest I, not the Lord, say: If any brother has a wife who does not believe, and she is willing to live with him, let him not divorce her"? The passage says outright it is NOT Gods divine commandment, but we are to regard it as such anyway? :confused:

This is the real challenge much of the Epistles present me: They are NOT, unlike the Torah and Prophets, the work of men consciously writing from divine inspiration, or at least, not always. They are essentially every document the Church Fathers were reasonably certain to be authentically written by the purported authors. Divinely inspired commandments and doctrines from the throne of God, personal correspondence, grocery lists; if it is believed to be an apostles epistle, or was in the middle of the Fourth Century AD, it makes the canon.

This is just one of many big reasons we need the Holy Spirit to clarify when we are dealing with Gods word rather than an apostles personal commentary.
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So the Pope has resigned Wibble - 11/02/2013 01:01:59 PM 1355 Views
Re: So the Pope has resigned HyogaRott - 11/02/2013 02:29:13 PM 770 Views
As a catholic, I am surprised, but please by the Pope's decision..... Anonymous2000 - 12/02/2013 03:05:34 AM 728 Views
Re: As a catholic, I am surprised, but please by the Pope's decision..... HyogaRott - 12/02/2013 09:21:30 PM 669 Views
One mistake in my original post..... Anonymous2000 - 13/02/2013 01:27:48 AM 673 Views
Re: As a catholic, I am surprised, but please by the Pope's decision..... Cannoli - 13/02/2013 01:35:14 AM 639 Views
Re: As a catholic, I am surprised, but please by the Pope's decision..... HyogaRott - 13/02/2013 03:45:23 PM 722 Views
Luke or Paul? Isaac - 13/02/2013 04:36:27 PM 656 Views
That is what I get for only having decaf coffee this morning... HyogaRott - 13/02/2013 05:43:57 PM 722 Views
I'm gonna have to disagree with you on this point. Jeordam - 13/02/2013 06:36:03 PM 560 Views
Re: I'm gonna have to disagree with you on this point. HyogaRott - 14/02/2013 11:12:34 PM 668 Views
Hate to jump you again but are you sure you mean Timothy? Isaac - 14/02/2013 11:54:00 PM 699 Views
Yep, I ment Timothy HyogaRott - 15/02/2013 04:18:21 AM 673 Views
Re: Yep, I ment Timothy Isaac - 15/02/2013 11:03:16 AM 662 Views
If "the bible is still the bible," then what of Deborah, Huldah and Phoebe, to name but a few? Joel - 13/02/2013 06:17:44 PM 784 Views
Why wouldn't it still be devinely inspired? Jeordam - 13/02/2013 06:44:07 PM 699 Views
Um, because then God was lying when He inspired someone to write "this is not Gods commandment." Joel - 13/02/2013 07:42:15 PM 669 Views
You're missing a really key point Jeordam - 13/02/2013 09:13:32 PM 727 Views
You are using an epistle to say every word of all epistles is divinely inspired? Joel - 13/02/2013 10:00:36 PM 858 Views
Let us take it full circle: The ecclesiastical authority of women Joel - 13/02/2013 10:21:26 PM 747 Views
Shouldn't you be able to answer this question from what you just wrote? Jeordam - 13/02/2013 11:02:28 PM 737 Views
Oh, certainly; I just felt like I was dragging you with me kicking and screaming. Joel - 14/02/2013 01:05:14 AM 707 Views
So Roman Catholic priests CAN marry, under tortuous conditions? Interesting.... Joel - 13/02/2013 03:40:48 PM 595 Views
A priest can't marry, but a married person can become a priest. HyogaRott - 13/02/2013 03:51:02 PM 636 Views
Heh, yeah, I guess I slightly mischaracterized what you were saying. Joel - 13/02/2013 05:54:05 PM 727 Views
There are a bunch of semi-Catholic denominations that allow priests to marry. Legolas - 13/02/2013 06:06:13 PM 648 Views
That makes more sense. Joel - 13/02/2013 06:23:36 PM 721 Views
Here's my chance. I'm putting in my application. Palatine - 11/02/2013 04:20:52 PM 822 Views
Unfortunately it matters due to the power he has... Wibble - 11/02/2013 04:42:25 PM 763 Views
Religions don't work that way. They are full of moral absolutes. There is no flexibility *NM* Dark Knight - 11/02/2013 06:10:19 PM 364 Views
Of course there is flexibility. The minute their money is threatened they flex like mad... *NM* Wibble - 11/02/2013 06:25:02 PM 362 Views
I'd imagine Unitarians and several other religions would beg to differ Isaac - 11/02/2013 09:28:39 PM 739 Views
Hah, are you kidding? beetnemesis - 13/02/2013 02:20:54 PM 805 Views
You would like the Roman Catholic Church to do some good FOR ONCE?! Joel - 11/02/2013 08:00:26 PM 833 Views
Well said. *NM* Ghavrel - 11/02/2013 10:55:18 PM 393 Views
You give them too much credit. Wibble - 11/02/2013 11:19:06 PM 791 Views
Put on blinders much? HyogaRott - 11/02/2013 11:50:01 PM 718 Views
I lol'd. *NM* Wibble - 11/02/2013 11:54:09 PM 366 Views
Grant me Chastity and Continence, But Not Yet! *NM* Roland00 - 12/02/2013 03:35:26 AM 305 Views
Chastity: A Virtue best found in others *NM* Isaac - 12/02/2013 12:53:26 PM 314 Views
and continence too, apparently..... *NM* moondog - 14/02/2013 12:18:22 AM 380 Views
Well said. Cannoli - 13/02/2013 01:43:47 AM 625 Views
You really don't know how human psychology works, do you? Legolas - 13/02/2013 06:28:23 PM 682 Views
..and you don't get that it isn't what people will/may do, but what they should. HyogaRott - 15/02/2013 04:22:26 AM 882 Views
It's not religion, it's HIV or no HIV. Legolas - 15/02/2013 10:45:52 PM 659 Views
it's not HIV or no HIV, it is about what people should do. HyogaRott - 16/02/2013 07:02:36 PM 705 Views
Of course they don't have to teach people how to use condoms. Legolas - 17/02/2013 10:46:38 AM 646 Views
You're showing some glaring bias and hostility here Isaac - 12/02/2013 01:58:17 PM 628 Views
No, you are giving them far too little. Joel - 13/02/2013 03:33:03 PM 645 Views
The catholic church is significantly growing in Africa and with Hispanics. *NM* Anonymous2000 - 12/02/2013 03:41:54 AM 431 Views
Oh, that. Palatine - 12/02/2013 03:04:42 PM 593 Views
That's such a load Cannoli - 13/02/2013 01:39:45 AM 695 Views
Oops, I meant to reply here - As a catholic.....my take. Anonymous2000 - 12/02/2013 03:39:42 AM 757 Views
I'd say the chances are about as good... Dragonsoul - 12/02/2013 03:48:29 PM 849 Views
So teh chances are excellent then! Good to know. Wibble - 12/02/2013 04:51:43 PM 682 Views
I doubt there's much of a chance of a real progressive. Stephen - 12/02/2013 06:38:14 PM 650 Views
IDK, two straight non-Italians? Will they put up with a 3rd? Has that even happened since Avignon? Cannoli - 13/02/2013 01:46:28 AM 727 Views
Who says Benedict/Ratzinger is straight? Roland00 - 13/02/2013 04:56:52 AM 637 Views
Don't think so, but the Italians will have to get used to it. Legolas - 13/02/2013 06:34:24 PM 641 Views
This will be a very interesting time. Dannymac - 13/02/2013 06:27:41 PM 763 Views
He's retiring into a monastery in the Vatican, as I understand it. Legolas - 13/02/2013 06:42:14 PM 757 Views
Now this would be interesting.... Jeordam - 13/02/2013 06:51:40 PM 720 Views
Right now I would settle for making up lost ground... Dannymac - 14/02/2013 05:02:38 AM 627 Views
Pope Bene-victed... Raserei - 19/02/2013 07:56:17 AM 877 Views
Hurrah, Ras. I love a good pun or three. *NM* Palatine - 19/02/2013 01:55:11 PM 282 Views
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