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aH yes the great liberal investmetn/retirement plan that offers me a NEGATIGVE rate of return... HyogaRott Send a noteboard - 02/03/2013 11:51:50 AM

If you make $7.00 an hour, working 40 hours a week, 52 weeks a year, that comes out to be $14,560 a year. If you invest 4%, that comes out to $48.00 a month. If you do that for 50 years – this is assuming that you never get a raise - you’d have ~$1,253,000. That would give you ~$8,300 a month after you retire, and when you die, your family still has over a million dollars.

Social Security’s monthly benefit for the same individual (via their online calculator) is $664. However, they were taking 15% (7.5% from the individual and 7.5% from the employer) of his income; almost 4 times as much money. With Social Security, when you die, you leave nothing but Social Security’s wonderfully generous $255 death benefit (payable only once per family), and unless you were fortunate enough to die on the first day of the month, someone has to reimburse the government for your last $644 check (no prorating over the month, even if you died on the last day) in full.

The math is “..so simple even a caveman can do it.” Social (in)Security is a complete rip-off, and there can be no debate about it; facts are facts.

Social security costs you 4 times as much, and returns about 1/12th the money.

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Can You Name the Largest US Program to ANNUALLY Collect More Than It Spent for 75 Straight Years? - 28/02/2013 11:03:18 PM 1547 Views
It's the world's greatest Ponzi scheme, since the government forces us to give money to it. - 01/03/2013 01:05:05 PM 981 Views
Yes, "government forcing people to give money" defines a Ponzi; speeding tickets are Ponzis. - 01/03/2013 03:53:02 PM 1066 Views
Good lord my friend..... - 02/03/2013 04:19:35 AM 995 Views
I will just link what Isaac said; maybe then you will pay attention to it. - 02/03/2013 04:56:34 AM 1064 Views
I really think you terribly misread what I said *NM* - 02/03/2013 06:59:56 AM 541 Views
Yes he did. He has very poor reading comprehension skills. *NM* - 03/03/2013 01:07:59 AM 563 Views
I really do not think I did. - 04/03/2013 01:43:02 AM 1092 Views
I'm pretty confident you have - 04/03/2013 11:49:19 AM 1069 Views
We evidently disagree on what constitutes a Ponzi scheme. - 11/03/2013 09:56:27 PM 992 Views
No, I agree with a clear definiton, you seem not to want to absorb that - 11/03/2013 10:24:47 PM 1182 Views
It is neither an investment nor fraudulent. - 12/03/2013 02:34:09 AM 1238 Views
Okay, that's a really weird or naive standard to judge SS by - 01/03/2013 05:25:11 PM 1009 Views
Great; will you put that on a postcard to Cannoli, A2K, Rick Perry and the rest of your party? - 01/03/2013 07:39:44 PM 1055 Views
Your attacks on republican ideals would have more credit if you understood them - 02/03/2013 04:27:34 AM 1042 Views
aH yes the great liberal investmetn/retirement plan that offers me a NEGATIGVE rate of return... - 02/03/2013 11:51:50 AM 970 Views
Do you sincerely believe people earning $14,560/year can afford investing 4% of it? - 04/03/2013 12:53:30 AM 1127 Views
*sigh* - 04/03/2013 03:43:08 AM 954 Views
I tried it with compound interest; $44.80/month at 4% for 50 years still does not get to $1.25 mill. - 04/03/2013 04:24:51 AM 997 Views
Here are some clues. - 04/03/2013 04:37:39 AM 879 Views
It is math, not the Riddle of the Sphinx: EIther it adds up or does not. - 04/03/2013 05:02:39 AM 1013 Views
Math is simple - Either you know how to calculate it or you don't - 04/03/2013 11:55:24 AM 1139 Views
Indeed. - 11/03/2013 09:53:59 PM 1059 Views
Re: Indeed. - 13/03/2013 05:00:10 PM 1183 Views
SS is supposed to supplement a proper pension, not provide your sole income after retirement - 05/03/2013 03:53:03 AM 901 Views
Did you bother to actually read anything? - 05/03/2013 02:32:16 PM 973 Views
do *YOU* know what "living in poverty" means? - 05/03/2013 05:49:14 PM 1067 Views
Re: do *YOU* know what "living in poverty" means? --- yeah, I've BEEN there. - 05/03/2013 08:01:33 PM 984 Views
how about respond to a post with logic and civility instead of being a troll for once? - 05/03/2013 11:03:00 PM 1114 Views
All I have used is civility and logic, or least as much civility as was warrented. - 06/03/2013 04:28:04 AM 1050 Views
yeah, it's my fault for stooping to your level.... - 08/03/2013 07:22:24 PM 1096 Views
Re: yeah, it's my fault for stooping to your level.... - 10/03/2013 01:42:26 PM 968 Views
i'm not going to keep going in circles so i will finish with this.... - 11/03/2013 10:08:53 PM 1273 Views
No loss. - 13/03/2013 04:37:41 PM 910 Views
"Rah! Rah! Rah!" Can we please cut out all this blather and bile? - 05/03/2013 11:53:41 PM 980 Views
spoken like a true enemy of the state! - 06/03/2013 12:54:38 AM 929 Views
Re: spoken like a true enemy of the state! - 08/03/2013 03:04:37 PM 993 Views
I was not trolling, but clarifying. - 11/03/2013 09:53:48 PM 1040 Views

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