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there are still bills pending for magazine size, background checks for all sales, and gun trafficking -- all of which are supported by a majority of Americans. i couldn't care less about assault weapon bans as long as we expand background checks. while we're at it, may as well start requiring gun shops to actually keep track of inventory, and prosecute those shops who sell guns to criminals, especially if those guns go on to commit actual crimes.
there are still bills pending for magazine size, background checks for all sales, and gun trafficking -- all of which are supported by a majority of Americans. i couldn't care less about assault weapon bans as long as we expand background checks. while we're at it, may as well start requiring gun shops to actually keep track of inventory, and prosecute those shops who sell guns to criminals, especially if those guns go on to commit actual crimes.
there is still plenty more to do, so pushing for a ban that is unpopular and doesn't do a whole lot to stop the violence is counter productive.
US Senate Democrats - already cave-in on the gun control bill
- 19/03/2013 10:44:55 PM
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right wingers are always point out there is no point legislating cosmetics
- 19/03/2013 11:52:28 PM
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Late Term Abortion, Terry Schavio? *NM*
- 19/03/2013 11:57:25 PM
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You know, what you are hoping for will not make any difference whatsoever.....
- 20/03/2013 01:07:58 AM
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I can agree with some of what you stated, though I prefer "logical" to "right winger"
- 20/03/2013 01:56:34 AM
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you are correct. i forget sometimes that there **is** some common ground here....
- 20/03/2013 04:19:13 AM
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There'd be more common ground if anything were ever offered in exchange for concessions
- 20/03/2013 02:20:26 PM
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Ben Franklin said it best...
- 20/03/2013 04:14:45 PM
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interesting how that quote always applies to so many things, isn't it?
- 20/03/2013 05:14:30 PM
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Re: Ben Franklin said it best...
- 21/03/2013 07:16:25 AM
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There can be NO negotiation, that is the point. This is a Constitutionally protected Right.
- 21/03/2013 01:03:54 PM
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Including Capital Letters in pronouncements do NOT make something so
- 21/03/2013 02:56:43 PM
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1st Amendment absolutism suggests libel and slander are unconstitutional.
- 21/03/2013 07:24:34 PM
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One person's rights end where another's begin, as you well know.
- 22/03/2013 02:38:37 AM
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all the same, none of the proposed laws truly infringe on your right to keep or use those guns....
- 22/03/2013 07:29:52 PM
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Apparently you did not read Feinstein's, you know the one that started this whole thread...
- 23/03/2013 06:26:57 PM
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i'm aware of her statements, you'll have to actually prove your point....
- 24/03/2013 03:35:11 AM
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Her bill tried to eliminate my (and everone's) right to own all but 2,000 specific weapons.
- 24/03/2013 12:30:56 PM
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"A well-regulated militia...."
- 25/03/2013 07:27:48 PM
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and by REGULATED, the authors meant "able to use it effectively"
- 26/03/2013 01:23:07 PM
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we are long past the point where defense against tyranny is feasible
- 26/03/2013 07:48:37 PM
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if there have to be concessions, what do you recommend?
- 20/03/2013 05:10:53 PM
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That would depend, something of equal value
- 20/03/2013 09:13:23 PM
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when very little is being given up, how do we determine equal value?
- 20/03/2013 10:31:59 PM
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Outside of legislature people do it all the time, its called negotiation and bargaining
- 21/03/2013 10:53:22 AM
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Re: Outside of legislature people do it all the time, its called negotiation and bargaining
- 21/03/2013 07:16:57 PM
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Re: Outside of legislature people do it all the time, its called negotiation and bargaining
- 21/03/2013 08:53:20 PM
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some answers
- 21/03/2013 10:04:45 PM
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Re: some answers
- 21/03/2013 11:33:21 PM
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Re: the NRA
- 22/03/2013 07:44:06 PM
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This is a matter of POV bias
- 22/03/2013 09:04:25 PM
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we will have to agree to disagree then
- 22/03/2013 10:12:02 PM
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I already knew we disagreed, that's why I suggested bargaining
- 22/03/2013 11:11:04 PM
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i am merely taking the NRA at their word(s)
- 23/03/2013 12:13:18 AM
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Re: i am merely taking the NRA at their word(s)
- 23/03/2013 02:04:39 AM
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i am not trying to sway, just come to an understanding
- 23/03/2013 03:03:14 PM
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I think you've actually managed to widen our gap
- 23/03/2013 03:53:55 PM
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yes, because it was a failed attempt to re-boot and start the debate from the beginning.....
- 24/03/2013 03:33:05 AM
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I've difficulty seeing the point of going back to first principles but I'm willing to try
- 24/03/2013 02:13:29 PM
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this has been more insightful than our previous tit-for-tat responses, actually
- 26/03/2013 07:40:27 PM
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There's always room for reaosnable dialogue
- 26/03/2013 10:09:58 PM
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There are many more laws and regulations on the industry than you seem to be aware of.
- 20/03/2013 03:58:19 PM
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the existing laws and how they are enforced are completely different problems
- 20/03/2013 05:32:31 PM
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I have no problems with actually enforcing existing laws, in fact I want to see that before new 1 *NM*
- 21/03/2013 12:17:40 AM
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I can see the argument for limiting magazine capapcity but it would be hard to enforce
- 20/03/2013 05:11:51 PM
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as with most laws, some amount of grandfathering will probably be necessary
- 20/03/2013 05:34:57 PM
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It would be a stupid meaningless "feel good" law as changing magazines takes almost no time. *NM*
- 21/03/2013 01:05:34 PM
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canada's magazine restrictions are credited with reducing fatalities in a mass shooting
- 21/03/2013 07:22:45 PM
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Regarding guns sold which are used in crimes
- 20/03/2013 10:41:21 PM
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Your specified legal requirements already exist. *NM*
- 21/03/2013 02:05:12 AM
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So what other stipulations would you put into effect? *NM*
- 21/03/2013 02:42:53 AM
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none- I'd simply actually punish criminals instead of trying to "reform" them. *NM*
- 21/03/2013 01:13:29 PM
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Criminals need to be punished AND reformed for their inevitable release back into society *NM*
- 21/03/2013 11:58:20 PM
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I've always been rather partial to the criminal justice system in Heinlein's Starship Troopers novel
- 22/03/2013 02:42:09 AM
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Yeah you're right. Let's just kill everybody who commits a crime
- 22/03/2013 02:46:49 AM
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That's not in Starship Troopers
- 22/03/2013 12:51:44 PM
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Yeah, there was a small number of capital offenses (13 I think), most not specified.
- 22/03/2013 05:27:11 PM
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So what's your solution? Smaller sentences? Or death penalty for everybody?
- 22/03/2013 06:33:13 PM
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I don't have a truly viable one. I just have a bunch of ideas that no one would want to enact.
- 24/03/2013 12:49:58 PM
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14 then, he lists stupidity as one in another book
- 22/03/2013 07:35:13 PM
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- 22/03/2013 07:35:13 PM
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Out of curiosity. Is anyone against background checks at gun shows, and if so, why? *NM*
- 21/03/2013 09:38:59 AM
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Personally, I am worried about criminals with guns. BUT...
- 22/03/2013 03:44:47 PM
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What you are not factoring into your though process is that most criminals feels the same way.
- 24/03/2013 12:56:04 PM
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I realize that can be the case. But...
- 25/03/2013 03:32:59 PM
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Twice I was almost robbed, and my parents were robbed several times.
- 26/03/2013 01:35:11 PM
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