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Yeah you're right. Let's just kill everybody who commits a crime Nighthawk Send a noteboard - 22/03/2013 02:46:49 AM

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You can't reform the unwilling, and the willing don't need it.

Prison serves absolutely no useful purpose except as a place of employment for prison guards.


Because as we all know, not one person in the history of the world has ever been changed into good by their experience in prison.

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US Senate Democrats - already cave-in on the gun control bill Anonymous2000 - 19/03/2013 10:44:55 PM 1473 Views
right wingers are always point out there is no point legislating cosmetics moondog - 19/03/2013 11:52:28 PM 881 Views
Late Term Abortion, Terry Schavio? *NM* Roland00 - 19/03/2013 11:57:25 PM 440 Views
You know, what you are hoping for will not make any difference whatsoever..... Anonymous2000 - 20/03/2013 01:07:58 AM 755 Views
"if at first you don't succeed..... fuck it...." moondog - 20/03/2013 04:10:47 AM 758 Views
I can agree with some of what you stated, though I prefer "logical" to "right winger" HyogaRott - 20/03/2013 01:56:34 AM 808 Views
you are correct. i forget sometimes that there **is** some common ground here.... moondog - 20/03/2013 04:19:13 AM 727 Views
There'd be more common ground if anything were ever offered in exchange for concessions Isaac - 20/03/2013 02:20:26 PM 758 Views
Ben Franklin said it best... HyogaRott - 20/03/2013 04:14:45 PM 723 Views
interesting how that quote always applies to so many things, isn't it? moondog - 20/03/2013 05:14:30 PM 726 Views
Absolutely HyogaRott - 21/03/2013 12:20:45 AM 794 Views
Re: Ben Franklin said it best... Isaac - 21/03/2013 07:16:25 AM 841 Views
There can be NO negotiation, that is the point. This is a Constitutionally protected Right. HyogaRott - 21/03/2013 01:03:54 PM 766 Views
Including Capital Letters in pronouncements do NOT make something so Isaac - 21/03/2013 02:56:43 PM 815 Views
1st Amendment absolutism suggests libel and slander are unconstitutional. moondog - 21/03/2013 07:24:34 PM 756 Views
One person's rights end where another's begin, as you well know. HyogaRott - 22/03/2013 02:38:37 AM 746 Views
all the same, none of the proposed laws truly infringe on your right to keep or use those guns.... moondog - 22/03/2013 07:29:52 PM 798 Views
Apparently you did not read Feinstein's, you know the one that started this whole thread... HyogaRott - 23/03/2013 06:26:57 PM 774 Views
i'm aware of her statements, you'll have to actually prove your point.... moondog - 24/03/2013 03:35:11 AM 676 Views
Her bill tried to eliminate my (and everone's) right to own all but 2,000 specific weapons. HyogaRott - 24/03/2013 12:30:56 PM 758 Views
"A well-regulated militia...." moondog - 25/03/2013 07:27:48 PM 889 Views
and by REGULATED, the authors meant "able to use it effectively" HyogaRott - 26/03/2013 01:23:07 PM 773 Views
we are long past the point where defense against tyranny is feasible moondog - 26/03/2013 07:48:37 PM 765 Views
Feasibility is not the issue, it is the rule of law. HyogaRott - 27/03/2013 03:55:24 PM 811 Views
if there have to be concessions, what do you recommend? moondog - 20/03/2013 05:10:53 PM 850 Views
That would depend, something of equal value Isaac - 20/03/2013 09:13:23 PM 746 Views
when very little is being given up, how do we determine equal value? moondog - 20/03/2013 10:31:59 PM 1006 Views
Outside of legislature people do it all the time, its called negotiation and bargaining Isaac - 21/03/2013 10:53:22 AM 756 Views
Re: Outside of legislature people do it all the time, its called negotiation and bargaining moondog - 21/03/2013 07:16:57 PM 821 Views
Re: Outside of legislature people do it all the time, its called negotiation and bargaining Isaac - 21/03/2013 08:53:20 PM 903 Views
some answers moondog - 21/03/2013 10:04:45 PM 1128 Views
Re: some answers Isaac - 21/03/2013 11:33:21 PM 914 Views
Re: the NRA moondog - 22/03/2013 07:44:06 PM 752 Views
This is a matter of POV bias Isaac - 22/03/2013 09:04:25 PM 689 Views
we will have to agree to disagree then moondog - 22/03/2013 10:12:02 PM 744 Views
I already knew we disagreed, that's why I suggested bargaining Isaac - 22/03/2013 11:11:04 PM 743 Views
i am merely taking the NRA at their word(s) moondog - 23/03/2013 12:13:18 AM 684 Views
Re: i am merely taking the NRA at their word(s) Isaac - 23/03/2013 02:04:39 AM 942 Views
i am not trying to sway, just come to an understanding moondog - 23/03/2013 03:03:14 PM 904 Views
I think you've actually managed to widen our gap Isaac - 23/03/2013 03:53:55 PM 917 Views
yes, because it was a failed attempt to re-boot and start the debate from the beginning..... moondog - 24/03/2013 03:33:05 AM 1097 Views
I've difficulty seeing the point of going back to first principles but I'm willing to try Isaac - 24/03/2013 02:13:29 PM 738 Views
this has been more insightful than our previous tit-for-tat responses, actually moondog - 26/03/2013 07:40:27 PM 717 Views
There's always room for reaosnable dialogue Isaac - 26/03/2013 10:09:58 PM 1001 Views
even so, we are at yet another impasse.... moondog - 26/03/2013 11:37:04 PM 821 Views
Probably, I don't know why that surprises you Isaac - 27/03/2013 02:02:54 AM 686 Views
There are many more laws and regulations on the industry than you seem to be aware of. HyogaRott - 20/03/2013 03:58:19 PM 782 Views
the existing laws and how they are enforced are completely different problems moondog - 20/03/2013 05:32:31 PM 807 Views
I have no problems with actually enforcing existing laws, in fact I want to see that before new 1 *NM* HyogaRott - 21/03/2013 12:17:40 AM 405 Views
I can see the argument for limiting magazine capapcity but it would be hard to enforce random thoughts - 20/03/2013 05:11:51 PM 740 Views
as with most laws, some amount of grandfathering will probably be necessary moondog - 20/03/2013 05:34:57 PM 720 Views
It would be a stupid meaningless "feel good" law as changing magazines takes almost no time. *NM* HyogaRott - 21/03/2013 01:05:34 PM 394 Views
I can't argue that random thoughts - 21/03/2013 06:14:09 PM 743 Views
canada's magazine restrictions are credited with reducing fatalities in a mass shooting moondog - 21/03/2013 07:22:45 PM 816 Views
what is high capacity? random thoughts - 21/03/2013 11:09:09 PM 708 Views
according to the law, whatever is larger than the legal limit moondog - 21/03/2013 11:31:08 PM 735 Views
There is no gun control, only gun *centralization* Nighthawk - 20/03/2013 05:32:59 PM 771 Views
Regarding guns sold which are used in crimes Jeordam - 20/03/2013 10:41:21 PM 731 Views
Your specified legal requirements already exist. *NM* HyogaRott - 21/03/2013 02:05:12 AM 386 Views
So what other stipulations would you put into effect? *NM* Jeordam - 21/03/2013 02:42:53 AM 373 Views
none- I'd simply actually punish criminals instead of trying to "reform" them. *NM* HyogaRott - 21/03/2013 01:13:29 PM 387 Views
Criminals need to be punished AND reformed for their inevitable release back into society *NM* Nighthawk - 21/03/2013 11:58:20 PM 358 Views
I've always been rather partial to the criminal justice system in Heinlein's Starship Troopers novel HyogaRott - 22/03/2013 02:42:09 AM 814 Views
Yeah you're right. Let's just kill everybody who commits a crime Nighthawk - 22/03/2013 02:46:49 AM 750 Views
*NM* ironclad - 22/03/2013 10:55:36 AM 396 Views
That's not in Starship Troopers Isaac - 22/03/2013 12:51:44 PM 749 Views
Yeah, there was a small number of capital offenses (13 I think), most not specified. HyogaRott - 22/03/2013 05:27:11 PM 730 Views
So what's your solution? Smaller sentences? Or death penalty for everybody? Nighthawk - 22/03/2013 06:33:13 PM 732 Views
I don't have a truly viable one. I just have a bunch of ideas that no one would want to enact. HyogaRott - 24/03/2013 12:49:58 PM 738 Views
14 then, he lists stupidity as one in another book Isaac - 22/03/2013 07:35:13 PM 768 Views
That's why we NEED to reform prisoners Nighthawk - 22/03/2013 10:33:08 PM 698 Views
It is probably an option we should work harder to develop Isaac - 23/03/2013 12:38:33 AM 759 Views
Out of curiosity. Is anyone against background checks at gun shows, and if so, why? *NM* Ghavrel - 21/03/2013 09:38:59 AM 373 Views
Not in principle but somewhat in practice Isaac - 21/03/2013 11:25:25 AM 899 Views
For what its worth.... Jeordam - 21/03/2013 03:13:44 PM 711 Views
Personally, I am worried about criminals with guns. BUT... callandor1000 - 22/03/2013 03:44:47 PM 1030 Views
What you are not factoring into your though process is that most criminals feels the same way. HyogaRott - 24/03/2013 12:56:04 PM 1024 Views
I realize that can be the case. But... callandor1000 - 25/03/2013 03:32:59 PM 1000 Views
Twice I was almost robbed, and my parents were robbed several times. HyogaRott - 26/03/2013 01:35:11 PM 640 Views
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