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this was about regulation, it was not a new amendment. moondog Send a noteboard - 18/04/2013 08:41:12 PM

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Something from the constitution, namely the Second Amendment, I am quite happy that it takes 60 votes for it to pass the Senate. Definitely not normal circumstances.

certainly it would have been better to have more people on board, and there is no real reason why more should not have come on board to pass these laws. but this is not an amendment process, and under normal rules the majority decides if it passes. thanks to republican filibusters, everything requires 60 votes now, not just major legislation but cabinet appointees and pretty much everything else the senate deals with as well. the republican leadership in the senate has made no qualms about their agenda to thwart everything obama puts up, and since they don't have the votes to get their way they are abusing the rules of the senate to force inaction on everything under the sun. the will of 90% of the population should not be put in such a small number of hands.


I personally believe that you're too happy to throw the word coward around.

show me where i've said it in any other context and i will be happy to withdraw the statement. as it is, i'm pretty sure it's justified in this particular case. how else do you describe the inability to act on something which is backed by 90% of the population?


Perhaps cowardice is thinking that the other "side" has no merits to its arguments. Or perhaps cowardice is constantly belittling the other "side" from which one is on. Sadly the time of compromise and respect for one's fellows across the political spectrum seems to be gone. For now.

or perhaps "cowardice" is the ability to look the people in the eye who have been most affected by the lack of regulations on guns and tell them that even though they are supported by 90% of the populace, their concerns take second place to your own campaign donors and lobbyists. not to mention allowing the practice of illegal gun sales to continue for no rational reason. and allowing domestic abusers the right to keep their guns and retain the ability to murder their estranged partners

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/18/us/facing-protective-orders-and-allowed-to-keep-guns.html?pagewanted=all


To each his own and I know I won't convince you otherwise, but I maintain your arguments would come across better if you had been objective from the beginning and not come across as rabidly partisan. Left or right, extremism is rather boring to read.

if i ever run for and win a seat in the US senate, i will keep your words in mind. and if you wouldn't mind saying the same thing to our resident right wing partisan extremist views when they come up then i'll give them the respect they deserve. as it stands, the bill was already a compromise designed to reach the most senators. and my initial comment was never intended to convince anyone of anything but my own frustration at the lack of movement on even the most reasonable of regulations. the fact that you prefer not to hear it is hardly my problem.

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Obama embarrassed - Senate Gun Control Bill Fails..... Anonymous2000 - 18/04/2013 03:51:37 AM 926 Views
More importantly, they failed becasue it was just knee-jerk "must do something publicly" BS. HyogaRott - 18/04/2013 01:55:43 PM 491 Views
there is no law anywhere which can undo the past moondog - 18/04/2013 03:12:14 PM 448 Views
Let me rephrase... None of them could have prevented a FUTURE attack. HyogaRott - 18/04/2013 04:37:43 PM 991 Views
nothing can prevent future attacks. the goal is to stop criminals getting guns and reduce fatalities moondog - 18/04/2013 06:07:32 PM 390 Views
lol. I can't believe you made thatargument A Deathwatch Guard - 18/04/2013 08:46:45 PM 541 Views
EXACTLY, which is why all this legistation was garbage HyogaRott - 18/04/2013 08:47:35 PM 521 Views
that's right. because our right to be blown away trumps life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness moondog - 18/04/2013 09:06:32 PM 488 Views
Turn off your partisin blinders and listen to logic for once. HyogaRott - 19/04/2013 12:41:12 AM 484 Views
logic dictates that *ALL* gun sales be decided by background check moondog - 19/04/2013 10:27:50 PM 377 Views
Okay, if you say 'logic dictates' like that, you'd better present the actual logic stream Isaac - 20/04/2013 02:52:07 AM 478 Views
you won't accept evidence because you're ok with proliferation of guns to criminals moondog - 22/04/2013 07:31:32 PM 648 Views
More ranting and hyperbole Isaac - 22/04/2013 09:15:12 PM 523 Views
+1 - This is "feel good" legislation that accomplishes nothing..... *NM* Anonymous2000 - 18/04/2013 06:06:07 PM 267 Views
yep. republican obstructionism and cowardice knows no bounds.... moondog - 18/04/2013 03:07:46 PM 466 Views
ironclad - 18/04/2013 03:15:15 PM 521 Views
You're being rather partisan here. And wrong to denigrate Republicans. The Shrike - 18/04/2013 03:55:34 PM 543 Views
sorry, who is the minority party again? it's not the democrats moondog - 18/04/2013 06:19:43 PM 527 Views
moondog is funny when his side is losing..... Anonymous2000 - 18/04/2013 06:55:07 PM 427 Views
On legislation that seeks to restrict/reimagine/redefine The Shrike - 18/04/2013 07:30:47 PM 587 Views
this was about regulation, it was not a new amendment. moondog - 18/04/2013 08:41:12 PM 591 Views
perhaps you should discover a dictionary. HyogaRott - 18/04/2013 09:01:36 PM 485 Views
PPP, ABC, CNN, Rasmussen and Gallup are all similarly biased on background checks? sure.... *NM* moondog - 18/04/2013 09:16:28 PM 207 Views
WHAT!?!?!! you mean to tell me that news organizations are biased??? Nah! it can't be... HyogaRott - 19/04/2013 12:49:15 AM 415 Views
+1 - if you want to redesigned the 2nd amendment, do it via the constitutional amendment..... Anonymous2000 - 18/04/2013 09:09:35 PM 396 Views
a womans RIGHT to choose, but you don't have any problems with restrictions there moondog - 18/04/2013 09:21:14 PM 429 Views
The state has a law that requires Drs that perfom abortions have admitting priledges to a hospital. HyogaRott - 19/04/2013 12:47:41 AM 485 Views
they also tried to pass zoning laws which would have meant a complete remodel of the building moondog - 19/04/2013 10:35:03 PM 477 Views
Tried to pass infers that the said laws did not, thus are meningless. HyogaRott - 20/04/2013 05:11:59 AM 390 Views
I'm Pro-Choice dumbass..... *NM* Anonymous2000 - 19/04/2013 05:01:17 AM 200 Views
Well surprise, surprise, surprise, those amendments WERE debated, that's how they came up for a vote HyogaRott - 18/04/2013 08:53:40 PM 422 Views
and it's still the republican obstructionism which doomed them to failure moondog - 18/04/2013 09:07:51 PM 534 Views
I LOVE obstructionism when it stops stupid ideas. *NM* Anonymous2000 - 18/04/2013 09:10:54 PM 200 Views
well, you *are* the authority on stupid ideas, i'll give you that much! *NM* moondog - 19/04/2013 11:01:31 PM 203 Views
I'd forgotten, Democrats never filibuster Isaac - 18/04/2013 09:33:41 PM 487 Views
right, i forget republicans don't abuse the rules they are only preventing the gov't from working moondog - 18/04/2013 09:39:11 PM 397 Views
It bugs the hell out of me how you don't see that comment as being Dem/Rep interchangeable Isaac - 18/04/2013 11:38:26 PM 375 Views
That's because he is a partisan hack.....nothing more, nothing less. *NM* Anonymous2000 - 19/04/2013 05:02:36 AM 219 Views
before 2010, it only took 51 votes to pass the senate moondog - 19/04/2013 10:36:55 PM 401 Views
The higher usage of late is mostly Reid's fault Isaac - 20/04/2013 02:17:46 AM 703 Views
So does your ignorance on how your government process functions. HyogaRott - 18/04/2013 04:46:53 PM 433 Views
don't play dumb, you are better than that moondog - 18/04/2013 06:24:22 PM 413 Views
Nope, nope, nope and nope. A+ job on ignorantly parroting popular political talking poinits though HyogaRott - 18/04/2013 08:50:35 PM 487 Views
prove me wrong then, don't just post nothing *NM* moondog - 18/04/2013 09:08:35 PM 404 Views
Very Enlightened of you, "Agree with me or you're an Obstrucionist and Coward" *NM* Isaac - 18/04/2013 09:31:06 PM 236 Views
i am only acting on your advice to "call a spade a spade" moondog - 18/04/2013 09:42:22 PM 384 Views
No, you're venting anger by demeaning the opposition on grounds that your own side uses too Isaac - 18/04/2013 10:30:24 PM 549 Views
venting? yes. my "side"? i don't think you understand where i'm coming from moondog - 19/04/2013 10:56:28 PM 482 Views
If you don't want to be seen as partisan, don't attack republicans specifically and repeatedly Isaac - 20/04/2013 06:41:57 AM 502 Views
if you don't want republicans attacked, you should convince them to stop taking insane positions moondog - 22/04/2013 07:09:32 PM 514 Views
They're insane to you because they're from the GOP, you'd call it insane if we said water was wet Isaac - 22/04/2013 08:15:00 PM 909 Views
"an important" is not at all the same thing as "the most important." Aemon - 18/04/2013 04:10:47 PM 590 Views
I agree, BS polling like this (by either side) annoys me. HyogaRott - 18/04/2013 04:56:44 PM 377 Views
actually..... moondog - 18/04/2013 06:25:31 PM 524 Views
99.9 going once... 99.9 going twice... SOLD to the beady eyed farrot faced guy in the back row. HyogaRott - 18/04/2013 09:04:06 PM 437 Views
Statistics lie 0% of the time, people lie or see what they want to see 99% of the time *NM* Isaac - 18/04/2013 09:23:17 PM 210 Views
I don't know about that. Legolas - 18/04/2013 09:55:36 PM 420 Views
I think the difference is more than semantic in this case Isaac - 19/04/2013 12:11:04 AM 456 Views
It is a silly poll Isaac - 18/04/2013 09:21:25 PM 528 Views
I don't mind the poll, just the interpretation. Aemon - 18/04/2013 10:27:37 PM 520 Views
That's sort of the point, you don't poll about the other critters with the 900 pound gorilla around Isaac - 18/04/2013 11:46:00 PM 464 Views
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