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yes moondog Send a noteboard - 23/07/2014 05:04:58 PM

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View original postIsrael had a golden opportunity during the unilateral withdrawal in 2005 to prop up a faction which was not hamas when they retreated. instead they left hamas its own golden opportunity to seize power over fatah and the other factions, ending in the bloody takeover in 2007. at some point Israel needs to acknowledge that their actions are destroying a two-state solution to the conflict, and that it is in their best interests to be beneficent toward the Palestinians. after all, people who have nothing to lose are much more likely to turn to terrorist organizations like hamas, but if they have something to lose (like a stable life, food, water, etc) they are less likely to seek out violence as a solution to their problems. continuing the occupation and subjugation of the Palestinians just breeds more terrorism and more extremists, thus perpetuating the violence on both sides.

bibi also missed out another golden opportunity to diminish hamas by accepting the power arrangement of the Palestinian Authority, but instead he walked away and accelerated the settlement programs. There have been way too many missed opportunities by Israel to negotiate an actual peaceful arrangement at this point, especially if they continue to insist that all of the settled land is part of the official state of Israel. they can't have it both ways by pretending to be a partner in peace, then destroying any possibility of peace by expanding settlements and building bigger and stronger walls on the borders.


Because the first would not be the kiss of death for ANY Palestinian faction (remember when ARAFAT told them to lay down arms for is negotiated peace with Israel? Remember how well that did NOT work)? Israeli construction firms moving into Palestine for new building (necessarily overseen by armed IDF soldiers) would not prompt mass public hysteria about "occupation" and new Israeli settlements?

Palestine is its own country now; Israelis duty and "opportunity" to wet nurse ended with the two-state solution Palestinians demanded at gunpoint. This is basically suggesting Israel make Gaza a Palestinian kibutz: Tried that; failed disastrously, even with Palestinian Knesset ministers. Plus they have their own sovereign national government now; something tells me offering to make them an Israeli developed Israeli province with local autonomy would not work well.

Krauthammer has a point that—after decades of insisting Palestinians would build themselves a modern industrialized democracy if the IDF just stopped bulldozing their homes to build Israeli condos—they have instead simply built missile emplacements and tunnels into Israel. For people who wanted out of Israel badly enough to murder for it, they sure try hard to get BACK there—but to DESTROY rather than OBTAIN infrastructure.


yes of course -- all Palestinians are terrorists, obviously there is a reason they are still called the "Occupied Territories" after 40+ years, and i am pretty sure you know the reason but i will spell it out anyway. Israel never finalized the terms of the land seized in the 6-day war, and so anything and everything they have done to treat Gaza and the West Bank as their own territory is de facto illegal by international law. fortunately for Israel, they have the US to veto any and all criticisms and resolutions that come through the UN. however, at some point Israel must deal with the fact that they either need to finally and totally annex the Gaza Strip and West Bank, accepting the Palestinians as Israeli citizens (albeit with limited rights compared to the Jewish population); or they need to cede the land to the Palestinians and work towards maintaining peace with their new neighbors.

Israel cannot continue blowing the shit out of Gaza every few years and expect the Palestinians to just give up and go away. it hasn't worked for the last 40+ years, and it won't work for the next 40+ years either. since Israel is the one who supposedly controls this land it is incumbent on them to figure out how they want to deal with it. 80+ years of warfare is not going to bring them the peace they claim to want, it is only going to encourage more extremism and more radical terrorists than Hamas has been.

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