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"when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth" Joel Send a noteboard - 17/06/2015 10:02:00 AM

View original postSpontaneous all powerful beings are even more unlikely. The fact that we can not explain how organic life first began does not mean supernatural forces were at play. There theories for how it could have happed but since it will leave no fossil evidence and it happened several billions years ago and possibly not even on this planet it makes take a little while to nail down the exact mechanism. Just because we don't know why the mountain spews lava does need mean we need to assume it is an angry and toss a virgin down to keep him happy.

Because the impossible remains "more unlikely" than the improbable (and everything.) INDIVIDUAL abiogenic nitrogen bases are so uncommon we have only recently found ANY (NONE on the useful side of extreme temperature atmospheric entry.) But we are to believe they randomly spontaneously self-assembled into thousands and MILLIONS of MATCHED and CHAINED pairs? That is just the tornado in a junkyard again. The odds against bring us back to Many Worlds hypotheses, in turn bringing us back to untestable (since Many Worlds theories depend on each world being inherently undetectable in others, somehow declaring their chief flaw their chief virtue.)

Do not misunderstand: I have no objection to inverifiability as such—it simply precludes SCIENCE, except insofar as all metaphysical systems stand on at least one axiom (which is by untestable by definition.) Untestable conclusions can be sound, so many metaphysical systems include them—but sciences empiric premise FORBIDS (other) untestable unprovable conclusions. Neither theology nor science is obliged to play by the others rules, but each must abide by its OWN.

Since Cannoli earlier referenced Fred Hoyle, it is worth noting he rejected the Big Bang for the above stated reason (though cosmology is properly distinct from biology; on the other hand, that is why evolution is not part of Hoyles discipline but the Big Bang is at its literal core.) Though now deemed accepted science with overwhelming observational evidence yet attacked by religious fundamentalists, the Stephen Hawking of his generation ridiculed the Big Bangs introduction as an attempt to shoehorn Genesis' "let there be light" into legitimate science. Mainly because the First and Second Laws of Thermodynamics says inert matter REMAINS so perpetually.

The "conflict" between Christianity and science is a contrived false dichotomy: While Hoyle remains correct the Big Bangs stated initial conditions mandate a supernatural kickstart, there is no need for any subsequent supernatural event: However one feels about Gods existence, it is self-evident to everyone that any God who MAY exist made physics the universes operating system. Contestants in the science v. religion game thus do not contend for their own cause, because there is no need: They simply contend AGAINST their chosen opponents cause.

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