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What's your opinion on Lenin? Ghavrel Send a noteboard - 14/03/2017 02:06:59 AM

All but the most rabid and delusional fanatics recognize Stalin for the monster he was, but Lenin is generally sidelined in the discussion. Which is a shame, really, because I think he's much more interesting (and sympathetic, frankly, though I don't know much about Russian history at all).

And do you know any good books on the revolution and USSR in general?

"We feel safe when we read what we recognise, what does not challenge our way of thinking.... a steady acceptance of pre-arranged patterns leads to the inability to question what we are told."
~Camilla

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The February Revolution and Kerensky’s Missed Opportunity The Shrike - 13/03/2017 09:37:00 PM 867 Views
Fascinating stuff damookster - 13/03/2017 10:52:58 PM 460 Views
Who knows? It could have been worse off. The Shrike - 13/03/2017 11:37:54 PM 555 Views
What's your opinion on Lenin? Ghavrel - 14/03/2017 02:06:59 AM 506 Views
Lenin. A monster. The Shrike - 14/03/2017 12:55:18 PM 529 Views
Thanks. I'll ask him too. *NM* Ghavrel - 14/03/2017 03:01:36 PM 249 Views
Lenin, Stalin and Trotsky were all bloodthirsty mass murderers. Tom - 14/03/2017 08:59:06 PM 577 Views
That's fascinating. But give me a book recommendation! Ghavrel - 14/03/2017 09:15:57 PM 466 Views
Start with a general history of Russia The Shrike - 14/03/2017 10:17:22 PM 591 Views
Excellent. Thank you. It's next on the list. Ghavrel - 15/03/2017 02:11:14 AM 534 Views
Russian history is as depressing as they come. The Shrike - 15/03/2017 12:08:15 PM 526 Views
Read Figes first, I suppose. Tom - 14/03/2017 10:55:23 PM 493 Views
Thanks, Tom. I've been putting off reading good literature because of my unfamiliarity with Russia. *NM* Ghavrel - 15/03/2017 02:12:10 AM 237 Views
Which books have you put off reading? *NM* The Shrike - 15/03/2017 12:05:32 PM 223 Views
DEMONS and THE BROTHERS KARAMAZOV are the big two. Ghavrel - 15/03/2017 02:58:13 PM 483 Views
You don't necessarily need to know the history. The Shrike - 15/03/2017 03:15:38 PM 524 Views
I'm always afraid I'm missing something critical, though! Ghavrel - 15/03/2017 03:50:59 PM 470 Views
Annotations are amazing. My eBook version of War and Peace was the same. The Shrike - 15/03/2017 04:03:59 PM 490 Views
My High School English teacher neglected Russian literature. Ghavrel - 16/03/2017 01:46:29 AM 450 Views
Hmmmm. The Shrike - 16/03/2017 01:18:14 PM 491 Views
Tolstoy was a reprehensible human being Tom - 15/03/2017 04:02:52 PM 464 Views
I had no idea. I was under the impression he was deeply devout. Ghavrel - 16/03/2017 01:47:43 AM 488 Views
Here's one example: Tom - 16/03/2017 02:06:45 AM 486 Views
Good lord. The man sounds deranged. But that's fascinating! Is there a good biography on him? *NM* Ghavrel - 16/03/2017 07:50:10 AM 235 Views
Pavel Basinsky's bio is best Tom - 16/03/2017 02:46:47 PM 668 Views
Getting it now. Thanks. *NM* Ghavrel - 16/03/2017 11:06:25 PM 225 Views
For what it's worth, I read Lenin & Trotsky as genuine idealists, while Stalin as just a thug Cannoli - 15/03/2017 11:16:36 AM 553 Views
Didn't the 40k authors mainly crib from the Nazis, commissariat excepted? *NM* Ghavrel - 15/03/2017 03:00:17 PM 228 Views
I think that's entirely incorrect. Tom - 15/03/2017 04:00:54 PM 548 Views
Fascinating post. I so need to read up on Soviet history. And Russian history. *NM* Legolas - 15/03/2017 11:10:29 PM 237 Views
I didn't mean stupid or brutish, I meant more like a mafia don than a statesman Cannoli - 16/03/2017 12:18:34 PM 447 Views
Well if you want to completely redefine the phrase "just a thug", perhaps you're right Tom - 16/03/2017 02:43:38 PM 472 Views
Good point Cannoli - 16/03/2017 09:52:29 PM 600 Views
I hear what you're saying, but... Tom - 16/03/2017 11:53:19 PM 492 Views
Yeah, it doesn't really matter if the motive is purely power seeking, or revenge. *NM* Cannoli - 17/03/2017 12:57:19 AM 297 Views
Attempt at clarification Cannoli - 17/03/2017 12:55:03 AM 581 Views
Hehehe..."Fuck off" Tom - 19/03/2017 05:23:49 PM 526 Views
Seems kind of nonsensical Cannoli - 14/03/2017 01:33:49 AM 578 Views
Good reply. The Shrike - 14/03/2017 12:57:47 PM 565 Views
They weren't really wrong Cannoli - 14/03/2017 01:30:07 PM 586 Views
I do enjoy historical "what if" situations. LiterateDog - 14/03/2017 01:47:27 AM 472 Views
Hi there. The Shrike - 14/03/2017 01:02:44 PM 454 Views
I still think democracy among those insidiously intrusive Western values Russia resists so fiercely Joel - 14/03/2017 02:37:39 PM 571 Views
Is it your persistant anti-Russia bias that makes you so dogmatic? damookster - 14/03/2017 02:51:23 PM 481 Views
I have no problem with Russia, only its government Joel - 14/03/2017 03:07:14 PM 599 Views
Really? damookster - 14/03/2017 03:15:10 PM 507 Views
Look, we both know I consider your knowledge of Russia to be non-existent and that your own bias The Shrike - 14/03/2017 03:27:05 PM 536 Views
You are just stunningly stupid. Not merely ignorant, but stupid. Tom - 14/03/2017 08:35:00 PM 595 Views
Very interesting article. One thing that's struck me more and more about WW1 is... Legolas - 14/03/2017 06:34:14 PM 606 Views
Kerensky risked a revolution if he pulled Russia out of the war Tom - 14/03/2017 08:21:05 PM 486 Views
Re: Very interesting article. One thing that's struck me more and more about WW1 is... The Shrike - 15/03/2017 11:58:01 AM 450 Views
What a terrible article Tom - 14/03/2017 08:04:50 PM 470 Views
Your criticisms of the scholarship found in posted articles never fail to make me laugh. damookster - 14/03/2017 09:02:54 PM 516 Views
I don't think anyone's ever gotten an open peer review from me *NM* Tom - 14/03/2017 11:54:45 PM 219 Views
Too bad. I would seek it out just for the amusement factor. *NM* damookster - 15/03/2017 02:18:33 AM 223 Views
I thought you would think this way. The Shrike - 15/03/2017 12:04:57 PM 550 Views
I can't decide what I think about Evans Tom - 15/03/2017 04:10:05 PM 445 Views
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