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What's your opinion on Lenin? Ghavrel Send a noteboard - 14/03/2017 02:06:59 AM

All but the most rabid and delusional fanatics recognize Stalin for the monster he was, but Lenin is generally sidelined in the discussion. Which is a shame, really, because I think he's much more interesting (and sympathetic, frankly, though I don't know much about Russian history at all).

And do you know any good books on the revolution and USSR in general?

"We feel safe when we read what we recognise, what does not challenge our way of thinking.... a steady acceptance of pre-arranged patterns leads to the inability to question what we are told."
~Camilla

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The February Revolution and Kerensky’s Missed Opportunity The Shrike - 13/03/2017 09:37:00 PM 784 Views
Fascinating stuff damookster - 13/03/2017 10:52:58 PM 407 Views
Who knows? It could have been worse off. The Shrike - 13/03/2017 11:37:54 PM 498 Views
What's your opinion on Lenin? Ghavrel - 14/03/2017 02:06:59 AM 444 Views
Lenin. A monster. The Shrike - 14/03/2017 12:55:18 PM 474 Views
Thanks. I'll ask him too. *NM* Ghavrel - 14/03/2017 03:01:36 PM 227 Views
Lenin, Stalin and Trotsky were all bloodthirsty mass murderers. Tom - 14/03/2017 08:59:06 PM 498 Views
That's fascinating. But give me a book recommendation! Ghavrel - 14/03/2017 09:15:57 PM 411 Views
Start with a general history of Russia The Shrike - 14/03/2017 10:17:22 PM 523 Views
Excellent. Thank you. It's next on the list. Ghavrel - 15/03/2017 02:11:14 AM 477 Views
Russian history is as depressing as they come. The Shrike - 15/03/2017 12:08:15 PM 468 Views
Read Figes first, I suppose. Tom - 14/03/2017 10:55:23 PM 430 Views
Thanks, Tom. I've been putting off reading good literature because of my unfamiliarity with Russia. *NM* Ghavrel - 15/03/2017 02:12:10 AM 212 Views
Which books have you put off reading? *NM* The Shrike - 15/03/2017 12:05:32 PM 199 Views
DEMONS and THE BROTHERS KARAMAZOV are the big two. Ghavrel - 15/03/2017 02:58:13 PM 420 Views
You don't necessarily need to know the history. The Shrike - 15/03/2017 03:15:38 PM 454 Views
I'm always afraid I'm missing something critical, though! Ghavrel - 15/03/2017 03:50:59 PM 407 Views
Annotations are amazing. My eBook version of War and Peace was the same. The Shrike - 15/03/2017 04:03:59 PM 427 Views
My High School English teacher neglected Russian literature. Ghavrel - 16/03/2017 01:46:29 AM 387 Views
Hmmmm. The Shrike - 16/03/2017 01:18:14 PM 427 Views
Tolstoy was a reprehensible human being Tom - 15/03/2017 04:02:52 PM 409 Views
I had no idea. I was under the impression he was deeply devout. Ghavrel - 16/03/2017 01:47:43 AM 422 Views
Here's one example: Tom - 16/03/2017 02:06:45 AM 428 Views
Good lord. The man sounds deranged. But that's fascinating! Is there a good biography on him? *NM* Ghavrel - 16/03/2017 07:50:10 AM 210 Views
Pavel Basinsky's bio is best Tom - 16/03/2017 02:46:47 PM 592 Views
Getting it now. Thanks. *NM* Ghavrel - 16/03/2017 11:06:25 PM 203 Views
For what it's worth, I read Lenin & Trotsky as genuine idealists, while Stalin as just a thug Cannoli - 15/03/2017 11:16:36 AM 480 Views
Didn't the 40k authors mainly crib from the Nazis, commissariat excepted? *NM* Ghavrel - 15/03/2017 03:00:17 PM 202 Views
I think that's entirely incorrect. Tom - 15/03/2017 04:00:54 PM 492 Views
Fascinating post. I so need to read up on Soviet history. And Russian history. *NM* Legolas - 15/03/2017 11:10:29 PM 213 Views
I didn't mean stupid or brutish, I meant more like a mafia don than a statesman Cannoli - 16/03/2017 12:18:34 PM 378 Views
Well if you want to completely redefine the phrase "just a thug", perhaps you're right Tom - 16/03/2017 02:43:38 PM 408 Views
Good point Cannoli - 16/03/2017 09:52:29 PM 538 Views
I hear what you're saying, but... Tom - 16/03/2017 11:53:19 PM 433 Views
Yeah, it doesn't really matter if the motive is purely power seeking, or revenge. *NM* Cannoli - 17/03/2017 12:57:19 AM 268 Views
Attempt at clarification Cannoli - 17/03/2017 12:55:03 AM 509 Views
Hehehe..."Fuck off" Tom - 19/03/2017 05:23:49 PM 443 Views
Seems kind of nonsensical Cannoli - 14/03/2017 01:33:49 AM 508 Views
Good reply. The Shrike - 14/03/2017 12:57:47 PM 488 Views
They weren't really wrong Cannoli - 14/03/2017 01:30:07 PM 523 Views
I do enjoy historical "what if" situations. LiterateDog - 14/03/2017 01:47:27 AM 421 Views
Hi there. The Shrike - 14/03/2017 01:02:44 PM 390 Views
I still think democracy among those insidiously intrusive Western values Russia resists so fiercely Joel - 14/03/2017 02:37:39 PM 497 Views
Is it your persistant anti-Russia bias that makes you so dogmatic? damookster - 14/03/2017 02:51:23 PM 426 Views
I have no problem with Russia, only its government Joel - 14/03/2017 03:07:14 PM 524 Views
Really? damookster - 14/03/2017 03:15:10 PM 448 Views
Look, we both know I consider your knowledge of Russia to be non-existent and that your own bias The Shrike - 14/03/2017 03:27:05 PM 476 Views
You are just stunningly stupid. Not merely ignorant, but stupid. Tom - 14/03/2017 08:35:00 PM 538 Views
Very interesting article. One thing that's struck me more and more about WW1 is... Legolas - 14/03/2017 06:34:14 PM 533 Views
Kerensky risked a revolution if he pulled Russia out of the war Tom - 14/03/2017 08:21:05 PM 414 Views
Re: Very interesting article. One thing that's struck me more and more about WW1 is... The Shrike - 15/03/2017 11:58:01 AM 392 Views
What a terrible article Tom - 14/03/2017 08:04:50 PM 399 Views
Your criticisms of the scholarship found in posted articles never fail to make me laugh. damookster - 14/03/2017 09:02:54 PM 447 Views
I don't think anyone's ever gotten an open peer review from me *NM* Tom - 14/03/2017 11:54:45 PM 196 Views
Too bad. I would seek it out just for the amusement factor. *NM* damookster - 15/03/2017 02:18:33 AM 200 Views
I thought you would think this way. The Shrike - 15/03/2017 12:04:57 PM 479 Views
I can't decide what I think about Evans Tom - 15/03/2017 04:10:05 PM 391 Views
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