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I have no problem with Russia, only its government Joel Send a noteboard - 14/03/2017 03:07:14 PM

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Or are papal-like pronouncements your normal response?

The point of "what-if" historical speculation is that we don't know at all how things might have been different. At least Cannoli provided valid historical reasons for why he believed the premise of the article was flawed. Your reply, on the other hand, is the equivalent of saying, "well Germans are warmongers so nothing would have changed."


Although Cannolis observation that in WW I Germany "'Germany' has little to do with the decisions being made" applies equally well to Russia. The main difference is that the Allies pursued a thorough and lengthy re-education campaign in both Germany and Japan after WW II, specifically to make the next generation of citizens capable of self-government. Russia is not there yet, let alone a century ago.
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The February Revolution and Kerensky’s Missed Opportunity The Shrike - 13/03/2017 09:37:00 PM 882 Views
Fascinating stuff damookster - 13/03/2017 10:52:58 PM 470 Views
Who knows? It could have been worse off. The Shrike - 13/03/2017 11:37:54 PM 567 Views
What's your opinion on Lenin? Ghavrel - 14/03/2017 02:06:59 AM 520 Views
Lenin. A monster. The Shrike - 14/03/2017 12:55:18 PM 540 Views
Thanks. I'll ask him too. *NM* Ghavrel - 14/03/2017 03:01:36 PM 255 Views
Lenin, Stalin and Trotsky were all bloodthirsty mass murderers. Tom - 14/03/2017 08:59:06 PM 590 Views
That's fascinating. But give me a book recommendation! Ghavrel - 14/03/2017 09:15:57 PM 478 Views
Start with a general history of Russia The Shrike - 14/03/2017 10:17:22 PM 602 Views
Excellent. Thank you. It's next on the list. Ghavrel - 15/03/2017 02:11:14 AM 544 Views
Russian history is as depressing as they come. The Shrike - 15/03/2017 12:08:15 PM 538 Views
Read Figes first, I suppose. Tom - 14/03/2017 10:55:23 PM 504 Views
Thanks, Tom. I've been putting off reading good literature because of my unfamiliarity with Russia. *NM* Ghavrel - 15/03/2017 02:12:10 AM 241 Views
Which books have you put off reading? *NM* The Shrike - 15/03/2017 12:05:32 PM 232 Views
DEMONS and THE BROTHERS KARAMAZOV are the big two. Ghavrel - 15/03/2017 02:58:13 PM 500 Views
You don't necessarily need to know the history. The Shrike - 15/03/2017 03:15:38 PM 532 Views
I'm always afraid I'm missing something critical, though! Ghavrel - 15/03/2017 03:50:59 PM 478 Views
Annotations are amazing. My eBook version of War and Peace was the same. The Shrike - 15/03/2017 04:03:59 PM 499 Views
My High School English teacher neglected Russian literature. Ghavrel - 16/03/2017 01:46:29 AM 464 Views
Hmmmm. The Shrike - 16/03/2017 01:18:14 PM 507 Views
Tolstoy was a reprehensible human being Tom - 15/03/2017 04:02:52 PM 474 Views
I had no idea. I was under the impression he was deeply devout. Ghavrel - 16/03/2017 01:47:43 AM 502 Views
Here's one example: Tom - 16/03/2017 02:06:45 AM 495 Views
Good lord. The man sounds deranged. But that's fascinating! Is there a good biography on him? *NM* Ghavrel - 16/03/2017 07:50:10 AM 239 Views
Pavel Basinsky's bio is best Tom - 16/03/2017 02:46:47 PM 682 Views
Getting it now. Thanks. *NM* Ghavrel - 16/03/2017 11:06:25 PM 231 Views
For what it's worth, I read Lenin & Trotsky as genuine idealists, while Stalin as just a thug Cannoli - 15/03/2017 11:16:36 AM 567 Views
Didn't the 40k authors mainly crib from the Nazis, commissariat excepted? *NM* Ghavrel - 15/03/2017 03:00:17 PM 232 Views
I think that's entirely incorrect. Tom - 15/03/2017 04:00:54 PM 565 Views
Fascinating post. I so need to read up on Soviet history. And Russian history. *NM* Legolas - 15/03/2017 11:10:29 PM 242 Views
I didn't mean stupid or brutish, I meant more like a mafia don than a statesman Cannoli - 16/03/2017 12:18:34 PM 461 Views
Well if you want to completely redefine the phrase "just a thug", perhaps you're right Tom - 16/03/2017 02:43:38 PM 484 Views
Good point Cannoli - 16/03/2017 09:52:29 PM 613 Views
I hear what you're saying, but... Tom - 16/03/2017 11:53:19 PM 505 Views
Yeah, it doesn't really matter if the motive is purely power seeking, or revenge. *NM* Cannoli - 17/03/2017 12:57:19 AM 301 Views
Attempt at clarification Cannoli - 17/03/2017 12:55:03 AM 594 Views
Hehehe..."Fuck off" Tom - 19/03/2017 05:23:49 PM 538 Views
Seems kind of nonsensical Cannoli - 14/03/2017 01:33:49 AM 590 Views
Good reply. The Shrike - 14/03/2017 12:57:47 PM 580 Views
They weren't really wrong Cannoli - 14/03/2017 01:30:07 PM 596 Views
I do enjoy historical "what if" situations. LiterateDog - 14/03/2017 01:47:27 AM 485 Views
Hi there. The Shrike - 14/03/2017 01:02:44 PM 468 Views
I still think democracy among those insidiously intrusive Western values Russia resists so fiercely Joel - 14/03/2017 02:37:39 PM 581 Views
Is it your persistant anti-Russia bias that makes you so dogmatic? damookster - 14/03/2017 02:51:23 PM 489 Views
I have no problem with Russia, only its government Joel - 14/03/2017 03:07:14 PM 612 Views
Really? damookster - 14/03/2017 03:15:10 PM 517 Views
Look, we both know I consider your knowledge of Russia to be non-existent and that your own bias The Shrike - 14/03/2017 03:27:05 PM 544 Views
You are just stunningly stupid. Not merely ignorant, but stupid. Tom - 14/03/2017 08:35:00 PM 607 Views
Very interesting article. One thing that's struck me more and more about WW1 is... Legolas - 14/03/2017 06:34:14 PM 619 Views
Kerensky risked a revolution if he pulled Russia out of the war Tom - 14/03/2017 08:21:05 PM 502 Views
Re: Very interesting article. One thing that's struck me more and more about WW1 is... The Shrike - 15/03/2017 11:58:01 AM 458 Views
What a terrible article Tom - 14/03/2017 08:04:50 PM 478 Views
Your criticisms of the scholarship found in posted articles never fail to make me laugh. damookster - 14/03/2017 09:02:54 PM 524 Views
I don't think anyone's ever gotten an open peer review from me *NM* Tom - 14/03/2017 11:54:45 PM 223 Views
Too bad. I would seek it out just for the amusement factor. *NM* damookster - 15/03/2017 02:18:33 AM 229 Views
I thought you would think this way. The Shrike - 15/03/2017 12:04:57 PM 561 Views
I can't decide what I think about Evans Tom - 15/03/2017 04:10:05 PM 458 Views
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