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the problem with your friend is the "southern evangelical christian" part moondog Send a noteboard - 17/01/2010 09:07:02 AM
She once told me that she believes I should turn to Christ if I want to save my soul, and that I wont go to heaven in her eyes even if I am a nice person because I dont except Jesus as my savior and what not.


i knew a born-again baptist (probably holding the same beliefs as your friend) who told me the exact same thing. that it doesn't matter if you live your life according to the teachings of jesus if you never accept jesus as your personal savior blah blah blah. in other words, if you don't believe in jesus, it doesn't matter if you do good in the world or not because you'll automatically go straight to hell whether you believe in the christian afterlife or not :rolleyes:

anyway, i find it interesting that what originally started as a diversionary issue has become such a big civil rights discussion. i have to agree with some of the analysis on the supreme court decision: whether or not the supreme court strikes down the marriage bans at this stage of the game, it will be difficult to get the nation to accept the decision because there is such strong division on the issue.

i don't understand the rationale behind the opposition except that they hate homosexuality for some reason, and legitimizing it by allowing gay marriage is basically shaking their belief structure to the core. i also think that because it's such a strongly divisive issue right now, that the opposition is going to rationalize any fringe issue to deny gay marriage and make it such a scary thing to people who might be on the fence about it....
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I may have lost a friend over same sex marriage - 17/01/2010 08:03:26 AM 1482 Views
the problem with your friend is the "southern evangelical christian" part - 17/01/2010 09:07:02 AM 793 Views
They believe gay marriage is ongoing unrepentant sin. - 17/01/2010 12:04:58 PM 787 Views
God your a moron. - 17/01/2010 09:10:17 PM 741 Views
be nice - 18/01/2010 06:26:58 AM 646 Views
<shrug> They can believe that all that they like - 18/01/2010 08:07:28 PM 699 Views
And live accordingly. Just like everyone else. - 18/01/2010 11:10:51 PM 701 Views
Re: And live accordingly. Just like everyone else. - 20/01/2010 10:40:36 PM 652 Views
It is, I believe, hardest for the intelligent educated man. - 21/01/2010 10:29:39 AM 787 Views
You can't use logic in an irrational argument. - 17/01/2010 10:12:11 AM 685 Views
LOL... *NM* - 18/01/2010 05:21:14 AM 378 Views
You and Adam are being equally unconstructive. - 18/01/2010 06:21:45 AM 600 Views
why do you imply "constructive" is in anyway the intent? *NM* - 18/01/2010 06:32:27 AM 295 Views
*shrug* I never stopped believing in lost causes? - 18/01/2010 07:36:04 AM 602 Views
Re: You can't use logic in an irrational argument. - 18/01/2010 06:28:41 AM 740 Views
Always welcome. - 18/01/2010 07:31:27 AM 846 Views
We finally converted you - 17/01/2010 08:43:25 PM 626 Views
Not much of a friend then. Good ridance to bad friends. *NM* - 17/01/2010 08:51:02 PM 438 Views
I agree. A friend who can't respect differences of opinion is no friend at all. *NM* - 17/01/2010 09:11:33 PM 298 Views
seriously. *NM* - 17/01/2010 10:46:17 PM 255 Views
Only because such sentiment is my pet peeve...condemning exclusivity is hypocritical. *NM* - 19/01/2010 12:37:37 AM 321 Views
yeah no kidding - 18/01/2010 06:30:45 AM 609 Views
It forces other people to accept THEIR ideology that same sex unions are legitimate. - 18/01/2010 01:49:20 AM 786 Views
I would assume, then, that you don't support any government-mandated health care? - 18/01/2010 02:07:40 AM 602 Views
Correct - 18/01/2010 04:29:04 AM 688 Views
Although I disagree with the vast majority of your arguments, - 18/01/2010 08:50:09 AM 666 Views
Thank you. - 20/01/2010 01:47:34 AM 830 Views
Please tell me you have a source for that quotation. Other than me. - 21/01/2010 12:31:27 PM 699 Views
It's GK Chesterton! What the hell are you going on about? - 27/01/2010 02:41:00 AM 573 Views
Link? - 27/01/2010 09:28:22 AM 672 Views
I can't find a link to the exact quote - 27/01/2010 12:14:19 PM 779 Views
Re: Link? - 27/01/2010 01:38:36 PM 799 Views
Perhaps we should define our terms more precisely. - 15/02/2010 11:28:09 AM 1174 Views
we do not exist in a free market. - 18/01/2010 04:09:37 AM 615 Views
And that's bad. Since when has the correct response to oppression been "accept further oppression"? *NM* - 18/01/2010 04:30:44 AM 303 Views
I am simply pointing out your arguments do not apply to the present economic environment. - 18/01/2010 04:46:04 AM 565 Views
No I am not. - 19/01/2010 10:44:31 PM 696 Views
That's utter nonsense. - 18/01/2010 04:19:57 AM 644 Views
Re: That's utter nonsense. - 18/01/2010 04:41:27 AM 663 Views
civil marriages DO have a purpose. - 18/01/2010 04:49:12 AM 639 Views
Re: civil marriages DO have a purpose. - 19/01/2010 10:47:18 PM 704 Views
Re: That's utter nonsense. - 18/01/2010 07:13:54 AM 651 Views
Re: That's utter nonsense. - 19/01/2010 10:59:45 PM 611 Views
Re: That's utter nonsense. - 18/01/2010 07:15:50 AM 742 Views
Re: That's utter nonsense. - 20/01/2010 01:38:37 AM 533 Views
Are you at all surprised? - 18/01/2010 07:59:30 AM 634 Views
A truly free country means I don't have the freedom to shoot you - 18/01/2010 05:57:44 AM 731 Views
You really said nothing, right there. - 18/01/2010 08:34:33 AM 685 Views
I presume you are equally against the current set up - 18/01/2010 12:31:33 PM 716 Views
He said as much in his response to me above. *NM* - 18/01/2010 09:37:49 PM 243 Views
That's such an amusing argument - 18/01/2010 08:17:15 PM 599 Views
I'm against people with pasta based nicknames on fantasy forums *NM* - 19/01/2010 03:03:31 PM 263 Views
cannoli is a pastry *NM* - 19/01/2010 07:25:04 PM 239 Views
I have no problem with people with pastry based names, just pasta - 21/01/2010 12:28:44 AM 566 Views
I can't help but find it funny - 18/01/2010 12:51:57 PM 581 Views
So... - 18/01/2010 03:39:33 PM 725 Views
I think you missed who was the one to walk out - 18/01/2010 04:11:05 PM 605 Views
you acept your friends with their warts or you don't - 18/01/2010 06:45:13 PM 709 Views
I think you missed who was the one to walk out *NM* - 18/01/2010 08:01:25 PM 223 Views
I don't think it was that clear - 18/01/2010 10:01:32 PM 633 Views
I don't think it is all that clear yet, either - 18/01/2010 10:27:54 PM 664 Views
I wasn't taking sides - 18/01/2010 10:57:39 PM 544 Views

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