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See, that's the debate here... Jeordam Send a noteboard - 27/01/2010 06:03:01 PM
If she had "chosen" differently there would be no Tim. But the key word here is choice. Personally, if I got pregnant now (impossible cuz I'm fixed) I would keep the baby. I have two children now. But if my daughter gets pregnant as a teenager I want her to be able to choose what is right for her.


It isn't a "choice"...its an actual person. You say that there wouldn't be a Tim. I beg to differ. What do you think is put into that biohazard bag? Tim was already alive...heart beating, mind thinking, respiration, cellular activity....alive. You speak of the hypothetical situation where your daughter gets pregnant...and you want her to be able to "choose what is right for her."

What about is right for your grandchild? Don't you think that their life is worth something?

~Jeordam
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Saving the Princess, Humanity, or the World-Entire since 1985
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Anti-Abortion CBS Super Bowl commercial lil lady - 27/01/2010 05:35:37 PM 1689 Views
I think that its a fantastic idea... Jeordam - 27/01/2010 05:46:17 PM 976 Views
agreed... somewhat. lil lady - 27/01/2010 05:52:26 PM 905 Views
See, that's the debate here... Jeordam - 27/01/2010 06:03:01 PM 721 Views
depending on the developmental stage, an embryo might be nothign more than a clump of cells. LadyLorraine - 27/01/2010 07:18:25 PM 593 Views
You make baby Allah cry. *NM* LiterateDog - 27/01/2010 07:58:01 PM 459 Views
was it the dog comparison? LadyLorraine - 27/01/2010 07:59:22 PM 774 Views
Nah, Dog is God reversed, after all. LiterateDog - 27/01/2010 08:29:12 PM 718 Views
parasites! parasites i say!!! LadyLorraine - 27/01/2010 08:37:53 PM 738 Views
yeah except islam allows abortion in certain conditions Aisha - 28/01/2010 05:43:29 AM 719 Views
Do those conditions include "I don't want a baby"? beckstcw - 28/01/2010 11:52:24 PM 951 Views
some scholars say yes, some say no Aisha - 29/01/2010 05:51:18 AM 843 Views
Shall we be technical.... Jeordam - 27/01/2010 09:28:20 PM 721 Views
And since when are you a trained eye? LadyLorraine - 27/01/2010 09:52:05 PM 838 Views
A valid question Jeordam - 27/01/2010 10:07:16 PM 714 Views
Okay then, that's fair enough LadyLorraine - 27/01/2010 10:48:10 PM 718 Views
If there's a chance the mother might die... LadyLorraine - 27/01/2010 07:30:54 PM 794 Views
What if the "real" preson is an asshole? I'd gamble on the baby who has the potential to not be. Cannoli - 27/01/2010 08:44:57 PM 689 Views
I wasn't commenting on the commercial, I did that further below. LadyLorraine - 27/01/2010 08:59:17 PM 708 Views
Which is why I'm against elective abortion Jeordam - 27/01/2010 09:33:59 PM 744 Views
Then we are in accord. LadyLorraine - 27/01/2010 10:00:32 PM 749 Views
That works.... Jeordam - 27/01/2010 10:10:22 PM 755 Views
And I think that is wonderful. LadyLorraine - 27/01/2010 10:33:05 PM 843 Views
I want to see an atheism Superbowl ad beetnemesis - 27/01/2010 06:21:02 PM 817 Views
Re: I want to see an atheism Superbowl ad lil lady - 27/01/2010 06:35:30 PM 765 Views
Go ahead and pay for one.... Jeordam - 27/01/2010 06:37:18 PM 867 Views
beetnemesis - 27/01/2010 07:01:59 PM 793 Views
at your Jeordam - 27/01/2010 07:03:39 PM 734 Views
how does atheism take anything away? LadyLorraine - 27/01/2010 07:20:49 PM 761 Views
Exactly Brian - 27/01/2010 07:29:49 PM 752 Views
Smiles.... Jeordam - 27/01/2010 09:38:25 PM 728 Views
just because you believe in god LadyLorraine - 27/01/2010 09:57:39 PM 616 Views
losing, not loosing *NM* Brian - 27/01/2010 10:22:51 PM 464 Views
Re: Smiles.... lyringlas - 29/01/2010 09:03:48 PM 688 Views
LOL It only "takes away" mental enslavement. LiterateDog - 27/01/2010 07:50:56 PM 744 Views
Who says? Jeordam - 27/01/2010 09:42:07 PM 734 Views
You're not "open" to anything. LiterateDog - 27/01/2010 10:02:03 PM 872 Views
I don't need your sadness dude...or your pity. Jeordam - 27/01/2010 10:19:43 PM 755 Views
Personally speaking Brian - 27/01/2010 10:36:45 PM 786 Views
Although off topic that's exactly how I see it too. *NM* ironclad - 27/01/2010 10:43:49 PM 460 Views
But notice your perspective Brian... Jeordam - 27/01/2010 11:08:52 PM 861 Views
Your argument assumes in the existance of the Christian God. LadyLorraine - 27/01/2010 11:28:16 PM 731 Views
Because we're His children beckstcw - 28/01/2010 01:08:20 AM 755 Views
My perspective as someone who is for the most part an Atheist? Brian - 28/01/2010 01:13:02 AM 665 Views
You have a very odd and self-serving notion of what "open" is. LiterateDog - 28/01/2010 12:12:06 AM 4093 Views
Tolerance much? snoopcester - 27/01/2010 08:11:12 PM 793 Views
I took care of that. LiterateDog - 27/01/2010 08:33:18 PM 786 Views
Don't read an emotion into that I didn't put into it. Jeordam - 27/01/2010 09:44:37 PM 591 Views
Oh, well there are examples. Google those ads I mentioned beetnemesis - 27/01/2010 11:24:10 PM 593 Views
all athesim means is not believing in deities 9_9 LadyLorraine - 27/01/2010 11:30:37 PM 598 Views
Your comment is rude and narrow minded. Regardless of what emotion you feel snoopcester - 28/01/2010 03:20:11 PM 752 Views
Fortunately, positivity doesn't appear to be the qualifying characteristic Sareitha Sedai - 27/01/2010 08:26:28 PM 695 Views
Well there is a difference between... Jeordam - 27/01/2010 09:47:36 PM 894 Views
The fact is that it was a positive message, whether you agreed with it or not. Sareitha Sedai - 27/01/2010 09:52:47 PM 750 Views
Says the Protestant. Ghavrel - 27/01/2010 11:22:05 PM 750 Views
What is the UCC? *NM* Tashmere - 29/01/2010 02:59:07 AM 483 Views
United Church of Christ Sareitha Sedai - 29/01/2010 02:24:11 PM 643 Views
I don't think it is the same thing random thoughts - 27/01/2010 07:17:19 PM 608 Views
I wasn't making an argument- just that it'd be interesting beetnemesis - 27/01/2010 08:11:57 PM 589 Views
that I can agree with random thoughts - 27/01/2010 08:27:30 PM 687 Views
Re: I think that its a fantastic idea... callandor1000 - 28/01/2010 03:36:11 AM 711 Views
Followed by an add of all the babies that should have been aborted? *NM* Helene - 29/01/2010 05:53:43 PM 485 Views
Hey whatever they want to pay for PhoenixReborn - 27/01/2010 05:52:11 PM 777 Views
Hahahaha... I couldn't care less, but this line cracked me up beetnemesis - 27/01/2010 06:19:37 PM 793 Views
wow...I didn't even think of that... Jeordam - 27/01/2010 06:39:04 PM 737 Views
Heh. *NM* Tashmere - 28/01/2010 10:43:43 PM 458 Views
I think they need to treat all sides the same random thoughts - 27/01/2010 06:49:47 PM 732 Views
agreed *NM* ironclad - 27/01/2010 07:15:48 PM 467 Views
this. *NM* Avendesora - 28/01/2010 01:33:01 AM 417 Views
whether you agree with Tebow or not... damookster - 27/01/2010 06:51:58 PM 762 Views
I don't think there'd be a problem if it wasn't the Super Bowl LadyLorraine - 27/01/2010 07:35:18 PM 707 Views
The problem is the hyprocrisy of CBS. LiterateDog - 27/01/2010 07:56:58 PM 840 Views
Bingo. Sareitha Sedai - 27/01/2010 07:58:01 PM 612 Views
And they claim this is the result of you liberal types pissing and moaning. Cannoli - 27/01/2010 08:40:57 PM 694 Views
Yeah, I'm sure that's it. LiterateDog - 27/01/2010 08:44:26 PM 584 Views
"the buggery agenda" LadyLorraine - 27/01/2010 08:47:28 PM 725 Views
I know, I loved it! I might start using that instead of Fagenda. *NM* LiterateDog - 27/01/2010 09:03:53 PM 488 Views
You might need to rework titles too. "Most Buggered", "Her Buggerness" LadyLorraine - 27/01/2010 09:06:44 PM 861 Views
this commercial is only a big deal to those Hobgoblin - 27/01/2010 07:59:27 PM 781 Views
I really, really hope a pro-choice group buys the next ad space snoopcester - 27/01/2010 08:09:16 PM 829 Views
Replace Hitler with Ben Affleck and I'd help pay for it. Brian - 27/01/2010 08:12:25 PM 603 Views
that's funny enough it'd pay for itself LadyLorraine - 27/01/2010 08:13:31 PM 696 Views
That would work also. The main thing is to pick someone who has committed crimes against humanity snoopcester - 28/01/2010 10:57:28 AM 548 Views
But how would you folks argue on the internet then? I'd still have Stalin... *NM* Cannoli - 27/01/2010 08:49:17 PM 440 Views
I'm sure people could think of something *NM* LadyLorraine - 27/01/2010 09:00:23 PM 337 Views
LMAO! that would be awesome *NM* Aisha - 28/01/2010 12:02:25 AM 487 Views
The funny thing is Sareitha Sedai - 27/01/2010 08:28:22 PM 906 Views
Oh no you di'in't! Tigr - 27/01/2010 08:54:47 PM 517 Views
I had a similar thought... TaskmasterJack - 27/01/2010 10:17:15 PM 712 Views
*NM* Avendesora - 28/01/2010 01:12:46 AM 417 Views
*brain explodes* Joel - 27/01/2010 08:30:51 PM 609 Views
are your sinuses clear now? *NM* random thoughts - 27/01/2010 08:54:18 PM 425 Views
Oddly enough, they aren't. Joel - 27/01/2010 08:59:27 PM 764 Views
thats what you get for living in the hill country random thoughts - 27/01/2010 09:10:09 PM 682 Views
Not my idea, and I'm working on it. Joel - 28/01/2010 12:36:17 AM 708 Views
the super bowl is no place for political messages, no matter how thinly veiled. moondog - 28/01/2010 05:15:13 AM 619 Views
Are you saying that CBS should be required to run an opposing ad? *NM* beckstcw - 28/01/2010 05:19:39 AM 415 Views
if they are going to approve a political message, they should be required to air the opposite view moondog - 28/01/2010 05:27:33 AM 607 Views
I'm pretty strongly pro-choice and even I find that silly. *NM* Ghavrel - 28/01/2010 06:55:37 AM 469 Views
What kind of ad would they run in response? beckstcw - 28/01/2010 11:50:10 PM 744 Views
more like.... moondog - 29/01/2010 03:20:24 AM 857 Views
The problem with Pro-Choice is... Silence_DoGood - 28/01/2010 02:12:13 PM 718 Views
Not really a fair comment snoopcester - 28/01/2010 02:44:21 PM 699 Views
Re: Not really a fair comment Silence_DoGood - 28/01/2010 03:27:03 PM 809 Views
I can't see Youtube at work and am out the next couple of nights so I can't see it till the weekend snoopcester - 28/01/2010 03:36:48 PM 591 Views
I know you were going to tell me that it was slanted... Silence_DoGood - 28/01/2010 03:57:37 PM 741 Views
That is unfair on me snoopcester - 28/01/2010 04:18:07 PM 732 Views
Sorry...wasn't trying to be unfair.... Silence_DoGood - 28/01/2010 04:34:18 PM 796 Views
Apology accepted snoopcester - 28/01/2010 04:52:39 PM 579 Views
...which is yet another argument for publicly funded healthcare Floffe - 28/01/2010 03:46:25 PM 601 Views
Re: ...which is yet another argument for publicly funded healthcare Silence_DoGood - 28/01/2010 04:03:46 PM 707 Views
An unfortunate choice of words.... Jeordam - 28/01/2010 07:00:18 PM 594 Views
I don't think it's so much a matter of supplying misleading information, Rebekah - 28/01/2010 11:07:24 PM 687 Views
Ah, snoopcester - 29/01/2010 02:51:22 PM 699 Views
No. Rebekah - 29/01/2010 06:10:47 PM 791 Views
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