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If there's a chance the mother might die... LadyLorraine Send a noteboard - 27/01/2010 07:30:54 PM
then you have to make a decision between the possibility to lose two people (one of whom is a fully developed person entrenched in society with relationships, personal history, etc...etc...) or only losing a mass of cells that there is no attachment to other than biological drive and "oh but what might have been!!"

So yes...the mother's decision allowed for "Tim" to be born. But what if she had died before carrying to term? his mother would have been gone and quite possibly Tim as well, leading to a more tragic ending.

There is too many factors to declare that abortion be declared illegal. The government should not demand people sacrifice their own health for the sake of an embryo. If a family wants to, that is their choice. If a family does not want to, it is their choice.

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Anti-Abortion CBS Super Bowl commercial lil lady - 27/01/2010 05:35:37 PM 1943 Views
I think that its a fantastic idea... Jeordam - 27/01/2010 05:46:17 PM 1156 Views
agreed... somewhat. lil lady - 27/01/2010 05:52:26 PM 1155 Views
See, that's the debate here... Jeordam - 27/01/2010 06:03:01 PM 907 Views
depending on the developmental stage, an embryo might be nothign more than a clump of cells. LadyLorraine - 27/01/2010 07:18:25 PM 799 Views
You make baby Allah cry. *NM* LiterateDog - 27/01/2010 07:58:01 PM 542 Views
was it the dog comparison? LadyLorraine - 27/01/2010 07:59:22 PM 945 Views
Nah, Dog is God reversed, after all. LiterateDog - 27/01/2010 08:29:12 PM 901 Views
parasites! parasites i say!!! LadyLorraine - 27/01/2010 08:37:53 PM 933 Views
yeah except islam allows abortion in certain conditions Aisha - 28/01/2010 05:43:29 AM 920 Views
Do those conditions include "I don't want a baby"? beckstcw - 28/01/2010 11:52:24 PM 1152 Views
some scholars say yes, some say no Aisha - 29/01/2010 05:51:18 AM 1043 Views
Shall we be technical.... Jeordam - 27/01/2010 09:28:20 PM 916 Views
And since when are you a trained eye? LadyLorraine - 27/01/2010 09:52:05 PM 1023 Views
A valid question Jeordam - 27/01/2010 10:07:16 PM 892 Views
Okay then, that's fair enough LadyLorraine - 27/01/2010 10:48:10 PM 908 Views
If there's a chance the mother might die... LadyLorraine - 27/01/2010 07:30:54 PM 978 Views
What if the "real" preson is an asshole? I'd gamble on the baby who has the potential to not be. Cannoli - 27/01/2010 08:44:57 PM 899 Views
I wasn't commenting on the commercial, I did that further below. LadyLorraine - 27/01/2010 08:59:17 PM 902 Views
Which is why I'm against elective abortion Jeordam - 27/01/2010 09:33:59 PM 937 Views
Then we are in accord. LadyLorraine - 27/01/2010 10:00:32 PM 942 Views
That works.... Jeordam - 27/01/2010 10:10:22 PM 939 Views
And I think that is wonderful. LadyLorraine - 27/01/2010 10:33:05 PM 1034 Views
I want to see an atheism Superbowl ad beetnemesis - 27/01/2010 06:21:02 PM 987 Views
Re: I want to see an atheism Superbowl ad lil lady - 27/01/2010 06:35:30 PM 1017 Views
Go ahead and pay for one.... Jeordam - 27/01/2010 06:37:18 PM 1056 Views
beetnemesis - 27/01/2010 07:01:59 PM 984 Views
at your Jeordam - 27/01/2010 07:03:39 PM 927 Views
how does atheism take anything away? LadyLorraine - 27/01/2010 07:20:49 PM 964 Views
Exactly Brian - 27/01/2010 07:29:49 PM 935 Views
Smiles.... Jeordam - 27/01/2010 09:38:25 PM 934 Views
just because you believe in god LadyLorraine - 27/01/2010 09:57:39 PM 826 Views
losing, not loosing *NM* Brian - 27/01/2010 10:22:51 PM 556 Views
Re: Smiles.... lyringlas - 29/01/2010 09:03:48 PM 902 Views
LOL It only "takes away" mental enslavement. LiterateDog - 27/01/2010 07:50:56 PM 936 Views
Who says? Jeordam - 27/01/2010 09:42:07 PM 922 Views
You're not "open" to anything. LiterateDog - 27/01/2010 10:02:03 PM 1060 Views
I don't need your sadness dude...or your pity. Jeordam - 27/01/2010 10:19:43 PM 956 Views
Personally speaking Brian - 27/01/2010 10:36:45 PM 987 Views
Although off topic that's exactly how I see it too. *NM* ironclad - 27/01/2010 10:43:49 PM 544 Views
But notice your perspective Brian... Jeordam - 27/01/2010 11:08:52 PM 1061 Views
Your argument assumes in the existance of the Christian God. LadyLorraine - 27/01/2010 11:28:16 PM 913 Views
Because we're His children beckstcw - 28/01/2010 01:08:20 AM 955 Views
My perspective as someone who is for the most part an Atheist? Brian - 28/01/2010 01:13:02 AM 857 Views
You have a very odd and self-serving notion of what "open" is. LiterateDog - 28/01/2010 12:12:06 AM 4283 Views
Tolerance much? snoopcester - 27/01/2010 08:11:12 PM 996 Views
I took care of that. LiterateDog - 27/01/2010 08:33:18 PM 971 Views
Don't read an emotion into that I didn't put into it. Jeordam - 27/01/2010 09:44:37 PM 775 Views
Oh, well there are examples. Google those ads I mentioned beetnemesis - 27/01/2010 11:24:10 PM 770 Views
all athesim means is not believing in deities 9_9 LadyLorraine - 27/01/2010 11:30:37 PM 783 Views
Your comment is rude and narrow minded. Regardless of what emotion you feel snoopcester - 28/01/2010 03:20:11 PM 931 Views
Fortunately, positivity doesn't appear to be the qualifying characteristic Sareitha Sedai - 27/01/2010 08:26:28 PM 887 Views
Well there is a difference between... Jeordam - 27/01/2010 09:47:36 PM 1083 Views
The fact is that it was a positive message, whether you agreed with it or not. Sareitha Sedai - 27/01/2010 09:52:47 PM 947 Views
Says the Protestant. Ghavrel - 27/01/2010 11:22:05 PM 935 Views
What is the UCC? *NM* Tashmere - 29/01/2010 02:59:07 AM 564 Views
United Church of Christ Sareitha Sedai - 29/01/2010 02:24:11 PM 828 Views
I don't think it is the same thing random thoughts - 27/01/2010 07:17:19 PM 800 Views
I wasn't making an argument- just that it'd be interesting beetnemesis - 27/01/2010 08:11:57 PM 769 Views
that I can agree with random thoughts - 27/01/2010 08:27:30 PM 870 Views
Re: I think that its a fantastic idea... callandor1000 - 28/01/2010 03:36:11 AM 892 Views
Followed by an add of all the babies that should have been aborted? *NM* Helene - 29/01/2010 05:53:43 PM 578 Views
Hey whatever they want to pay for PhoenixReborn - 27/01/2010 05:52:11 PM 998 Views
Hahahaha... I couldn't care less, but this line cracked me up beetnemesis - 27/01/2010 06:19:37 PM 966 Views
wow...I didn't even think of that... Jeordam - 27/01/2010 06:39:04 PM 922 Views
Heh. *NM* Tashmere - 28/01/2010 10:43:43 PM 556 Views
I think they need to treat all sides the same random thoughts - 27/01/2010 06:49:47 PM 917 Views
agreed *NM* ironclad - 27/01/2010 07:15:48 PM 552 Views
this. *NM* Avendesora - 28/01/2010 01:33:01 AM 491 Views
whether you agree with Tebow or not... damookster - 27/01/2010 06:51:58 PM 945 Views
I don't think there'd be a problem if it wasn't the Super Bowl LadyLorraine - 27/01/2010 07:35:18 PM 918 Views
The problem is the hyprocrisy of CBS. LiterateDog - 27/01/2010 07:56:58 PM 1043 Views
Bingo. Sareitha Sedai - 27/01/2010 07:58:01 PM 780 Views
And they claim this is the result of you liberal types pissing and moaning. Cannoli - 27/01/2010 08:40:57 PM 882 Views
Yeah, I'm sure that's it. LiterateDog - 27/01/2010 08:44:26 PM 778 Views
"the buggery agenda" LadyLorraine - 27/01/2010 08:47:28 PM 919 Views
I know, I loved it! I might start using that instead of Fagenda. *NM* LiterateDog - 27/01/2010 09:03:53 PM 564 Views
You might need to rework titles too. "Most Buggered", "Her Buggerness" LadyLorraine - 27/01/2010 09:06:44 PM 1055 Views
this commercial is only a big deal to those Hobgoblin - 27/01/2010 07:59:27 PM 983 Views
I really, really hope a pro-choice group buys the next ad space snoopcester - 27/01/2010 08:09:16 PM 1055 Views
Replace Hitler with Ben Affleck and I'd help pay for it. Brian - 27/01/2010 08:12:25 PM 794 Views
that's funny enough it'd pay for itself LadyLorraine - 27/01/2010 08:13:31 PM 889 Views
That would work also. The main thing is to pick someone who has committed crimes against humanity snoopcester - 28/01/2010 10:57:28 AM 721 Views
But how would you folks argue on the internet then? I'd still have Stalin... *NM* Cannoli - 27/01/2010 08:49:17 PM 524 Views
I'm sure people could think of something *NM* LadyLorraine - 27/01/2010 09:00:23 PM 422 Views
LMAO! that would be awesome *NM* Aisha - 28/01/2010 12:02:25 AM 562 Views
The funny thing is Sareitha Sedai - 27/01/2010 08:28:22 PM 1099 Views
Oh no you di'in't! Tigr - 27/01/2010 08:54:47 PM 708 Views
I had a similar thought... TaskmasterJack - 27/01/2010 10:17:15 PM 906 Views
*NM* Avendesora - 28/01/2010 01:12:46 AM 502 Views
*brain explodes* Joel - 27/01/2010 08:30:51 PM 809 Views
are your sinuses clear now? *NM* random thoughts - 27/01/2010 08:54:18 PM 515 Views
Oddly enough, they aren't. Joel - 27/01/2010 08:59:27 PM 960 Views
thats what you get for living in the hill country random thoughts - 27/01/2010 09:10:09 PM 871 Views
Not my idea, and I'm working on it. Joel - 28/01/2010 12:36:17 AM 908 Views
the super bowl is no place for political messages, no matter how thinly veiled. moondog - 28/01/2010 05:15:13 AM 808 Views
Are you saying that CBS should be required to run an opposing ad? *NM* beckstcw - 28/01/2010 05:19:39 AM 503 Views
if they are going to approve a political message, they should be required to air the opposite view moondog - 28/01/2010 05:27:33 AM 798 Views
I'm pretty strongly pro-choice and even I find that silly. *NM* Ghavrel - 28/01/2010 06:55:37 AM 564 Views
What kind of ad would they run in response? beckstcw - 28/01/2010 11:50:10 PM 943 Views
more like.... moondog - 29/01/2010 03:20:24 AM 1051 Views
The problem with Pro-Choice is... Silence_DoGood - 28/01/2010 02:12:13 PM 917 Views
Not really a fair comment snoopcester - 28/01/2010 02:44:21 PM 900 Views
Re: Not really a fair comment Silence_DoGood - 28/01/2010 03:27:03 PM 1022 Views
I can't see Youtube at work and am out the next couple of nights so I can't see it till the weekend snoopcester - 28/01/2010 03:36:48 PM 779 Views
I know you were going to tell me that it was slanted... Silence_DoGood - 28/01/2010 03:57:37 PM 934 Views
That is unfair on me snoopcester - 28/01/2010 04:18:07 PM 930 Views
Sorry...wasn't trying to be unfair.... Silence_DoGood - 28/01/2010 04:34:18 PM 942 Views
Apology accepted snoopcester - 28/01/2010 04:52:39 PM 760 Views
...which is yet another argument for publicly funded healthcare Floffe - 28/01/2010 03:46:25 PM 794 Views
Re: ...which is yet another argument for publicly funded healthcare Silence_DoGood - 28/01/2010 04:03:46 PM 912 Views
An unfortunate choice of words.... Jeordam - 28/01/2010 07:00:18 PM 779 Views
I don't think it's so much a matter of supplying misleading information, Rebekah - 28/01/2010 11:07:24 PM 845 Views
Ah, snoopcester - 29/01/2010 02:51:22 PM 893 Views
No. Rebekah - 29/01/2010 06:10:47 PM 978 Views
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