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What if the "real" preson is an asshole? I'd gamble on the baby who has the potential to not be. Cannoli Send a noteboard - 27/01/2010 08:44:57 PM
then you have to make a decision between the possibility to lose two people (one of whom is a fully developed person entrenched in society with relationships, personal history, etc...etc...) or only losing a mass of cells that there is no attachment to other than biological drive and "oh but what might have been!!"
You can easily extend the same argument to babies.

So yes...the mother's decision allowed for "Tim" to be born. But what if she had died before carrying to term? his mother would have been gone and quite possibly Tim as well, leading to a more tragic ending.
Dead Christians is a tragedy?

There is too many factors to declare that abortion be declared illegal. The government should not demand people sacrifice their own health for the sake of an embryo. If a family wants to, that is their choice. If a family does not want to, it is their choice.
They made their choice when they got pregnant.

None of which has any bearing on the apparent "controversy" of someone expressing their opinion in a forum they paid for.
Cannoli
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Anti-Abortion CBS Super Bowl commercial - 27/01/2010 05:35:37 PM 2201 Views
I think that its a fantastic idea... - 27/01/2010 05:46:17 PM 1662 Views
agreed... somewhat. - 27/01/2010 05:52:26 PM 1594 Views
See, that's the debate here... - 27/01/2010 06:03:01 PM 1298 Views
depending on the developmental stage, an embryo might be nothign more than a clump of cells. - 27/01/2010 07:18:25 PM 1315 Views
You make baby Allah cry. *NM* - 27/01/2010 07:58:01 PM 698 Views
was it the dog comparison? - 27/01/2010 07:59:22 PM 1424 Views
Nah, Dog is God reversed, after all. - 27/01/2010 08:29:12 PM 1295 Views
parasites! parasites i say!!! - 27/01/2010 08:37:53 PM 1360 Views
yeah except islam allows abortion in certain conditions - 28/01/2010 05:43:29 AM 1345 Views
Do those conditions include "I don't want a baby"? - 28/01/2010 11:52:24 PM 1656 Views
some scholars say yes, some say no - 29/01/2010 05:51:18 AM 1462 Views
Shall we be technical.... - 27/01/2010 09:28:20 PM 1343 Views
And since when are you a trained eye? - 27/01/2010 09:52:05 PM 1486 Views
A valid question - 27/01/2010 10:07:16 PM 1182 Views
Okay then, that's fair enough - 27/01/2010 10:48:10 PM 1339 Views
If there's a chance the mother might die... - 27/01/2010 07:30:54 PM 1308 Views
What if the "real" preson is an asshole? I'd gamble on the baby who has the potential to not be. - 27/01/2010 08:44:57 PM 1416 Views
I wasn't commenting on the commercial, I did that further below. - 27/01/2010 08:59:17 PM 1338 Views
Which is why I'm against elective abortion - 27/01/2010 09:33:59 PM 1439 Views
Then we are in accord. - 27/01/2010 10:00:32 PM 1348 Views
That works.... - 27/01/2010 10:10:22 PM 1350 Views
And I think that is wonderful. - 27/01/2010 10:33:05 PM 1470 Views
I want to see an atheism Superbowl ad - 27/01/2010 06:21:02 PM 1497 Views
Re: I want to see an atheism Superbowl ad - 27/01/2010 06:35:30 PM 1548 Views
Go ahead and pay for one.... - 27/01/2010 06:37:18 PM 1552 Views
- 27/01/2010 07:01:59 PM 1489 Views
at your - 27/01/2010 07:03:39 PM 1341 Views
how does atheism take anything away? - 27/01/2010 07:20:49 PM 1378 Views
Exactly - 27/01/2010 07:29:49 PM 1156 Views
Smiles.... - 27/01/2010 09:38:25 PM 1434 Views
just because you believe in god - 27/01/2010 09:57:39 PM 1254 Views
losing, not loosing *NM* - 27/01/2010 10:22:51 PM 725 Views
Re: Smiles.... - 29/01/2010 09:03:48 PM 1386 Views
LOL It only "takes away" mental enslavement. - 27/01/2010 07:50:56 PM 1374 Views
Who says? - 27/01/2010 09:42:07 PM 1338 Views
You're not "open" to anything. - 27/01/2010 10:02:03 PM 1464 Views
I don't need your sadness dude...or your pity. - 27/01/2010 10:19:43 PM 1475 Views
Personally speaking - 27/01/2010 10:36:45 PM 1210 Views
Although off topic that's exactly how I see it too. *NM* - 27/01/2010 10:43:49 PM 722 Views
But notice your perspective Brian... - 27/01/2010 11:08:52 PM 1492 Views
Your argument assumes in the existance of the Christian God. - 27/01/2010 11:28:16 PM 1419 Views
Because we're His children - 28/01/2010 01:08:20 AM 1449 Views
My perspective as someone who is for the most part an Atheist? - 28/01/2010 01:13:02 AM 1289 Views
You have a very odd and self-serving notion of what "open" is. - 28/01/2010 12:12:06 AM 4684 Views
Tolerance much? - 27/01/2010 08:11:12 PM 1528 Views
I took care of that. - 27/01/2010 08:33:18 PM 1454 Views
Don't read an emotion into that I didn't put into it. - 27/01/2010 09:44:37 PM 1195 Views
Oh, well there are examples. Google those ads I mentioned - 27/01/2010 11:24:10 PM 1192 Views
all athesim means is not believing in deities 9_9 - 27/01/2010 11:30:37 PM 1231 Views
Your comment is rude and narrow minded. Regardless of what emotion you feel - 28/01/2010 03:20:11 PM 1264 Views
Fortunately, positivity doesn't appear to be the qualifying characteristic - 27/01/2010 08:26:28 PM 1404 Views
Well there is a difference between... - 27/01/2010 09:47:36 PM 1593 Views
The fact is that it was a positive message, whether you agreed with it or not. - 27/01/2010 09:52:47 PM 1329 Views
Says the Protestant. - 27/01/2010 11:22:05 PM 1327 Views
What is the UCC? *NM* - 29/01/2010 02:59:07 AM 736 Views
United Church of Christ - 29/01/2010 02:24:11 PM 1250 Views
I don't think it is the same thing - 27/01/2010 07:17:19 PM 1323 Views
I wasn't making an argument- just that it'd be interesting - 27/01/2010 08:11:57 PM 1198 Views
that I can agree with - 27/01/2010 08:27:30 PM 1187 Views
Re: I think that its a fantastic idea... - 28/01/2010 03:36:11 AM 1392 Views
Hey whatever they want to pay for - 27/01/2010 05:52:11 PM 1410 Views
Hahahaha... I couldn't care less, but this line cracked me up - 27/01/2010 06:19:37 PM 1400 Views
wow...I didn't even think of that... - 27/01/2010 06:39:04 PM 1410 Views
Heh. *NM* - 28/01/2010 10:43:43 PM 719 Views
I think they need to treat all sides the same - 27/01/2010 06:49:47 PM 1394 Views
agreed *NM* - 27/01/2010 07:15:48 PM 731 Views
this. *NM* - 28/01/2010 01:33:01 AM 618 Views
whether you agree with Tebow or not... - 27/01/2010 06:51:58 PM 1268 Views
I don't think there'd be a problem if it wasn't the Super Bowl - 27/01/2010 07:35:18 PM 1436 Views
The problem is the hyprocrisy of CBS. - 27/01/2010 07:56:58 PM 1550 Views
Bingo. - 27/01/2010 07:58:01 PM 999 Views
And they claim this is the result of you liberal types pissing and moaning. - 27/01/2010 08:40:57 PM 1378 Views
Yeah, I'm sure that's it. - 27/01/2010 08:44:26 PM 1186 Views
"the buggery agenda" - 27/01/2010 08:47:28 PM 1437 Views
I know, I loved it! I might start using that instead of Fagenda. *NM* - 27/01/2010 09:03:53 PM 710 Views
You might need to rework titles too. "Most Buggered", "Her Buggerness" - 27/01/2010 09:06:44 PM 1547 Views
this commercial is only a big deal to those - 27/01/2010 07:59:27 PM 1406 Views
I really, really hope a pro-choice group buys the next ad space - 27/01/2010 08:09:16 PM 1276 Views
Replace Hitler with Ben Affleck and I'd help pay for it. - 27/01/2010 08:12:25 PM 1278 Views
that's funny enough it'd pay for itself - 27/01/2010 08:13:31 PM 1380 Views
But how would you folks argue on the internet then? I'd still have Stalin... *NM* - 27/01/2010 08:49:17 PM 692 Views
I'm sure people could think of something *NM* - 27/01/2010 09:00:23 PM 583 Views
LMAO! that would be awesome *NM* - 28/01/2010 12:02:25 AM 725 Views
The funny thing is - 27/01/2010 08:28:22 PM 1625 Views
Oh no you di'in't! - 27/01/2010 08:54:47 PM 1118 Views
I had a similar thought... - 27/01/2010 10:17:15 PM 1394 Views
*NM* - 28/01/2010 01:12:46 AM 664 Views
*brain explodes* - 27/01/2010 08:30:51 PM 1156 Views
are your sinuses clear now? *NM* - 27/01/2010 08:54:18 PM 671 Views
Oddly enough, they aren't. - 27/01/2010 08:59:27 PM 1453 Views
thats what you get for living in the hill country - 27/01/2010 09:10:09 PM 1108 Views
Not my idea, and I'm working on it. - 28/01/2010 12:36:17 AM 1310 Views
the super bowl is no place for political messages, no matter how thinly veiled. - 28/01/2010 05:15:13 AM 1219 Views
Are you saying that CBS should be required to run an opposing ad? *NM* - 28/01/2010 05:19:39 AM 675 Views
if they are going to approve a political message, they should be required to air the opposite view - 28/01/2010 05:27:33 AM 1035 Views
I'm pretty strongly pro-choice and even I find that silly. *NM* - 28/01/2010 06:55:37 AM 736 Views
What kind of ad would they run in response? - 28/01/2010 11:50:10 PM 1333 Views
more like.... - 29/01/2010 03:20:24 AM 1536 Views
The problem with Pro-Choice is... - 28/01/2010 02:12:13 PM 1305 Views
Not really a fair comment - 28/01/2010 02:44:21 PM 1228 Views
Re: Not really a fair comment - 28/01/2010 03:27:03 PM 1253 Views
I can't see Youtube at work and am out the next couple of nights so I can't see it till the weekend - 28/01/2010 03:36:48 PM 1084 Views
I know you were going to tell me that it was slanted... - 28/01/2010 03:57:37 PM 1364 Views
That is unfair on me - 28/01/2010 04:18:07 PM 1445 Views
Sorry...wasn't trying to be unfair.... - 28/01/2010 04:34:18 PM 1292 Views
Apology accepted - 28/01/2010 04:52:39 PM 1151 Views
...which is yet another argument for publicly funded healthcare - 28/01/2010 03:46:25 PM 1313 Views
Re: ...which is yet another argument for publicly funded healthcare - 28/01/2010 04:03:46 PM 1419 Views
An unfortunate choice of words.... - 28/01/2010 07:00:18 PM 1109 Views
I don't think it's so much a matter of supplying misleading information, - 28/01/2010 11:07:24 PM 1344 Views
Ah, - 29/01/2010 02:51:22 PM 1294 Views
No. - 29/01/2010 06:10:47 PM 1272 Views

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