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Okay then, that's fair enough LadyLorraine Send a noteboard - 27/01/2010 10:48:10 PM
I'm a veterinary student who's taken a reasonable amount of repro classes that discuss comparative embryology :P I'm still don't necessarily agree with you, but I'll at least listen ;)

It still doesn't clear up the issue, though, even if the development is different. the right to live is something that is debated on even with full grown adults. You choose to err on the side of caution. I choose to err on the side of inclusion. I admit that's a lot more paper shuffling in the law and probably wouldn't end up being effective most of the time...but I just believe that's how it should be done.

As for fully elective abortion...Ethically I 100% agree with you. Legally...I'm very undecided. On one hand, I think that fully elective abortion (i.e. not for medical reasons/rape) gives people the freedom to make choices based on their own ethical beliefs on the issue. There are a lot of reasons besides medical that a mother might decide the child is better off never living. We could argue the legitimacy of each one all night long, but I think the issue is too gray to definitively say X person is right, Y person is wrong, etc...etc...

On the other hand, people are stupid and selfish and there is the risk of a great deal of lost potential. And as much as the world really does not need more humans littering its surface, that does not make human lives less valuable.

I really just can't make myself take a yes/no position on it. Fence-sitter, flip flopper, call me what you will. I haven't finished weighing my pros and cons, so I guess I'll just have to deal with it ;)
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Anti-Abortion CBS Super Bowl commercial - 27/01/2010 05:35:37 PM 1924 Views
I think that its a fantastic idea... - 27/01/2010 05:46:17 PM 1130 Views
agreed... somewhat. - 27/01/2010 05:52:26 PM 1129 Views
See, that's the debate here... - 27/01/2010 06:03:01 PM 884 Views
depending on the developmental stage, an embryo might be nothign more than a clump of cells. - 27/01/2010 07:18:25 PM 768 Views
You make baby Allah cry. *NM* - 27/01/2010 07:58:01 PM 531 Views
was it the dog comparison? - 27/01/2010 07:59:22 PM 920 Views
Nah, Dog is God reversed, after all. - 27/01/2010 08:29:12 PM 880 Views
parasites! parasites i say!!! - 27/01/2010 08:37:53 PM 908 Views
yeah except islam allows abortion in certain conditions - 28/01/2010 05:43:29 AM 899 Views
Do those conditions include "I don't want a baby"? - 28/01/2010 11:52:24 PM 1122 Views
some scholars say yes, some say no - 29/01/2010 05:51:18 AM 1021 Views
Shall we be technical.... - 27/01/2010 09:28:20 PM 894 Views
And since when are you a trained eye? - 27/01/2010 09:52:05 PM 998 Views
A valid question - 27/01/2010 10:07:16 PM 871 Views
Okay then, that's fair enough - 27/01/2010 10:48:10 PM 892 Views
If there's a chance the mother might die... - 27/01/2010 07:30:54 PM 958 Views
Which is why I'm against elective abortion - 27/01/2010 09:33:59 PM 914 Views
Then we are in accord. - 27/01/2010 10:00:32 PM 921 Views
That works.... - 27/01/2010 10:10:22 PM 917 Views
And I think that is wonderful. - 27/01/2010 10:33:05 PM 1013 Views
I want to see an atheism Superbowl ad - 27/01/2010 06:21:02 PM 960 Views
Re: I want to see an atheism Superbowl ad - 27/01/2010 06:35:30 PM 993 Views
Go ahead and pay for one.... - 27/01/2010 06:37:18 PM 1027 Views
- 27/01/2010 07:01:59 PM 960 Views
at your - 27/01/2010 07:03:39 PM 903 Views
how does atheism take anything away? - 27/01/2010 07:20:49 PM 938 Views
Exactly - 27/01/2010 07:29:49 PM 918 Views
Smiles.... - 27/01/2010 09:38:25 PM 904 Views
just because you believe in god - 27/01/2010 09:57:39 PM 785 Views
losing, not loosing *NM* - 27/01/2010 10:22:51 PM 543 Views
Re: Smiles.... - 29/01/2010 09:03:48 PM 873 Views
LOL It only "takes away" mental enslavement. - 27/01/2010 07:50:56 PM 911 Views
Who says? - 27/01/2010 09:42:07 PM 902 Views
You're not "open" to anything. - 27/01/2010 10:02:03 PM 1039 Views
I don't need your sadness dude...or your pity. - 27/01/2010 10:19:43 PM 927 Views
Personally speaking - 27/01/2010 10:36:45 PM 970 Views
Although off topic that's exactly how I see it too. *NM* - 27/01/2010 10:43:49 PM 531 Views
But notice your perspective Brian... - 27/01/2010 11:08:52 PM 1034 Views
Your argument assumes in the existance of the Christian God. - 27/01/2010 11:28:16 PM 890 Views
Because we're His children - 28/01/2010 01:08:20 AM 924 Views
My perspective as someone who is for the most part an Atheist? - 28/01/2010 01:13:02 AM 836 Views
You have a very odd and self-serving notion of what "open" is. - 28/01/2010 12:12:06 AM 4259 Views
Tolerance much? - 27/01/2010 08:11:12 PM 970 Views
I took care of that. - 27/01/2010 08:33:18 PM 942 Views
Don't read an emotion into that I didn't put into it. - 27/01/2010 09:44:37 PM 755 Views
Oh, well there are examples. Google those ads I mentioned - 27/01/2010 11:24:10 PM 750 Views
all athesim means is not believing in deities 9_9 - 27/01/2010 11:30:37 PM 762 Views
Fortunately, positivity doesn't appear to be the qualifying characteristic - 27/01/2010 08:26:28 PM 861 Views
Well there is a difference between... - 27/01/2010 09:47:36 PM 1057 Views
The fact is that it was a positive message, whether you agreed with it or not. - 27/01/2010 09:52:47 PM 924 Views
Says the Protestant. - 27/01/2010 11:22:05 PM 914 Views
What is the UCC? *NM* - 29/01/2010 02:59:07 AM 554 Views
United Church of Christ - 29/01/2010 02:24:11 PM 803 Views
I don't think it is the same thing - 27/01/2010 07:17:19 PM 775 Views
I wasn't making an argument- just that it'd be interesting - 27/01/2010 08:11:57 PM 752 Views
that I can agree with - 27/01/2010 08:27:30 PM 854 Views
Re: I think that its a fantastic idea... - 28/01/2010 03:36:11 AM 863 Views
Hey whatever they want to pay for - 27/01/2010 05:52:11 PM 970 Views
Hahahaha... I couldn't care less, but this line cracked me up - 27/01/2010 06:19:37 PM 946 Views
wow...I didn't even think of that... - 27/01/2010 06:39:04 PM 895 Views
Heh. *NM* - 28/01/2010 10:43:43 PM 544 Views
I think they need to treat all sides the same - 27/01/2010 06:49:47 PM 894 Views
agreed *NM* - 27/01/2010 07:15:48 PM 540 Views
this. *NM* - 28/01/2010 01:33:01 AM 481 Views
whether you agree with Tebow or not... - 27/01/2010 06:51:58 PM 919 Views
I don't think there'd be a problem if it wasn't the Super Bowl - 27/01/2010 07:35:18 PM 892 Views
The problem is the hyprocrisy of CBS. - 27/01/2010 07:56:58 PM 1019 Views
Bingo. - 27/01/2010 07:58:01 PM 764 Views
And they claim this is the result of you liberal types pissing and moaning. - 27/01/2010 08:40:57 PM 857 Views
Yeah, I'm sure that's it. - 27/01/2010 08:44:26 PM 754 Views
"the buggery agenda" - 27/01/2010 08:47:28 PM 893 Views
I know, I loved it! I might start using that instead of Fagenda. *NM* - 27/01/2010 09:03:53 PM 553 Views
You might need to rework titles too. "Most Buggered", "Her Buggerness" - 27/01/2010 09:06:44 PM 1026 Views
this commercial is only a big deal to those - 27/01/2010 07:59:27 PM 960 Views
I really, really hope a pro-choice group buys the next ad space - 27/01/2010 08:09:16 PM 1040 Views
Replace Hitler with Ben Affleck and I'd help pay for it. - 27/01/2010 08:12:25 PM 771 Views
that's funny enough it'd pay for itself - 27/01/2010 08:13:31 PM 866 Views
But how would you folks argue on the internet then? I'd still have Stalin... *NM* - 27/01/2010 08:49:17 PM 514 Views
I'm sure people could think of something *NM* - 27/01/2010 09:00:23 PM 410 Views
LMAO! that would be awesome *NM* - 28/01/2010 12:02:25 AM 551 Views
The funny thing is - 27/01/2010 08:28:22 PM 1074 Views
Oh no you di'in't! - 27/01/2010 08:54:47 PM 684 Views
I had a similar thought... - 27/01/2010 10:17:15 PM 881 Views
*NM* - 28/01/2010 01:12:46 AM 492 Views
*brain explodes* - 27/01/2010 08:30:51 PM 792 Views
are your sinuses clear now? *NM* - 27/01/2010 08:54:18 PM 503 Views
Oddly enough, they aren't. - 27/01/2010 08:59:27 PM 936 Views
thats what you get for living in the hill country - 27/01/2010 09:10:09 PM 852 Views
Not my idea, and I'm working on it. - 28/01/2010 12:36:17 AM 888 Views
the super bowl is no place for political messages, no matter how thinly veiled. - 28/01/2010 05:15:13 AM 785 Views
Are you saying that CBS should be required to run an opposing ad? *NM* - 28/01/2010 05:19:39 AM 491 Views
if they are going to approve a political message, they should be required to air the opposite view - 28/01/2010 05:27:33 AM 780 Views
I'm pretty strongly pro-choice and even I find that silly. *NM* - 28/01/2010 06:55:37 AM 551 Views
What kind of ad would they run in response? - 28/01/2010 11:50:10 PM 918 Views
more like.... - 29/01/2010 03:20:24 AM 1027 Views
The problem with Pro-Choice is... - 28/01/2010 02:12:13 PM 894 Views
Not really a fair comment - 28/01/2010 02:44:21 PM 878 Views
Re: Not really a fair comment - 28/01/2010 03:27:03 PM 982 Views
I can't see Youtube at work and am out the next couple of nights so I can't see it till the weekend - 28/01/2010 03:36:48 PM 758 Views
I know you were going to tell me that it was slanted... - 28/01/2010 03:57:37 PM 910 Views
That is unfair on me - 28/01/2010 04:18:07 PM 904 Views
Sorry...wasn't trying to be unfair.... - 28/01/2010 04:34:18 PM 925 Views
Apology accepted - 28/01/2010 04:52:39 PM 739 Views
...which is yet another argument for publicly funded healthcare - 28/01/2010 03:46:25 PM 770 Views
Re: ...which is yet another argument for publicly funded healthcare - 28/01/2010 04:03:46 PM 884 Views
An unfortunate choice of words.... - 28/01/2010 07:00:18 PM 760 Views
I don't think it's so much a matter of supplying misleading information, - 28/01/2010 11:07:24 PM 819 Views
Ah, - 29/01/2010 02:51:22 PM 872 Views
No. - 29/01/2010 06:10:47 PM 959 Views

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