Universal healthcare was the primary plank in Clintons '92 platform.
Joel Send a noteboard - 04/02/2010 10:02:18 AM
For all the pomp and circumstance, the last two Democratic Presidents were elected largely (in Clintons case, solely) on the basis of promised healthcare reform, providing a clear mandate for it twice in as many decades. Both times the industry convinced the public they didn't really want what they voted for en masse. In less than six months. Well done, America....

I remember both elections, in spite of my youth at the time of the latter, and I can't see Healtchare Reform as a major factor in swaying the middle. First, Clinton had no mandate at all,less than 51% is definetly not a mandate, he got 43%. Everyone who was voting specifically for change from the middle was voting Perot. No matter how one cuts it, Obama was essentially elected for being 'not-Bush' and the GOP suffered from the same, while having more vulnerable senate seats.
That his wife spent her legal career battling insurance companies and knew all their tricks was a big reason for chants of "two for the price of one" and that had a lot more than nepotism to do with her writing the Presidential healthcare plan (back then Presidents took an active hand in legislation they considered a priority.

If you think being "not Bush" was enough to win an election you need to flash back to '04, when a month before the election Bush finished behind "another candidate" in one poll and behind "ANYONE else" in another. Kerry still lost, hence my joke that he finished fourth in a two man race. He didn't give anyone anything to vote FOR, and that made whoever could sling the most mud the favorite (always bet on Karl Rove under those conditions. ) As for Clinton, yes, Perots 20% of the vote hurt Bush, but if Clintons 43% wasn't a mandate for universal healthcare, does that mean Lincolns 40% wasn't a mandate for union? It's no different than the Deaniacs who played spoiler for Kerry, or the Naderites who sank Gore (who lost NH and the Presidency by <7000 votes, while Nader polled >3X that) or the McCarthy supporters who stayed home rather than vote for Humphrey. Heck, neither Bush NOR Gore hit 50% in 2000, so 43% in a race where a third party polls 20% nationally is a mandate. Obama was generally recognized to have a "mandate for change" but even with Omahas lone EV he was still 5 short of Clintons '92 total.
I hate to play the age card, but I probably do remember that election a little better; it was the first one I voted in and universal healthcare (which is definitely a kind of reform, but Dems back then had the balls to try to actually make a difference) was a top priority in my memory. It's been a Democratic platform plank since the end of the Second World War, but to our cost we failed to achieve it while the rest of the West succeeded, and as long as we continue to ignore it we'll continue seeing our living standard slip relative to theirs. Don't doubt for a second that was a driving force for both Clintons in '92; the difference now is that by ignoring the problem and demonizing evil trial lawyers like Hillary the problem has reached the level of a crisis in the interim. It's not going to get better if we keep ignoring it; that's not how crises work.
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Why bipartisanship can't work: the expert view
01/02/2010 11:34:58 PM
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And a personal comment
01/02/2010 11:39:28 PM
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Who's to say YOU really know what's happening in Washington, though?
02/02/2010 01:41:20 AM
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not to mention those who mistake knowledge for understanding
02/02/2010 10:41:14 PM
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Even so.
05/02/2010 05:45:54 AM
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Like the NYT?
05/02/2010 02:12:36 PM
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I don't believe the Times has ever conceded bias.
05/02/2010 06:03:02 PM
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and neither does Fox so I am not sure that matters
05/02/2010 06:40:15 PM
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Note that I didn't mention Fox (or anyone, for that matter. )
05/02/2010 07:13:31 PM
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PBS is biased
05/02/2010 07:21:14 PM
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You're entitled to believe that.
05/02/2010 07:31:07 PM
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PBS has an obvious yet undeclared bias so does NPR
09/02/2010 04:47:53 AM
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Even were that true (which I dispute) my statement stands.
09/02/2010 09:50:36 AM
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so they wouldn't be biased becuas it could hurt them but you still argue republicans attack them
09/02/2010 02:19:53 PM
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We have been for some time.
02/02/2010 03:31:10 AM
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I don't think that's the case
03/02/2010 02:59:50 PM
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Universal healthcare was the primary plank in Clintons '92 platform.
04/02/2010 10:02:18 AM
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That does not mean his bare plurality was an endorsement of National Healthcare
04/02/2010 02:09:32 PM
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I don't think he won by default, and that was his primary issue.
05/02/2010 08:09:50 AM
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Re: I don't think he won by default, and that was his primary issue.
05/02/2010 03:52:23 PM
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[insert witty subject line here]
06/02/2010 02:15:21 AM
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Let me break this into multiple replies here
06/02/2010 07:45:36 PM
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'K
08/02/2010 01:22:12 PM
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Probably time to go into 'summary mode'
08/02/2010 07:34:55 PM
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Again, we're back to "how would you prefer to do it?"
09/02/2010 09:42:51 AM
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Any way that works, which currently probably is none
09/02/2010 06:12:41 PM
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I think HDI is more accurate than nothing, though it certainly needs some fine tuning.
10/02/2010 11:03:08 AM
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I'll play a bigger age card since it was my third election to vote in and he won because of Perot
05/02/2010 05:57:04 PM
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Let's put it another way: Why did Dems nominate him instead of, say, Gephardt?
06/02/2010 02:22:04 AM
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you don't get mandates from primaries
08/02/2010 02:12:29 PM
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No, but end of the day more people wanted healthcare than didn't.
08/02/2010 03:09:31 PM
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everyone want health care they just don't want congress runnig it
09/02/2010 04:56:44 AM
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Whom do you prefer?
09/02/2010 10:07:39 AM
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Sorry not a big fan of socialism I hear it big over in Europe though
09/02/2010 02:23:55 PM
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In other words you prefer the system we have; thanks for admitting it.
10/02/2010 10:05:38 AM
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I prefer Thomas Woods Jr's description of bipartisanship
02/02/2010 02:49:06 AM
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If only someone had stood up on 8 December, 1941 and said, "hey, you're not supposed to do stuff!"
02/02/2010 03:28:38 AM
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you're making a good job taking things out of context, Joel
03/02/2010 12:47:57 PM
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Don't speak in absolutes and I won't read absolutes.
04/02/2010 10:08:43 AM
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Some qualifiers can be left unsaid for a clearer message. Or better delivery
04/02/2010 10:26:56 AM
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Qualifiers are clarifying by nature.
04/02/2010 10:49:06 AM
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huh. That does make sense. I know malpractice is a big weight on the the system in the US.
04/02/2010 11:58:37 AM
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Perhaps, but it's hardly the greatest weight, or even in the top three, IMHO.
05/02/2010 05:44:49 AM
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Pearl Harbor would never have happened to a classically liberal nation
05/02/2010 01:33:56 AM
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Wow - that was a dumb statement even for you!
05/02/2010 04:22:59 PM
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I do generally agree, but I think the Washington Naval Conference is too often overlooked.
06/02/2010 02:33:51 AM
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Politicians and pundits should stop calling things that happened in the last decade "unprecedented"
02/02/2010 03:23:27 AM
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Or the democratic party has shifted so far to to the left they can't even get all of the dems
02/02/2010 02:39:14 PM
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You didn't hear all the whining when Bush was in charge with a Republican Congress?
02/02/2010 08:50:05 PM
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I there was plenty of whining going on
02/02/2010 10:36:56 PM
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Is this you conceding that the GOP is being obstructionist?
08/02/2010 01:43:04 PM
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I agree they are obstructing the libs from doing whatever they want
08/02/2010 02:19:13 PM
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They've tried including Republicans in drafting bills.
08/02/2010 03:08:17 PM
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tyring to pcik off one republican is not including republicans
09/02/2010 05:03:44 AM
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So we've gone from "stop being secretive" to "no public meetings" eh?
09/02/2010 11:59:50 AM
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well it was your guy who was up in arms about private meetings
09/02/2010 02:29:34 PM
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Was it? I don't recall any Dem complaining about private meeting on healthcare.
10/02/2010 09:44:56 AM
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most liberals seem to foretting the "rhetoric" that Obama used to get elected
13/02/2010 06:54:34 AM
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