Let's put it another way: Why did Dems nominate him instead of, say, Gephardt?
Joel Send a noteboard - 06/02/2010 02:22:04 AM
It wasn't until Newt drug him kicking and screaming to center and the internet bubble gave a temporary bump to his economy that he had wide spread support.
I guess you could say in a round about way that health care reform made him popular because pushing it was what gave him a republican congress and forced him back to the middle.
I guess you could say in a round about way that health care reform made him popular because pushing it was what gave him a republican congress and forced him back to the middle.
There was a SLEW of would be Democratic nominees; pushing healthcare is what set Clinton apart from the pack. Unlike this past election, when even MCCAIN tried to muscle in on the act, no one else was beating that drum. So, OK, yeah, maybe it wasn't We Love the President Day all the time, but that was THE Clinton issue, and he did get the most votes, which means that was the most popular of the three options. And while I do think Perot was part of what got him elected, it's not a given; PEROTS big issue was the "giant sucking sound" and back then union members and other Dems were naive enough to think that was strictly a Republican (i.e. Bush) initiative. Maybe we should've voted for Gephardt (or Gregory Peck....
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Why bipartisanship can't work: the expert view
- 01/02/2010 11:34:58 PM
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And a personal comment
- 01/02/2010 11:39:28 PM
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Who's to say YOU really know what's happening in Washington, though?
- 02/02/2010 01:41:20 AM
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? *NM*
not to mention those who mistake knowledge for understanding
- 02/02/2010 10:41:14 PM
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Even so.
- 05/02/2010 05:45:54 AM
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Like the NYT?
- 05/02/2010 02:12:36 PM
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I don't believe the Times has ever conceded bias.
- 05/02/2010 06:03:02 PM
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and neither does Fox so I am not sure that matters
- 05/02/2010 06:40:15 PM
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Note that I didn't mention Fox (or anyone, for that matter. )
- 05/02/2010 07:13:31 PM
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PBS is biased
- 05/02/2010 07:21:14 PM
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You're entitled to believe that.
- 05/02/2010 07:31:07 PM
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PBS has an obvious yet undeclared bias so does NPR
- 09/02/2010 04:47:53 AM
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Even were that true (which I dispute) my statement stands.
- 09/02/2010 09:50:36 AM
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so they wouldn't be biased becuas it could hurt them but you still argue republicans attack them
- 09/02/2010 02:19:53 PM
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We have been for some time.
- 02/02/2010 03:31:10 AM
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I don't think that's the case
- 03/02/2010 02:59:50 PM
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Universal healthcare was the primary plank in Clintons '92 platform.
- 04/02/2010 10:02:18 AM
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That does not mean his bare plurality was an endorsement of National Healthcare
- 04/02/2010 02:09:32 PM
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I don't think he won by default, and that was his primary issue.
- 05/02/2010 08:09:50 AM
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Re: I don't think he won by default, and that was his primary issue.
- 05/02/2010 03:52:23 PM
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[insert witty subject line here]
- 06/02/2010 02:15:21 AM
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Let me break this into multiple replies here
- 06/02/2010 07:45:36 PM
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'K
- 08/02/2010 01:22:12 PM
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Probably time to go into 'summary mode'
- 08/02/2010 07:34:55 PM
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Again, we're back to "how would you prefer to do it?"
- 09/02/2010 09:42:51 AM
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Any way that works, which currently probably is none
- 09/02/2010 06:12:41 PM
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I think HDI is more accurate than nothing, though it certainly needs some fine tuning.
- 10/02/2010 11:03:08 AM
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I'll play a bigger age card since it was my third election to vote in and he won because of Perot
- 05/02/2010 05:57:04 PM
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Let's put it another way: Why did Dems nominate him instead of, say, Gephardt?
- 06/02/2010 02:22:04 AM
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you don't get mandates from primaries
- 08/02/2010 02:12:29 PM
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No, but end of the day more people wanted healthcare than didn't.
- 08/02/2010 03:09:31 PM
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everyone want health care they just don't want congress runnig it
- 09/02/2010 04:56:44 AM
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Whom do you prefer?
- 09/02/2010 10:07:39 AM
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Sorry not a big fan of socialism I hear it big over in Europe though
- 09/02/2010 02:23:55 PM
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In other words you prefer the system we have; thanks for admitting it. 
- 10/02/2010 10:05:38 AM
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- 10/02/2010 10:05:38 AM
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I prefer Thomas Woods Jr's description of bipartisanship
- 02/02/2010 02:49:06 AM
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If only someone had stood up on 8 December, 1941 and said, "hey, you're not supposed to do stuff!"
- 02/02/2010 03:28:38 AM
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you're making a good job taking things out of context, Joel
- 03/02/2010 12:47:57 PM
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Don't speak in absolutes and I won't read absolutes.
- 04/02/2010 10:08:43 AM
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Some qualifiers can be left unsaid for a clearer message. Or better delivery
- 04/02/2010 10:26:56 AM
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- 04/02/2010 10:26:56 AM
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Qualifiers are clarifying by nature.
- 04/02/2010 10:49:06 AM
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huh. That does make sense. I know malpractice is a big weight on the the system in the US.
- 04/02/2010 11:58:37 AM
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Perhaps, but it's hardly the greatest weight, or even in the top three, IMHO.
- 05/02/2010 05:44:49 AM
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Pearl Harbor would never have happened to a classically liberal nation
- 05/02/2010 01:33:56 AM
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Wow - that was a dumb statement even for you!
- 05/02/2010 04:22:59 PM
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I do generally agree, but I think the Washington Naval Conference is too often overlooked.
- 06/02/2010 02:33:51 AM
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Politicians and pundits should stop calling things that happened in the last decade "unprecedented"
- 02/02/2010 03:23:27 AM
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Or the democratic party has shifted so far to to the left they can't even get all of the dems
- 02/02/2010 02:39:14 PM
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You didn't hear all the whining when Bush was in charge with a Republican Congress?
- 02/02/2010 08:50:05 PM
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I there was plenty of whining going on
- 02/02/2010 10:36:56 PM
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Is this you conceding that the GOP is being obstructionist?
- 08/02/2010 01:43:04 PM
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I agree they are obstructing the libs from doing whatever they want
- 08/02/2010 02:19:13 PM
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They've tried including Republicans in drafting bills.
- 08/02/2010 03:08:17 PM
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tyring to pcik off one republican is not including republicans
- 09/02/2010 05:03:44 AM
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So we've gone from "stop being secretive" to "no public meetings" eh?
- 09/02/2010 11:59:50 AM
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well it was your guy who was up in arms about private meetings
- 09/02/2010 02:29:34 PM
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Was it? I don't recall any Dem complaining about private meeting on healthcare.
- 10/02/2010 09:44:56 AM
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most liberals seem to foretting the "rhetoric" that Obama used to get elected
- 13/02/2010 06:54:34 AM
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