Again, the thing I like about socialism is that I don't trust industry or the government, so I want them to compete against each other. If, however, you think Congress will be less responsive to your complaints than a private firm whose executives you can't fire, when they can (and often do) monopolize all insurance in your state, that's ridiculous. Perhaps the publics control of government is limited, but its control of monopolies on essential needs is non-existent. About all they can do is demand government intervention when things get bad enough, which is why each time they've done just that in the past twenty years the industry immediately stepped up to convince them things aren't REALLY that bad (or rather that the government version would be worse despite the fact that's not been the case in any country that's tried it. )
I blame the messengers, both the ones peddling falsehood and the ones so ineptly attempting universal public healthcare. That's the issue that got Clinton elected and it's the one he should've jumped on out of the gate (instead of jumping on DADT to appease a partisan niche and alarm nearly everyone else; spend your political capital on something big, while you've still got it. ) It's a lot of what got Obama elected and what HE should've tackled first instead of giving hundreds of billions to people who knowingly made bad loans hoping to enrich themselves with high interest (he spent nearly all his political capital on that, and it worked, but then he was out and where does that leave the country?) I blame the messenger plenty, but saying their ineptness excuses the naked falsehoods proclaimed to defeat the policy is like saying it's OK to steal a car if the door's unlocked.
No one can control the Democratic Party, and that's a large part of the problem. There are just too many diverse views all insisting their way is right to satisfy all of them, and any attempts to enforce discipline are viewed as tyranny by the offended party. Put another way, if they reach out too far to those on the right their base will abandon them (and, again, probably 40% of the disapproval in polling on the Senate healthcare bill was from libs who thought they gave away the store; with them on board again overall approval would likely to from ~40% to ~60%. ) But, yes, the reason they keep failing is because they do such a poor job of things; they've got great ideas and sorry implementation (as opposed to the GOP leadership that has bad ideas and superb implementation. )
And sorry blaming lobbyist is a weak argument. Both times democrats had the biggest bully pulpit in the world and failed to use it. They had open and vocal support form the major news outlets. If they have failed to get their message across you either need to blame the message or the messenger.
I blame the messengers, both the ones peddling falsehood and the ones so ineptly attempting universal public healthcare. That's the issue that got Clinton elected and it's the one he should've jumped on out of the gate (instead of jumping on DADT to appease a partisan niche and alarm nearly everyone else; spend your political capital on something big, while you've still got it. ) It's a lot of what got Obama elected and what HE should've tackled first instead of giving hundreds of billions to people who knowingly made bad loans hoping to enrich themselves with high interest (he spent nearly all his political capital on that, and it worked, but then he was out and where does that leave the country?) I blame the messenger plenty, but saying their ineptness excuses the naked falsehoods proclaimed to defeat the policy is like saying it's OK to steal a car if the door's unlocked.
Did you ever consider that the reason the democrats keep failing is they keep doing such a poor job of things? If they focused on the reforms people want instead of trying to force feed a huge government program that might build the trust they need to get bigger project done. Right now most liberals are pissed that they didn't get the chance to force what they wanted on the country during the little window of power they had but they never thought of trying to open the window wider. Liberals can barely control the democratic party but they think they have the right to dictate to the entire country and seem stunned and angry when they fail again and again.
No one can control the Democratic Party, and that's a large part of the problem. There are just too many diverse views all insisting their way is right to satisfy all of them, and any attempts to enforce discipline are viewed as tyranny by the offended party. Put another way, if they reach out too far to those on the right their base will abandon them (and, again, probably 40% of the disapproval in polling on the Senate healthcare bill was from libs who thought they gave away the store; with them on board again overall approval would likely to from ~40% to ~60%. ) But, yes, the reason they keep failing is because they do such a poor job of things; they've got great ideas and sorry implementation (as opposed to the GOP leadership that has bad ideas and superb implementation. )
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Slightly better than chocolate.
Love still can't be coerced.
Please Don't Eat the Newbies!

LoL. Be well, RAFOlk.
Why bipartisanship can't work: the expert view
- 01/02/2010 11:34:58 PM
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And a personal comment
- 01/02/2010 11:39:28 PM
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Who's to say YOU really know what's happening in Washington, though?
- 02/02/2010 01:41:20 AM
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not to mention those who mistake knowledge for understanding
- 02/02/2010 10:41:14 PM
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Even so.
- 05/02/2010 05:45:54 AM
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Like the NYT?
- 05/02/2010 02:12:36 PM
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I don't believe the Times has ever conceded bias.
- 05/02/2010 06:03:02 PM
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and neither does Fox so I am not sure that matters
- 05/02/2010 06:40:15 PM
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Note that I didn't mention Fox (or anyone, for that matter. )
- 05/02/2010 07:13:31 PM
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PBS is biased
- 05/02/2010 07:21:14 PM
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You're entitled to believe that.
- 05/02/2010 07:31:07 PM
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PBS has an obvious yet undeclared bias so does NPR
- 09/02/2010 04:47:53 AM
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Even were that true (which I dispute) my statement stands.
- 09/02/2010 09:50:36 AM
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so they wouldn't be biased becuas it could hurt them but you still argue republicans attack them
- 09/02/2010 02:19:53 PM
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We have been for some time.
- 02/02/2010 03:31:10 AM
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I don't think that's the case
- 03/02/2010 02:59:50 PM
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Universal healthcare was the primary plank in Clintons '92 platform.
- 04/02/2010 10:02:18 AM
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That does not mean his bare plurality was an endorsement of National Healthcare
- 04/02/2010 02:09:32 PM
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I don't think he won by default, and that was his primary issue.
- 05/02/2010 08:09:50 AM
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Re: I don't think he won by default, and that was his primary issue.
- 05/02/2010 03:52:23 PM
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[insert witty subject line here]
- 06/02/2010 02:15:21 AM
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Let me break this into multiple replies here
- 06/02/2010 07:45:36 PM
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'K
- 08/02/2010 01:22:12 PM
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Probably time to go into 'summary mode'
- 08/02/2010 07:34:55 PM
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Again, we're back to "how would you prefer to do it?"
- 09/02/2010 09:42:51 AM
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Any way that works, which currently probably is none
- 09/02/2010 06:12:41 PM
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I think HDI is more accurate than nothing, though it certainly needs some fine tuning.
- 10/02/2010 11:03:08 AM
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I'll play a bigger age card since it was my third election to vote in and he won because of Perot
- 05/02/2010 05:57:04 PM
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Let's put it another way: Why did Dems nominate him instead of, say, Gephardt?
- 06/02/2010 02:22:04 AM
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you don't get mandates from primaries
- 08/02/2010 02:12:29 PM
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No, but end of the day more people wanted healthcare than didn't.
- 08/02/2010 03:09:31 PM
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everyone want health care they just don't want congress runnig it
- 09/02/2010 04:56:44 AM
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Whom do you prefer?
- 09/02/2010 10:07:39 AM
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Sorry not a big fan of socialism I hear it big over in Europe though
- 09/02/2010 02:23:55 PM
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In other words you prefer the system we have; thanks for admitting it.
- 10/02/2010 10:05:38 AM
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- 10/02/2010 10:05:38 AM
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I prefer Thomas Woods Jr's description of bipartisanship
- 02/02/2010 02:49:06 AM
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If only someone had stood up on 8 December, 1941 and said, "hey, you're not supposed to do stuff!"
- 02/02/2010 03:28:38 AM
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you're making a good job taking things out of context, Joel
- 03/02/2010 12:47:57 PM
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Don't speak in absolutes and I won't read absolutes.
- 04/02/2010 10:08:43 AM
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Some qualifiers can be left unsaid for a clearer message. Or better delivery
- 04/02/2010 10:26:56 AM
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- 04/02/2010 10:26:56 AM
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Qualifiers are clarifying by nature.
- 04/02/2010 10:49:06 AM
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huh. That does make sense. I know malpractice is a big weight on the the system in the US.
- 04/02/2010 11:58:37 AM
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Perhaps, but it's hardly the greatest weight, or even in the top three, IMHO.
- 05/02/2010 05:44:49 AM
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Pearl Harbor would never have happened to a classically liberal nation
- 05/02/2010 01:33:56 AM
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Wow - that was a dumb statement even for you!
- 05/02/2010 04:22:59 PM
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I do generally agree, but I think the Washington Naval Conference is too often overlooked.
- 06/02/2010 02:33:51 AM
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Politicians and pundits should stop calling things that happened in the last decade "unprecedented"
- 02/02/2010 03:23:27 AM
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Or the democratic party has shifted so far to to the left they can't even get all of the dems
- 02/02/2010 02:39:14 PM
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You didn't hear all the whining when Bush was in charge with a Republican Congress?
- 02/02/2010 08:50:05 PM
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I there was plenty of whining going on
- 02/02/2010 10:36:56 PM
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Is this you conceding that the GOP is being obstructionist?
- 08/02/2010 01:43:04 PM
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I agree they are obstructing the libs from doing whatever they want
- 08/02/2010 02:19:13 PM
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They've tried including Republicans in drafting bills.
- 08/02/2010 03:08:17 PM
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tyring to pcik off one republican is not including republicans
- 09/02/2010 05:03:44 AM
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So we've gone from "stop being secretive" to "no public meetings" eh?
- 09/02/2010 11:59:50 AM
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well it was your guy who was up in arms about private meetings
- 09/02/2010 02:29:34 PM
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Was it? I don't recall any Dem complaining about private meeting on healthcare.
- 10/02/2010 09:44:56 AM
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most liberals seem to foretting the "rhetoric" that Obama used to get elected
- 13/02/2010 06:54:34 AM
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