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Whom do you prefer? Joel Send a noteboard - 09/02/2010 10:07:39 AM
Again, the thing I like about socialism is that I don't trust industry or the government, so I want them to compete against each other. If, however, you think Congress will be less responsive to your complaints than a private firm whose executives you can't fire, when they can (and often do) monopolize all insurance in your state, that's ridiculous. Perhaps the publics control of government is limited, but its control of monopolies on essential needs is non-existent. About all they can do is demand government intervention when things get bad enough, which is why each time they've done just that in the past twenty years the industry immediately stepped up to convince them things aren't REALLY that bad (or rather that the government version would be worse despite the fact that's not been the case in any country that's tried it. )
And sorry blaming lobbyist is a weak argument. Both times democrats had the biggest bully pulpit in the world and failed to use it. They had open and vocal support form the major news outlets. If they have failed to get their message across you either need to blame the message or the messenger.

I blame the messengers, both the ones peddling falsehood and the ones so ineptly attempting universal public healthcare. That's the issue that got Clinton elected and it's the one he should've jumped on out of the gate (instead of jumping on DADT to appease a partisan niche and alarm nearly everyone else; spend your political capital on something big, while you've still got it. ) It's a lot of what got Obama elected and what HE should've tackled first instead of giving hundreds of billions to people who knowingly made bad loans hoping to enrich themselves with high interest (he spent nearly all his political capital on that, and it worked, but then he was out and where does that leave the country?) I blame the messenger plenty, but saying their ineptness excuses the naked falsehoods proclaimed to defeat the policy is like saying it's OK to steal a car if the door's unlocked.
Did you ever consider that the reason the democrats keep failing is they keep doing such a poor job of things? If they focused on the reforms people want instead of trying to force feed a huge government program that might build the trust they need to get bigger project done. Right now most liberals are pissed that they didn't get the chance to force what they wanted on the country during the little window of power they had but they never thought of trying to open the window wider. Liberals can barely control the democratic party but they think they have the right to dictate to the entire country and seem stunned and angry when they fail again and again.

No one can control the Democratic Party, and that's a large part of the problem. There are just too many diverse views all insisting their way is right to satisfy all of them, and any attempts to enforce discipline are viewed as tyranny by the offended party. Put another way, if they reach out too far to those on the right their base will abandon them (and, again, probably 40% of the disapproval in polling on the Senate healthcare bill was from libs who thought they gave away the store; with them on board again overall approval would likely to from ~40% to ~60%. ) But, yes, the reason they keep failing is because they do such a poor job of things; they've got great ideas and sorry implementation (as opposed to the GOP leadership that has bad ideas and superb implementation. )
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Maybe; Billy Mitchell might debate that were he alive. - 05/02/2010 05:34:54 AM 647 Views
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Some information and a question - 02/03/2010 05:49:20 AM 1063 Views
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I there was plenty of whining going on - 02/02/2010 10:36:56 PM 447 Views
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They've tried including Republicans in drafting bills. - 08/02/2010 03:08:17 PM 578 Views
tyring to pcik off one republican is not including republicans - 09/02/2010 05:03:44 AM 517 Views
Um... sorry, man.... - 10/02/2010 11:06:22 AM 689 Views

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