Was it? I don't recall any Dem complaining about private meeting on healthcare.
Joel Send a noteboard - 10/02/2010 09:44:56 AM
I think they should meet behind closed doors or they will never be able accomplish anything. It isn't like closed door meeting wouldn't happen anyways. No I think if you want to meet with the oppposistion and work things out you make it real meetings that conduct real business and stop the silly dog and pony show photo ops that no one but the true believers think amount to working together.
Frankly, I believe very strongly in sunshine rules, be it on healthcare, energy policy or anything else. If you're going to spend taxpayer money writing policy binding on taxpayers you have an obligation to at least inform them of what you're going to do to them before you do it. But complaining that the Dems won't discuss things in public or engage you and then rejecting their invitation to a public meeting is ridiculous. All that is is trying to nail Obamas foot to the floor while avoiding doing it to the Republicans: You go on the record, and we'll talk off the record. Yeah, screw that.

Bush was able to accomplish bipartsian legislation and some of the bigger bills had dem cosponsors. To bad Obama can live up the example set by Bush.
Mmm, yes, every good thing that happened in the '80s was because of Reagans unsurpassed leadership, and everything was that evil Dem Congress. Surely McCain-Feingold didn't pass because Russ Feingold was actually COMMITTED to campaign finance reform more than to his party (even though he publicly pledged to accept no soft money in his '98 re-election campaign, even to the point of angrily calling the DNC and demanding they cease issue ads they aired without his permission. ) And everyone knows Ted Kennedy was a Democrat above all, who never cared about education policy until George Bush raised the issue.

The Republicans say the Dems healthcare bill is bad, but where's THEIR bill...?
That was crap when Kerry pulled his "I disagree with everything Bush has done but would do all the same things" schtick and it still is.
Reid put a hold on the nominees but he wanted one of his friends appointed to an energy commision.
Which raises another good point: It may look good in Mr. Smith, but one man filibusters just don't happen anymore because of how the rules are written. Even if Reid had an ulterior motive that still doesn't explain why the other Dems refused to vote for cloture (they seemed to feel it was because the nominees would be bad federal judges. ) Likewise Shelbys porklust (which is totally different than thinking the President should've appointed the guy you think better suited) doesn't explain why the rest of his party refuses to vote for cloture on ANYTHING. Ironically, the only thing Congressional Republicans have allowed to be enacted are the Wall Street bailouts they want to blame entirely on Obama.
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Why bipartisanship can't work: the expert view
01/02/2010 11:34:58 PM
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And a personal comment
01/02/2010 11:39:28 PM
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Who's to say YOU really know what's happening in Washington, though?
02/02/2010 01:41:20 AM
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not to mention those who mistake knowledge for understanding
02/02/2010 10:41:14 PM
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Even so.
05/02/2010 05:45:54 AM
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Like the NYT?
05/02/2010 02:12:36 PM
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I don't believe the Times has ever conceded bias.
05/02/2010 06:03:02 PM
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and neither does Fox so I am not sure that matters
05/02/2010 06:40:15 PM
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Note that I didn't mention Fox (or anyone, for that matter. )
05/02/2010 07:13:31 PM
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PBS is biased
05/02/2010 07:21:14 PM
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You're entitled to believe that.
05/02/2010 07:31:07 PM
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PBS has an obvious yet undeclared bias so does NPR
09/02/2010 04:47:53 AM
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Even were that true (which I dispute) my statement stands.
09/02/2010 09:50:36 AM
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so they wouldn't be biased becuas it could hurt them but you still argue republicans attack them
09/02/2010 02:19:53 PM
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We have been for some time.
02/02/2010 03:31:10 AM
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I don't think that's the case
03/02/2010 02:59:50 PM
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Universal healthcare was the primary plank in Clintons '92 platform.
04/02/2010 10:02:18 AM
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That does not mean his bare plurality was an endorsement of National Healthcare
04/02/2010 02:09:32 PM
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I don't think he won by default, and that was his primary issue.
05/02/2010 08:09:50 AM
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Re: I don't think he won by default, and that was his primary issue.
05/02/2010 03:52:23 PM
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[insert witty subject line here]
06/02/2010 02:15:21 AM
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Let me break this into multiple replies here
06/02/2010 07:45:36 PM
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'K
08/02/2010 01:22:12 PM
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Probably time to go into 'summary mode'
08/02/2010 07:34:55 PM
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Again, we're back to "how would you prefer to do it?"
09/02/2010 09:42:51 AM
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Any way that works, which currently probably is none
09/02/2010 06:12:41 PM
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I think HDI is more accurate than nothing, though it certainly needs some fine tuning.
10/02/2010 11:03:08 AM
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I'll play a bigger age card since it was my third election to vote in and he won because of Perot
05/02/2010 05:57:04 PM
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Let's put it another way: Why did Dems nominate him instead of, say, Gephardt?
06/02/2010 02:22:04 AM
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you don't get mandates from primaries
08/02/2010 02:12:29 PM
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No, but end of the day more people wanted healthcare than didn't.
08/02/2010 03:09:31 PM
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everyone want health care they just don't want congress runnig it
09/02/2010 04:56:44 AM
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Whom do you prefer?
09/02/2010 10:07:39 AM
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Sorry not a big fan of socialism I hear it big over in Europe though
09/02/2010 02:23:55 PM
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In other words you prefer the system we have; thanks for admitting it.
10/02/2010 10:05:38 AM
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I prefer Thomas Woods Jr's description of bipartisanship
02/02/2010 02:49:06 AM
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If only someone had stood up on 8 December, 1941 and said, "hey, you're not supposed to do stuff!"
02/02/2010 03:28:38 AM
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you're making a good job taking things out of context, Joel
03/02/2010 12:47:57 PM
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Don't speak in absolutes and I won't read absolutes.
04/02/2010 10:08:43 AM
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Some qualifiers can be left unsaid for a clearer message. Or better delivery
04/02/2010 10:26:56 AM
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Qualifiers are clarifying by nature.
04/02/2010 10:49:06 AM
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huh. That does make sense. I know malpractice is a big weight on the the system in the US.
04/02/2010 11:58:37 AM
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Perhaps, but it's hardly the greatest weight, or even in the top three, IMHO.
05/02/2010 05:44:49 AM
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Pearl Harbor would never have happened to a classically liberal nation
05/02/2010 01:33:56 AM
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Wow - that was a dumb statement even for you!
05/02/2010 04:22:59 PM
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I do generally agree, but I think the Washington Naval Conference is too often overlooked.
06/02/2010 02:33:51 AM
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Politicians and pundits should stop calling things that happened in the last decade "unprecedented"
02/02/2010 03:23:27 AM
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Or the democratic party has shifted so far to to the left they can't even get all of the dems
02/02/2010 02:39:14 PM
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You didn't hear all the whining when Bush was in charge with a Republican Congress?
02/02/2010 08:50:05 PM
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I there was plenty of whining going on
02/02/2010 10:36:56 PM
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Is this you conceding that the GOP is being obstructionist?
08/02/2010 01:43:04 PM
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I agree they are obstructing the libs from doing whatever they want
08/02/2010 02:19:13 PM
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They've tried including Republicans in drafting bills.
08/02/2010 03:08:17 PM
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tyring to pcik off one republican is not including republicans
09/02/2010 05:03:44 AM
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So we've gone from "stop being secretive" to "no public meetings" eh?
09/02/2010 11:59:50 AM
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well it was your guy who was up in arms about private meetings
09/02/2010 02:29:34 PM
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Was it? I don't recall any Dem complaining about private meeting on healthcare.
10/02/2010 09:44:56 AM
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most liberals seem to foretting the "rhetoric" that Obama used to get elected
13/02/2010 06:54:34 AM
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