For profit isn't automatically BAD, just an unwise panacea for essential services.
Joel Send a noteboard - 05/03/2010 05:45:36 PM
I was watching the news this morning and I started thinking about health insurance. As I thought more about it, I realized that I think it should be universally accessible, and I don't like the idea of it being a for-profit enterprise, because if the objective is maximum profit, the likelihood of the customer getting screwed increases by about a million. I'm fine with a competitive for-profit, say, video game industry, but when we're talking about health insurance, things are a little different, right? So then I thought, "Wouldn't it be great if there was a big non-profit enterprise to deal health insurance, with the costs paid for by the taxes we already pay...wait a minute..."
Oh my god, I'm a socialist! How could this happen! Someone talk me out of it, quickly!
Oh my god, I'm a socialist! How could this happen! Someone talk me out of it, quickly!
As is so often forgotten, just about every socialist state has privately run health insurance operating for profit right alongside its state system. If people want to spend a little more to get a little more they're free to do that, but no one has to do without something as basic and critical as healthcare just because they can't afford private insurance.
But, yeah, the points you made are a lot of the reason I'm a socialist, even if it makes me a pariah to some. For profit non-essential services are fine, because if the price is too high or the quality too low you can do without (the example I normally use is diamonds; De Beers has a virtual global monopoly, but no one's dying for lack of diamonds. ) Socializing basic things like food, housing and medical care just ensures people don't die in the street, because it's hard to say, "your food is too expensive and fattening; I'm not eating anymore!" And all the complaints about accountability and corruption in government programs aren't magically eliminated in the private sector (just ask Enron investors. ) The difference is you get to vote for POTUS; you don't get to vote for President of Prudential.
Socialism isn't communism lite; governments role is, at least ideally, restricted to essential services to guarantee that since everyone needs them everyone gets them as part of the return on their taxes. Private enterprise is still free to flourish, often exclusively in other areas and quite often in competition with government programs where those exist. The people who insist government programs are crap and want to pay for something better remain free to do that, but those without that option aren't forced to do without anything they need to live. That's another key difference between socialism and both pure capitalism and pure communism: Government and private services compete, rather than either getting a captive audience. For those of us who don't trust big government OR big business, requiring both to justify themselves relative to the other is a real plus.
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Oh my god...I'm a socialist!
- 05/03/2010 02:46:17 PM
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Just remind yourself how good the government is with its other efforts
- 05/03/2010 03:00:26 PM
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And remember that some of the biggest health insurance companies are already "non-profits".
- 05/03/2010 03:18:45 PM
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The problem with "look how bad govt. programs are" is it ignores the "starve the beast" theory.
- 05/03/2010 05:51:50 PM
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You really think taking the money oput of the system won't affect innovation?
- 05/03/2010 10:09:20 PM
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those drugs would probably still get developed, and at about the same rate as before
- 06/03/2010 07:14:07 AM
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Re: those drugs would probably still get developed, and at about the same rate as before
- 06/03/2010 09:37:44 AM
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just like taking the profit out of insurance will make healthcare affordable?
- 06/03/2010 12:12:25 PM
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No, I don't, because expired patents would drive it if nothing else did.
- 15/03/2010 06:32:55 AM
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Don't worry it isn't like we have free market economics in health care right now
- 05/03/2010 03:19:39 PM
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Hold on a sec.
- 05/03/2010 05:58:00 PM
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That's not really a socialist policy.
- 05/03/2010 03:24:59 PM
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True. The European far-right isn't really far-right (or even right) in economic terms. *NM*
- 05/03/2010 11:46:15 PM
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you don't seem to understand socialism. visit wikipedia and check it out there. *NM*
- 05/03/2010 05:16:02 PM
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Making healthcare universally accessible is not socialist...
- 05/03/2010 05:29:16 PM
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It is universally accessible now
- 05/03/2010 05:43:52 PM
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Ah, like the Rolls Royce is universally acceptable.
- 05/03/2010 05:52:59 PM
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BS *NM*
- 05/03/2010 06:08:52 PM
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BSS
- 05/03/2010 06:28:15 PM
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Random Thoughts
- 05/03/2010 06:31:00 PM
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For profit isn't automatically BAD, just an unwise panacea for essential services.
- 05/03/2010 05:45:36 PM
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Government run isn't automatically BAD, just an unwise panacea for essential services.
- 05/03/2010 06:30:14 PM
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Universal healthcare is good...
- 05/03/2010 10:13:01 PM
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great I was really hoping we could hear from a moron and you seem to fit the bill
- 05/03/2010 11:39:15 PM
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I think he was joking RT - note the
at the end of the message
*NM*
- 06/03/2010 09:23:45 AM
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at the end of the message
*NM*
- 06/03/2010 09:23:45 AM
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How does "Don't worry, it will never happen in America either way" sound?
- 05/03/2010 11:49:23 PM
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