As recently noted, Canada and other countries innovate just fine, but far be it from me to let that interfere with good rhetoric. 

Thank you Joel, I did just say "Forget for the moment how well it is or isn't working in other countries", this is an ER situation, not chronic treatment, he's come down with a trauma case of 'Lefty', a shot of adrenaline to the heart is necessary

Anyway, my main point is it's a little disingenuous when government programs are hamstrung by a party that then cites the resulting poor performance as proof government programs don't work. It's like putting Kim Jong Il in charge of the IAEA and then pointing to North Korea as "proof" it doesn't work. If a system is designed to fail failure isn't a huge surprise, but it's sometimes more indicative of poor management than an inherently poor system. There are a lot of critics of Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, but few among those receiving any of them, and even those few usually complain they don't get MORE government services. Fortunately we have things like private retirement investments and private healthcare for those who can afford the greater service they desire, but, once again, no one who CAN'T afford more is forced to accept nothing.
Yes, pro-capitalists sometimes sabotage socialist programs and then scream about failure, and pro-socialists regularly point at enterprises that are way far away from genuine free-market examples via their regulation and scream about corporate greed and it's failures. I don't think either set of cases represent the norm or are responsible for most of the problems that pop up. To your other point, I don't consider customer satisfaction of vote yourself rich schemes much of an argument, and before you say it, no, obviously few beneficiaries get rich from it, not the point.
The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift.
- Albert Einstein
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Chancellor of the Landsraad, Archduke of Is'Mod
- Albert Einstein
King of Cairhien 20-7-2
Chancellor of the Landsraad, Archduke of Is'Mod
Oh my god...I'm a socialist!
- 05/03/2010 02:46:17 PM
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Just remind yourself how good the government is with its other efforts
- 05/03/2010 03:00:26 PM
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And remember that some of the biggest health insurance companies are already "non-profits".
- 05/03/2010 03:18:45 PM
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The problem with "look how bad govt. programs are" is it ignores the "starve the beast" theory.
- 05/03/2010 05:51:50 PM
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That works both ways
- 05/03/2010 06:13:43 PM
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You really think taking the money oput of the system won't affect innovation?
- 05/03/2010 10:09:20 PM
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those drugs would probably still get developed, and at about the same rate as before
- 06/03/2010 07:14:07 AM
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Re: those drugs would probably still get developed, and at about the same rate as before
- 06/03/2010 09:37:44 AM
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just like taking the profit out of insurance will make healthcare affordable?
- 06/03/2010 12:12:25 PM
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No, I don't, because expired patents would drive it if nothing else did.
- 15/03/2010 06:32:55 AM
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Don't worry it isn't like we have free market economics in health care right now
- 05/03/2010 03:19:39 PM
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Hold on a sec.
- 05/03/2010 05:58:00 PM
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That's not really a socialist policy.
- 05/03/2010 03:24:59 PM
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True. The European far-right isn't really far-right (or even right) in economic terms. *NM*
- 05/03/2010 11:46:15 PM
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you don't seem to understand socialism. visit wikipedia and check it out there. *NM*
- 05/03/2010 05:16:02 PM
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Making healthcare universally accessible is not socialist...
- 05/03/2010 05:29:16 PM
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It is universally accessible now
- 05/03/2010 05:43:52 PM
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Ah, like the Rolls Royce is universally acceptable.
- 05/03/2010 05:52:59 PM
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BS *NM*
- 05/03/2010 06:08:52 PM
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BSS
- 05/03/2010 06:28:15 PM
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Random Thoughts
- 05/03/2010 06:31:00 PM
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For profit isn't automatically BAD, just an unwise panacea for essential services.
- 05/03/2010 05:45:36 PM
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Government run isn't automatically BAD, just an unwise panacea for essential services.
- 05/03/2010 06:30:14 PM
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Universal healthcare is good...
- 05/03/2010 10:13:01 PM
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great I was really hoping we could hear from a moron and you seem to fit the bill
- 05/03/2010 11:39:15 PM
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I think he was joking RT - note the
at the end of the message
*NM*
- 06/03/2010 09:23:45 AM
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at the end of the message
*NM*
- 06/03/2010 09:23:45 AM
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How does "Don't worry, it will never happen in America either way" sound?
- 05/03/2010 11:49:23 PM
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