I know it is a consideration to me. I could probably make a living growing pot but the idea of going to prison scare the crap out of me.
I am not against rehabilitation but punishment needs to be part of equalization as well. Part of the problem is the system is overwhelmed with drugs cases that really have no reason to be in prison. If the system was smaller it would be more manageable and more effective.
I'm sorry but that simply isn't true. Knowing the consequences does not stop everyone but it does stop mist from committing crimes. how many people would even follow the speed limit if there is no punishment.
Horse shit. If someone wrongs you in some way you have the right to demand they be punished. If someone was to walk up and spit in your face kick you in balls and the slap how would you react? If a cop saw it happen and the gut promised to never again spit in your face kick you in balls and then slap you would you just walk away? What if he promised to go see a therapist about and get help?
Sorry but the idea that the victims of crime do not have the right to expect the people who committed crimes be punished is simply a big steaming pile of crap. Part of the contract we make with society when we agree to follow their rules and allow them to handle such things is that they will punish the people who wronged us. If they are not willing to that then people will simply say screw it and take matters into their own hands. Why not is isn't like they will be punished for it.
The problem is you almost never get the level of certainty you are speaking of.
And, for the most part, it has no idea what it's trying to do which is part of the problem.
Some prisons try to rehabilitate. Others punish. Others just take people out of society and later drop them back in again.
I am not against rehabilitation but punishment needs to be part of equalization as well. Part of the problem is the system is overwhelmed with drugs cases that really have no reason to be in prison. If the system was smaller it would be more manageable and more effective.
The legal system (in my personal opinion only naturally) should never be about 'punishment'. If deterrence really worked, it could be, but it's been pretty well proven that going to jail or even being executed isn't a deterrent. People do stupid and criminal things even knowing full well what the consequences are because in that moment, they aren't thinking of legal consequences.
I'm sorry but that simply isn't true. Knowing the consequences does not stop everyone but it does stop mist from committing crimes. how many people would even follow the speed limit if there is no punishment.
It can't be about revenge - that' pointless and lowers the state to a pretty abominable level.
Horse shit. If someone wrongs you in some way you have the right to demand they be punished. If someone was to walk up and spit in your face kick you in balls and the slap how would you react? If a cop saw it happen and the gut promised to never again spit in your face kick you in balls and then slap you would you just walk away? What if he promised to go see a therapist about and get help?
Sorry but the idea that the victims of crime do not have the right to expect the people who committed crimes be punished is simply a big steaming pile of crap. Part of the contract we make with society when we agree to follow their rules and allow them to handle such things is that they will punish the people who wronged us. If they are not willing to that then people will simply say screw it and take matters into their own hands. Why not is isn't like they will be punished for it.
It has to be about the one thing that makes logical sense. Public safety and the good of society. That means it should 'triage' prisoners. Those it can rehab - it should. Those it cannot rehab but who aren't obscenely dangerous (or ABSOLUTELY proven guilty) it should remove from society. Those who ARE dangerous, who will re-offend and who are CERTAIN to be the perpetrator, it should execute. That last would be a very small number, however.
The problem is you almost never get the level of certainty you are speaking of.
A level-of-comfort question regarding imprisonment of mixed innocent and guilty groups.
- 05/03/2010 02:39:53 AM
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as things stands, I don't think we'd ever reach a level where that'd be necessary oO
- 05/03/2010 03:24:07 AM
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100%
- 05/03/2010 03:47:31 AM
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Law of averages says there are certainly many innocent people in prison.
- 05/03/2010 04:09:41 AM
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Doesn't matter
- 05/03/2010 04:22:19 AM
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Clarification: X% of them definitely did not meet the standards of reasonable doubt.
- 05/03/2010 09:44:09 PM
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A relevant question; it seems to hinge on where one draws the line.
- 05/03/2010 04:19:34 AM
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I never really liked silly questions like this
- 05/03/2010 02:23:36 PM
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If there were 2,000,000 innocent and only 1 guilty, retrying everyone would not be practical.
- 05/03/2010 09:22:16 PM
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That's silly though
- 05/03/2010 09:39:53 PM
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Re: That's silly though
- 05/03/2010 11:11:50 PM
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Re: That's silly though
- 06/03/2010 12:11:06 AM
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what does the chance of reoffending have to do with guilt?
- 05/03/2010 10:02:21 PM
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Debt can be paid off, leaving the question of rehabilitation. *NM*
- 05/03/2010 10:32:38 PM
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I still don't see the realtionship to guilt
- 05/03/2010 10:59:28 PM
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Re: I still don't see the realtionship to guilt
- 05/03/2010 11:31:51 PM
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there is a reason they call it the justice system and not the rehabilation system
- 05/03/2010 11:33:55 PM
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It's called all kinds of things
- 06/03/2010 12:02:00 AM
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Re: It's called all kinds of things
- 06/03/2010 05:44:32 AM
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Well, we aren't going to agree at all (and I DID say it was opinion)
- 07/03/2010 09:00:37 AM
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