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You should delve the debate before getting excited. Joel Send a noteboard - 23/03/2010 07:22:36 AM
I won't take the debate (I simply don't have the time), but I will say this makes me happy for you. America is actually moving in the direction of what I (in my warped, Scandinavian brain, obviously) think of as a civilised country. I did not think that would ever happen.

They tell me Norway has no private health insurance, not because it's illegal, but because there's no market. Making it illegal for an American NOT to buy private health insurance is a far cry from universal healthcare. This doesn't provide care to anyone, it obligates them to provide it for themselves (per the traditional American bootstrap levitation. ) Families earning <$88k/year are eligible for government subsidies that may or may not cover the entire cost, but health insurance will still be private, and the rates will still be set by private insurance carriers.

That's a big problem, because the motive to healthcare reform for several decades has been that costs are rising at a double digit annual percentage (several times the rate elsewhere in the industrialized world) and because they've been doing so for so long existing costs are already exorbitant. Virtually nothing in this bill addresses its primary motivation. The only thing that comes close are insurance "exchanges" in each state, but all those do is (hopefully) remedy the common practice of state legislatures granting a given insurer a monopoly over the states residents. The OTHER bill the House passed, headed for a non-filibustered Senate vote in a few days, would require federal approval for large rate hikes, but apart from that there are no cost controls. None. Not one. But every adult in the country is still required to pay those costs. Again, to give an idea of how expensive that will be, the subsidies to families earning <$88k/year will cost taxpayers $900 BILLION. Another way to look at that is that the private insurers gorging on American illness just had $900 billion dropped in their laps by federal law. Plus whatever it costs people who don't have insurance now but also earn too much to qualify for a subsidy, and plus whatever it costs ABOVE the subsidy for those who do qualify.

Healthcare is rapidly reaching a point where it will consume Americas GDP, because everyone needs it and there's little to no government regulation to either guarantee minimal coverage or limit costs. That, not charity, is the real incentive to legislating reform. Unfortunately, this bill accomplishes next to nothing toward that goal, and may actually exacerbate the problem by ensuring over a trillion dollars in additional revenue for an already ravenous industry.
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I know what you mean. I love hearing that the "majority" are against this. - 22/03/2010 01:57:15 PM 777 Views
surveys are crap anyways. - 22/03/2010 01:59:39 PM 603 Views
That's ignorance speaking. - 22/03/2010 02:02:46 PM 630 Views
well yah. Sorry, I wasn't meaning to say surveys as a whole are nonsense - 22/03/2010 02:09:42 PM 564 Views
Some are a plurality, some are a majority.... - 22/03/2010 04:01:56 PM 693 Views
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on the other hand *edited stupid spelling error* - 23/03/2010 03:09:47 AM 805 Views
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why? *NM* - 23/03/2010 03:37:00 PM 315 Views
Because "populous" is not a noun in English. *NM* - 23/03/2010 03:42:16 PM 312 Views
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damn you phonetics. - 23/03/2010 03:50:33 PM 916 Views
As Emo Philips would say - 23/03/2010 04:32:52 PM 686 Views
I always laugh when I see someone say people are "retarted" *NM* - 23/03/2010 03:51:46 PM 388 Views
"Get a life, morans!" *NM* - 23/03/2010 03:55:27 PM 313 Views
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A step in the wrong direction. - 22/03/2010 10:38:31 AM 782 Views
didn't realize it had - 22/03/2010 11:49:36 AM 627 Views
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I think with the saturation coverage it has been getting people are just worn out *NM* - 22/03/2010 01:27:59 PM 336 Views
hollah that. *NM* - 22/03/2010 01:58:47 PM 274 Views
Yes. - 22/03/2010 02:38:03 PM 629 Views
Re: No posts on the bill passing? - 22/03/2010 01:39:14 PM 638 Views
I chose to read about it first at the NYT, then the WSJ, then the Economist. - 22/03/2010 01:43:07 PM 822 Views
Re: I chose to read about it first at the NYT, then the WSJ, then the Economist. - 22/03/2010 02:01:07 PM 627 Views
The Bill won't get repealed. Whatever happens in November. - 23/03/2010 12:17:21 AM 638 Views
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I think reform had to start now. - 22/03/2010 02:27:11 PM 816 Views
That's a good column. - 22/03/2010 02:44:56 PM 715 Views
I think the problem highlight what I don't like about this bill - 22/03/2010 03:20:54 PM 641 Views
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Let's be realistic here at least.... - 22/03/2010 04:16:23 PM 630 Views
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Sorry, I was out seizing the means of production. *NM* - 22/03/2010 07:43:19 PM 272 Views
You should delve the debate before getting excited. - 23/03/2010 07:22:36 AM 718 Views
I really like what GRR Martin wrote in his blog. - 23/03/2010 09:55:11 AM 734 Views
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