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We'll never know; makes for fascinating speculative fiction. Joel Send a noteboard - 07/04/2010 01:13:49 AM
We'll never know how much was lost there, how many breakthroughs were forgotten and had to be rediscovered centuries later. That's before we even consider the impact on art and culture, on philosophy, on academics in general. How many ancient works only exist as fragments now, or even just allusions in other fragmentary works? Perhaps the greatest opportunity of our vaunted Information Age is to thoroughly and compactly preserve the sum of human learning in multiple durable forms. Obviously much of that is contingent on being able to access the data, but as long as there's a working piece of hardware with the data stored and a source of electricity it won't be lost. The downside, of course: Internet spam. :P


But yes, we may have been much farther than we are now had the Library survived.

As does Constantinople not falling, which was my first choice in light of our discussion above, but the flip side is that without it there's no Renaissance and modern Western culture as we know it would not exist. Ironically, Muslim territorial expansion during the Golden Age of the caliphates set the stage for Western supremacy when the Mid-East became insular.
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I know I just did a survey, but this was too good to pass up. - 07/04/2010 12:44:15 AM 829 Views
Myself: World War I. - 07/04/2010 12:45:57 AM 692 Views
I don't think it's that simple. - 07/04/2010 12:57:16 AM 650 Views
I see your point. - 07/04/2010 01:02:33 AM 639 Views
Sometimes sooner is better than later. - 07/04/2010 01:10:11 AM 616 Views
True. - 07/04/2010 01:14:45 AM 595 Views
True, one might even say *adding* a war there would've improved things. - 07/04/2010 01:36:07 AM 594 Views
*nods* A small war is usually preferable to a big war. - 07/04/2010 01:49:06 AM 604 Views
The Plague - 07/04/2010 12:52:33 AM 582 Views
Re: The Plague - 07/04/2010 01:05:35 AM 477 Views
Maybe; there were episodic plague epidemics before and after that time. - 07/04/2010 02:05:18 AM 631 Views
I am talking about one of the plagues not THE plague - 07/04/2010 02:50:25 AM 573 Views
Re: I am talking about one of the plagues not THE plague - 07/04/2010 08:45:26 PM 569 Views
I'm so glad you have the time and inclination to type up these replies. *NM* - 08/04/2010 07:09:22 AM 371 Views
...? - 08/04/2010 07:51:14 PM 491 Views
Sounds like he was thanking you for saving him the effort of writing a similar reply. *NM* - 08/04/2010 09:28:55 PM 393 Views
If that is the case, then great *NM* - 08/04/2010 09:30:51 PM 344 Views
The spread of Christianity - 07/04/2010 12:55:29 AM 660 Views
Huh. Wild to think about. *NM* - 07/04/2010 01:06:44 AM 377 Views
Re: The spread of Christianity - 07/04/2010 08:47:06 PM 471 Views
Re: The spread of Christianity - 08/04/2010 09:29:17 AM 490 Views
Why would that have an impact on Judaism? - 08/04/2010 01:40:47 PM 577 Views
Re: Why would that have an impact on Judaism? - 08/04/2010 01:42:25 PM 413 Views
But wasn't Christianity the inspiration for a whole era of art? *NM* - 08/04/2010 01:41:34 PM 439 Views
Re: But wasn't Christianity the inspiration for a whole era of art? - 08/04/2010 01:44:36 PM 627 Views
precisely. - 08/04/2010 05:37:26 PM 605 Views
sorry, didn't see that Lorraine already addressed this. *NM* - 08/04/2010 07:55:00 PM 375 Views
The Partition of India, 1947... *NM* - 07/04/2010 12:59:32 AM 372 Views
Any paticular reason why? *NM* - 07/04/2010 01:34:54 AM 370 Views
Agreed. *NM* - 07/04/2010 01:59:02 AM 490 Views
The destruction of the Great Library. - 07/04/2010 01:02:59 AM 547 Views
Internet spam sucks indeed. - 07/04/2010 01:08:23 AM 656 Views
We'll never know; makes for fascinating speculative fiction. - 07/04/2010 01:13:49 AM 605 Views
This whole topic is wild, it's something I sometimes think about. - 07/04/2010 01:17:50 AM 581 Views
Ya, that's what makes history so gripping. - 07/04/2010 01:19:54 AM 682 Views
I don't know if that's really true... - 07/04/2010 01:39:51 AM 595 Views
It wouldn't have been as sudden or extreme. - 07/04/2010 01:58:39 AM 633 Views
"Joel captures Alexandria! The Great Library is destroyed!" *NM* - 07/04/2010 01:08:35 AM 244 Views
NOOOO1111 - 07/04/2010 01:11:33 AM 512 Views
A shame. It's one of the better ones, too. *NM* - 07/04/2010 01:14:20 AM 372 Views
Not in the first two Civs. - 07/04/2010 01:22:43 AM 443 Views
Civ, i love that game... - 07/04/2010 03:01:13 AM 555 Views
Yeah that's one of the small annoying things - 07/04/2010 07:34:52 AM 436 Views
An interesting point - 07/04/2010 02:57:03 AM 603 Views
That's usually my reply to this question too *NM* - 07/04/2010 11:42:55 AM 345 Views
if the giant meteor hadn't destroyed the dinosaurs... - 07/04/2010 01:10:42 AM 510 Views
"FOR" global warming? Now there's a phrase I never thought I'd here! - 07/04/2010 01:16:04 AM 434 Views
The spread of Islam - 07/04/2010 01:26:11 AM 612 Views
oh aren't you clever. *NM* - 07/04/2010 01:47:13 AM 355 Views
There's such a thing as being right for the wrong reasons, though I'm not sure he is. - 07/04/2010 02:12:14 AM 421 Views
Wikipedia is of course not a scholarly source, but all the same... - 07/04/2010 11:57:01 AM 578 Views
Fair enough. - 07/04/2010 12:51:16 PM 573 Views
I read the Bernard Lewis article referred to at Wikipedia... - 07/04/2010 01:19:03 PM 558 Views
So it's borrowed propaganda. - 13/04/2010 09:30:39 AM 539 Views
Re: The spread of Islam - 08/04/2010 09:24:31 AM 649 Views
Haha, are you kidding? - 08/04/2010 07:59:39 PM 415 Views
Re: Haha, are you kidding? - 08/04/2010 08:50:33 PM 404 Views
Ask yourself the question... - 08/04/2010 09:33:33 PM 415 Views
I don't see the connection. - 08/04/2010 08:49:46 PM 602 Views
Re: I don't see the connection. - 08/04/2010 08:51:21 PM 460 Views
I'd better not touch this one - 07/04/2010 03:12:00 AM 628 Views
The spread of Judaism. - 07/04/2010 04:30:37 AM 547 Views
Re: The spread of Judaism. - 07/04/2010 07:31:02 AM 491 Views
I...do not know. - 07/04/2010 07:18:13 AM 482 Views
Amusing that the underlying expectation seems to be more along political history lines - 07/04/2010 12:56:49 PM 669 Views
Considering the way history is taught, is it surprising? *NM* - 08/04/2010 07:11:03 AM 333 Views
Nope, not really - 08/04/2010 10:24:54 AM 580 Views
Here's one that'll be more to your liking... - 08/04/2010 10:40:53 AM 423 Views
Yes - 08/04/2010 10:52:11 AM 557 Views
Re: Here's one that'll be more to your liking... - 08/04/2010 11:58:27 AM 450 Views
Uh... - 08/04/2010 12:11:14 PM 610 Views
Re: Uh... - 08/04/2010 12:15:20 PM 623 Views
The Devil is always in the details - 08/04/2010 12:29:25 PM 580 Views
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Not really - 08/04/2010 01:07:57 PM 538 Views
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Only to a degree - 08/04/2010 01:27:22 PM 547 Views
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I was into cultural and religious history - 08/04/2010 01:38:24 PM 553 Views
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Ha! - 08/04/2010 01:49:23 PM 589 Views
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I'm really sleep deprived... - 08/04/2010 02:13:20 PM 706 Views
Re: I'm really sleep deprived... - 08/04/2010 02:19:07 PM 466 Views
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Interesting fact of the day for you two... - 08/04/2010 02:45:15 PM 453 Views
I know - 08/04/2010 02:46:41 PM 587 Views
It was nice being a "threadkiller" of a different sort - 08/04/2010 10:08:34 PM 459 Views
Quote Pyramids of Destiny FTL *NM* - 08/04/2010 10:16:21 PM 361 Views
me being born mega rich *NM* - 07/04/2010 02:15:34 PM 450 Views
Joanie Loves Chachi. - 07/04/2010 03:42:56 PM 509 Views
worse than "afterMASH"?? *NM* - 07/04/2010 03:50:10 PM 329 Views
Worse than "Joey" ? *NM* - 07/04/2010 06:48:25 PM 355 Views
If you remember Joanie loves Chachi, you might be too old? - 08/04/2010 12:00:34 AM 441 Views
Re: I know I just did a survey, but this was too good to pass up. - 07/04/2010 09:04:02 PM 460 Views
Science getting on the ball in the 40's and making superhumans *NM* - 08/04/2010 05:31:34 AM 402 Views
The spread of peanut butter and jelly. - 08/04/2010 07:12:21 AM 600 Views
The Bread of Christianity. - 08/04/2010 07:12:51 AM 591 Views
The dead of Christianity. - 08/04/2010 07:13:34 AM 576 Views
The thread of Christianity. - 08/04/2010 07:14:15 AM 527 Views
The head of [Roman Catholic] Christianity. - 08/04/2010 07:15:21 AM 562 Views
You completely missed the "pick 1" part of the question, didn't you? *NM* - 08/04/2010 09:26:23 AM 360 Views
Well, techinically, I never said that you couldn't make multible posts, each discussing 1 thing. *NM* - 08/04/2010 05:36:37 PM 332 Views
I'm fairly sure he was just mocking someone's earlier post "just thought it would be interesting..." *NM* - 08/04/2010 08:06:56 PM 335 Views
I'm pretty sure of that too. *NM* - 08/04/2010 08:33:46 PM 340 Views
...it's pretty interesting *NM* - 08/04/2010 08:35:47 PM 399 Views
just as you thought it would be? *NM* - 08/04/2010 08:44:49 PM 335 Views
My parody. - 08/04/2010 10:41:29 PM 538 Views
Re: My parody. - 09/04/2010 07:29:19 AM 616 Views
The 1987 Rugby World Cup Final - 13/04/2010 12:23:17 PM 619 Views

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