As does Constantinople not falling, which was my first choice in light of our discussion above, but the flip side is that without it there's no Renaissance and modern Western culture as we know it would not exist. Ironically, Muslim territorial expansion during the Golden Age of the caliphates set the stage for Western supremacy when the Mid-East became insular.
The part about the Renaissance not happening without the fall of Constantinople, that is. Certainly, Byzantine refugees helped speed things along, but I don't think you can say it wouldn't have happened without them.
I think it had less to do with refugees than the Fourth Crusade sacking Constantinople before they left (giving the lie to the suggestion it was still a religious rather than political war, if that had ever been true. ) Maybe the walls fall to the worlds first cannon without it (probably, in fact) but the Fourth Crusade left the city vulnerable and exhausted, and the European armies carried back untold treasures on Venetian ships that seem to have been there largely for that purpose from the start. A wealth (in every sense) of art and learning was carried back to Medieval Europe from the dying city. I tend to view the Fourth Crusade like Aeneas carrying Anchises from Troy to Italy--if he'd burned the place himself first.
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LoL. Be well, RAFOlk.
I know I just did a survey, but this was too good to pass up.
- 07/04/2010 12:44:15 AM
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Myself: World War I.
- 07/04/2010 12:45:57 AM
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I don't think it's that simple.
- 07/04/2010 12:57:16 AM
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I see your point.
- 07/04/2010 01:02:33 AM
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True, one might even say *adding* a war there would've improved things.
- 07/04/2010 01:36:07 AM
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Re: True, one might even say *adding* a war there would've improved things.
- 07/04/2010 10:48:49 AM
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I had a teacher with an interesting theory related to that
- 07/04/2010 12:57:49 AM
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Well, at this time, it was pretty well accepted that Russia wasn't exactly a techinical power.
- 07/04/2010 01:04:35 AM
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The Plague
- 07/04/2010 12:52:33 AM
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Re: The Plague
- 07/04/2010 01:05:35 AM
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He must be talking about a different plague, but I'm not sure which one, either. *NM*
- 07/04/2010 01:37:32 AM
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Maybe; there were episodic plague epidemics before and after that time.
- 07/04/2010 02:05:18 AM
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I am talking about one of the plagues not THE plague
- 07/04/2010 02:50:25 AM
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Re: I am talking about one of the plagues not THE plague
- 07/04/2010 08:45:26 PM
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I'm so glad you have the time and inclination to type up these replies.
*NM*
- 08/04/2010 07:09:22 AM
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*NM*
- 08/04/2010 07:09:22 AM
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...?
- 08/04/2010 07:51:14 PM
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Sounds like he was thanking you for saving him the effort of writing a similar reply. *NM*
- 08/04/2010 09:28:55 PM
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OK, think this one's been pretty thoroughly covered in my absence.
- 13/04/2010 11:51:16 AM
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- 13/04/2010 11:51:16 AM
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The spread of Christianity
- 07/04/2010 12:55:29 AM
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Re: The spread of Christianity
- 08/04/2010 09:29:17 AM
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But wasn't Christianity the inspiration for a whole era of art? *NM*
- 08/04/2010 01:41:34 PM
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Re: But wasn't Christianity the inspiration for a whole era of art?
- 08/04/2010 01:44:36 PM
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The product of Christian inspiration was heavily Hellenistic in origin...
- 08/04/2010 07:54:12 PM
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The destruction of the Great Library.
- 07/04/2010 01:02:59 AM
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Internet spam sucks indeed.
- 07/04/2010 01:08:23 AM
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We'll never know; makes for fascinating speculative fiction.
- 07/04/2010 01:13:49 AM
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This whole topic is wild, it's something I sometimes think about.
- 07/04/2010 01:17:50 AM
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I don't know if that's really true...
- 07/04/2010 01:39:51 AM
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It wouldn't have been as sudden or extreme.
- 07/04/2010 01:58:39 AM
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"Joel captures Alexandria! The Great Library is destroyed!" *NM*
- 07/04/2010 01:08:35 AM
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It's crazy to think that the human knowledge base doubles every 2 years...
- 07/04/2010 08:49:28 PM
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Literacy and communication have literally made a world of difference.
- 13/04/2010 09:25:45 AM
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if the giant meteor hadn't destroyed the dinosaurs...
- 07/04/2010 01:10:42 AM
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"FOR" global warming? Now there's a phrase I never thought I'd here!
- 07/04/2010 01:16:04 AM
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The spread of Islam
- 07/04/2010 01:26:11 AM
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oh aren't you clever. *NM*
- 07/04/2010 01:47:13 AM
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There's such a thing as being right for the wrong reasons, though I'm not sure he is.
- 07/04/2010 02:12:14 AM
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Wikipedia is of course not a scholarly source, but all the same...
- 07/04/2010 11:57:01 AM
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Fair enough.
- 07/04/2010 12:51:16 PM
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Re: The spread of Islam
- 08/04/2010 09:24:31 AM
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I...do not know.
- 07/04/2010 07:18:13 AM
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A lot of times, you change one thing, and everything changes- even the things you don't think about.
- 07/04/2010 12:26:51 PM
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Amusing that the underlying expectation seems to be more along political history lines
- 07/04/2010 12:56:49 PM
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Here's one that'll be more to your liking...
- 08/04/2010 10:40:53 AM
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Re: Here's one that'll be more to your liking...
- 08/04/2010 11:58:27 AM
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Uh...
- 08/04/2010 12:11:14 PM
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Re: Uh...
- 08/04/2010 12:15:20 PM
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The Devil is always in the details
- 08/04/2010 12:29:25 PM
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- 08/04/2010 12:29:25 PM
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Re: The Devil is always in the details
- 08/04/2010 12:32:34 PM
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- 08/04/2010 12:32:34 PM
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Not really
- 08/04/2010 01:07:57 PM
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Re: Not really
- 08/04/2010 01:10:16 PM
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Only to a degree
- 08/04/2010 01:27:22 PM
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Re: Only to a degree
- 08/04/2010 01:30:12 PM
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I was into cultural and religious history
- 08/04/2010 01:38:24 PM
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Re: I was into cultural and religious history
- 08/04/2010 01:41:31 PM
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Ha!
- 08/04/2010 01:49:23 PM
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- 08/04/2010 01:49:23 PM
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Re: Ha!
- 08/04/2010 01:51:28 PM
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- 08/04/2010 01:51:28 PM
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Since, surprisingly, no one's pointed it out yet, prehistory/=history.
- 13/04/2010 09:52:19 AM
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Re: I know I just did a survey, but this was too good to pass up.
- 07/04/2010 09:04:02 PM
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Science getting on the ball in the 40's and making superhumans *NM*
- 08/04/2010 05:31:34 AM
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The spread of peanut butter and jelly.
- 08/04/2010 07:12:21 AM
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I think two spreads that would be better to eliminate would be marmite and vegemite (sp).
- 08/04/2010 05:30:26 PM
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- 08/04/2010 05:30:26 PM
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The head of [Roman Catholic] Christianity.
- 08/04/2010 07:15:21 AM
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You completely missed the "pick 1" part of the question, didn't you? *NM*
- 08/04/2010 09:26:23 AM
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Well, techinically, I never said that you couldn't make multible posts, each discussing 1 thing. *NM*
- 08/04/2010 05:36:37 PM
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I'm fairly sure he was just mocking someone's earlier post "just thought it would be interesting..." *NM*
- 08/04/2010 08:06:56 PM
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I'm pretty sure of that too. *NM*
- 08/04/2010 08:33:46 PM
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