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Fair enough. Joel Send a noteboard - 07/04/2010 12:51:16 PM
The partition of India, the fall of Constantinople and the Balkan tensions that catalyzed the Great War never occur without Islams vibrant early expansion. On the other hand, Islams Golden Age maintained and increased Greco-Roman learning, in an age when Europe was concerned with nothing more than looking back to the glory days of Christian Rome and the Great Library was little more than legend (though the final end of that monument came at the hands of Muslim conquerors. )

its article on the Library of Alexandria rather debunks that myth.

In double checking I did go by there, but somehow read the part about Saladin using the story to mean it had some kernel of truth originally. Probably because the article says the first Western account was in 1663, nearly half a millennium after Saladin came to power. ;) I'm not sure what relevance the first Western account has anyway; the one to verify is the oldest, not the oldest of one region. Still, the only actual outside citation there is to the recent book in which the claim about Saladin was made, which means all that's firmly established at the Wikipedia article is that the story predates the one from 1663. It seems likely that most of the damage had been done well before Islam even existed though, and my reference was more in the vein of "played a role" than "bears the blame" (as a rule I like to blame Caesars armies, but wtf really knows...?)
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