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So your suggestion is to keep the suicide rate staggeringly high. Excellent solution. Ghavrel Send a noteboard - 13/09/2017 11:03:42 PM

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If you can not see the vast difference between these aspects, then you have no business commenting on any of these issues, and, if you had any respect for people with actual problems, you would kindly excuse yourself from any further discussion.

Seeing how far off you are from actual, realistic points, however, I have no hope this will actually happen.


Doubtlessly this is your response to the consensus of the American Psychological Association, which holds that transition is the preferred treatment for people with gender dysphoria. Your medical background is... what, precisely?

You can rant and rave about "maiming" all you like, but people who transition have markedly lower rates of suicide and report much higher satisfaction in life. That's a better definition of "harm" than "makes TyrReborn unhappy because a man is wearing a wig."

"We feel safe when we read what we recognise, what does not challenge our way of thinking.... a steady acceptance of pre-arranged patterns leads to the inability to question what we are told."
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WHAT. THE. SHIT?! Cannoli - 11/09/2017 11:58:15 PM 1411 Views
As usual, I'm going to breeze past most of the nonsense here. Ghavrel - 12/09/2017 02:27:37 AM 800 Views
Oh, for sure. TyrReborn - 12/09/2017 10:55:59 PM 693 Views
Just like cancer--it's natural, so it can't be bad. Ghavrel - 13/09/2017 12:37:16 AM 639 Views
You say my argument isn't good, so you rebut with... that? TyrReborn - 13/09/2017 02:01:04 AM 666 Views
Are you familiar with the suicide rates of people experiencing dysphoria? Ghavrel - 13/09/2017 02:10:44 AM 599 Views
Sigh TyrReborn - 13/09/2017 04:28:34 AM 724 Views
Actually nossy - 13/09/2017 12:46:03 PM 598 Views
You can't change your sex. Tom - 13/09/2017 02:06:05 PM 972 Views
I'm not talking about DNA. nossy - 13/09/2017 02:55:26 PM 574 Views
I wouldn't care, either, if not for the demand for official recognition. Tom - 13/09/2017 03:41:34 PM 727 Views
What are they asking for that bothers you? *NM* nossy - 13/09/2017 04:07:19 PM 362 Views
He repeatedly said so in his posts. Cannoli - 13/09/2017 04:24:15 PM 715 Views
Yes, thank you for mansplaining. nossy - 13/09/2017 05:23:59 PM 569 Views
Cannoli is right. I was pretty clear about what bothers me. Tom - 13/09/2017 08:49:12 PM 612 Views
I did expect more nossy - 13/09/2017 10:36:36 PM 642 Views
I thought I provided it. Adherence to logic, facts and reality. Tom - 13/09/2017 10:41:39 PM 653 Views
No, you did. nossy - 13/09/2017 11:16:18 PM 625 Views
I agree with this. damookster - 13/09/2017 04:34:19 PM 576 Views
Yeah, they are. LiterateDog - 14/09/2017 03:29:07 AM 618 Views
LOL damookster - 14/09/2017 06:06:28 AM 612 Views
You replace that "M" with an "L", and change the "no" to an "a".... LiterateDog - 14/09/2017 06:17:06 AM 648 Views
... yet. *NM* aerocontrols - 13/09/2017 07:26:56 PM 389 Views
Congratulations. You've begun arguing for transition. Ghavrel - 13/09/2017 03:08:32 PM 589 Views
Don't forget.... Jeordam - 13/09/2017 07:27:41 PM 551 Views
I repeat, you do not fix your problems by maiming yourself. TyrReborn - 13/09/2017 09:56:36 PM 578 Views
So your suggestion is to keep the suicide rate staggeringly high. Excellent solution. Ghavrel - 13/09/2017 11:03:42 PM 639 Views
Nice strawman. TyrReborn - 14/09/2017 02:42:01 AM 559 Views
And in the meantime, while your miracle drugs and therapies are being developed... *NM* Ghavrel - 14/09/2017 03:08:55 AM 403 Views
Don't allow them to maim themselves. It's that simple. I don't get why you don't get it. TyrReborn - 14/09/2017 03:18:20 AM 690 Views
Because you're saying "don't do this thing that makes you less likely to kill yourself." Ghavrel - 14/09/2017 05:46:13 AM 586 Views
TyrReborn - 14/09/2017 05:19:40 PM 578 Views
In fairness to Ghavrel... Legolas - 14/09/2017 11:15:04 PM 622 Views
Oh, thank you! Your hyperbolic sarcasm has opened my eyes! TyrReborn - 15/09/2017 06:28:35 AM 546 Views
I thought your latest replies were slacking off a bit, so I resumed your best arguments from before. Legolas - 15/09/2017 07:22:04 AM 616 Views
You're not even making sense. TyrReborn - 15/09/2017 05:46:04 PM 622 Views
If only stamina were enough to win a debate. Legolas - 15/09/2017 08:00:26 PM 656 Views
Oh! Haha! I don't know how I missed the humor there! TyrReborn - 15/09/2017 08:42:50 PM 541 Views
Yeah, most people feel that way when they're being mocked. *NM* Ghavrel - 15/09/2017 09:00:32 PM 385 Views
K. Get back to me when you want to actually have a discussion, then. *NM* TyrReborn - 16/09/2017 03:43:37 AM 374 Views
You should read up on OCD and hair dryers. Or really on mental illness at all. *NM* Ghavrel - 15/09/2017 09:02:22 PM 360 Views
Oh yeah? Do they cause permanent damage to their bodies? *NM* TyrReborn - 16/09/2017 03:44:38 AM 339 Views
They cause permanent alterations to their bodies through the use of medicine. Ghavrel - 16/09/2017 07:11:57 AM 799 Views
Liposuction isn't an acceptable treatment for anorexia nervosa. AgentApple - 13/09/2017 11:08:07 AM 593 Views
It would be if it had the best prognosis for people with AN, though. Ghavrel - 13/09/2017 03:06:11 PM 610 Views
No it wouldnt. Anorexics very often are underweight to begin with. How does liposuction help? Hieshyn - 14/09/2017 01:53:33 AM 738 Views
...it doesn't. That's why it's not the solution which offers the best prognosis. That was the point. Ghavrel - 14/09/2017 03:11:04 AM 654 Views
I've been thinking about this point.... Jeordam - 18/09/2017 07:00:49 PM 702 Views
You know what might make my anxiety and severe depression easier to manage? Millions of dollars. Hieshyn - 14/09/2017 01:40:09 AM 528 Views
Sure. That's a decent point. I think there needs to be a discussion about children. *NM* Ghavrel - 14/09/2017 03:06:51 AM 348 Views
I don't it is a question of good or bad but if it should be celibrated and treated as normal random thoughts - 13/09/2017 08:56:34 PM 605 Views
This is pretty sad on multiple levels.... Jeordam - 12/09/2017 10:45:17 PM 640 Views
Transgenderism is the Twenty First Century's phrenology *NM* Tom - 13/09/2017 12:25:29 AM 405 Views
So how to protect little Pat from aerocontrols - 13/09/2017 04:32:44 PM 595 Views
You seem either confused on what that means, or leaping to rather unjustified conclusions. Legolas - 13/09/2017 06:29:47 PM 558 Views
I missed that part.... Jeordam - 13/09/2017 07:00:17 PM 549 Views
Yes. If you watch the whole video (15 mins), it's actually pretty nuanced and interesting. *NM* Legolas - 13/09/2017 07:10:07 PM 384 Views
Not confused about the syndrome. Was the kid in the article/news segment named 'Pat'? aerocontrols - 13/09/2017 07:06:08 PM 562 Views
Patrick, yes. Legolas - 13/09/2017 07:08:37 PM 557 Views
Doctor shopping, of course aerocontrols - 13/09/2017 07:24:20 PM 627 Views
I doubt it's that easy. But what makes this different from other conditions in that regard? *NM* Legolas - 13/09/2017 07:34:30 PM 387 Views
Because it's not wrong...? aerocontrols - 15/09/2017 05:53:24 PM 582 Views
I suppose. I meant on the doctors approving treatment side. Legolas - 15/09/2017 08:10:59 PM 638 Views
That is one of the draw back of the US medical system random thoughts - 18/09/2017 05:02:38 PM 571 Views
HAHAHAHA!!!! aerocontrols - 13/09/2017 07:07:08 PM 499 Views
You ain't lyin' about that. LiterateDog - 14/09/2017 04:06:48 AM 630 Views
I find the things they're doing with young people on this issue very troubling. LiterateDog - 14/09/2017 03:58:05 AM 635 Views
I think this is an eminently reasonable viewpoint. Ghavrel - 14/09/2017 05:49:00 AM 677 Views
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