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So your suggestion is to keep the suicide rate staggeringly high. Excellent solution. Ghavrel Send a noteboard - 13/09/2017 11:03:42 PM

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If you can not see the vast difference between these aspects, then you have no business commenting on any of these issues, and, if you had any respect for people with actual problems, you would kindly excuse yourself from any further discussion.

Seeing how far off you are from actual, realistic points, however, I have no hope this will actually happen.


Doubtlessly this is your response to the consensus of the American Psychological Association, which holds that transition is the preferred treatment for people with gender dysphoria. Your medical background is... what, precisely?

You can rant and rave about "maiming" all you like, but people who transition have markedly lower rates of suicide and report much higher satisfaction in life. That's a better definition of "harm" than "makes TyrReborn unhappy because a man is wearing a wig."

"We feel safe when we read what we recognise, what does not challenge our way of thinking.... a steady acceptance of pre-arranged patterns leads to the inability to question what we are told."
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WHAT. THE. SHIT?! Cannoli - 11/09/2017 11:58:15 PM 1174 Views
As usual, I'm going to breeze past most of the nonsense here. Ghavrel - 12/09/2017 02:27:37 AM 581 Views
Oh, for sure. TyrReborn - 12/09/2017 10:55:59 PM 489 Views
Just like cancer--it's natural, so it can't be bad. Ghavrel - 13/09/2017 12:37:16 AM 455 Views
You say my argument isn't good, so you rebut with... that? TyrReborn - 13/09/2017 02:01:04 AM 466 Views
Are you familiar with the suicide rates of people experiencing dysphoria? Ghavrel - 13/09/2017 02:10:44 AM 412 Views
Sigh TyrReborn - 13/09/2017 04:28:34 AM 527 Views
Actually nossy - 13/09/2017 12:46:03 PM 371 Views
You can't change your sex. Tom - 13/09/2017 02:06:05 PM 784 Views
I'm not talking about DNA. nossy - 13/09/2017 02:55:26 PM 387 Views
I wouldn't care, either, if not for the demand for official recognition. Tom - 13/09/2017 03:41:34 PM 539 Views
What are they asking for that bothers you? *NM* nossy - 13/09/2017 04:07:19 PM 260 Views
He repeatedly said so in his posts. Cannoli - 13/09/2017 04:24:15 PM 525 Views
Yes, thank you for mansplaining. nossy - 13/09/2017 05:23:59 PM 375 Views
Cannoli is right. I was pretty clear about what bothers me. Tom - 13/09/2017 08:49:12 PM 427 Views
I did expect more nossy - 13/09/2017 10:36:36 PM 455 Views
I thought I provided it. Adherence to logic, facts and reality. Tom - 13/09/2017 10:41:39 PM 464 Views
No, you did. nossy - 13/09/2017 11:16:18 PM 436 Views
I agree with this. damookster - 13/09/2017 04:34:19 PM 392 Views
Yeah, they are. LiterateDog - 14/09/2017 03:29:07 AM 434 Views
LOL damookster - 14/09/2017 06:06:28 AM 423 Views
You replace that "M" with an "L", and change the "no" to an "a".... LiterateDog - 14/09/2017 06:17:06 AM 449 Views
... yet. *NM* aerocontrols - 13/09/2017 07:26:56 PM 282 Views
Congratulations. You've begun arguing for transition. Ghavrel - 13/09/2017 03:08:32 PM 396 Views
Don't forget.... Jeordam - 13/09/2017 07:27:41 PM 369 Views
I repeat, you do not fix your problems by maiming yourself. TyrReborn - 13/09/2017 09:56:36 PM 391 Views
So your suggestion is to keep the suicide rate staggeringly high. Excellent solution. Ghavrel - 13/09/2017 11:03:42 PM 451 Views
Nice strawman. TyrReborn - 14/09/2017 02:42:01 AM 370 Views
And in the meantime, while your miracle drugs and therapies are being developed... *NM* Ghavrel - 14/09/2017 03:08:55 AM 305 Views
Don't allow them to maim themselves. It's that simple. I don't get why you don't get it. TyrReborn - 14/09/2017 03:18:20 AM 472 Views
Because you're saying "don't do this thing that makes you less likely to kill yourself." Ghavrel - 14/09/2017 05:46:13 AM 375 Views
TyrReborn - 14/09/2017 05:19:40 PM 401 Views
In fairness to Ghavrel... Legolas - 14/09/2017 11:15:04 PM 416 Views
Oh, thank you! Your hyperbolic sarcasm has opened my eyes! TyrReborn - 15/09/2017 06:28:35 AM 367 Views
I thought your latest replies were slacking off a bit, so I resumed your best arguments from before. Legolas - 15/09/2017 07:22:04 AM 443 Views
You're not even making sense. TyrReborn - 15/09/2017 05:46:04 PM 424 Views
If only stamina were enough to win a debate. Legolas - 15/09/2017 08:00:26 PM 470 Views
Oh! Haha! I don't know how I missed the humor there! TyrReborn - 15/09/2017 08:42:50 PM 338 Views
Yeah, most people feel that way when they're being mocked. *NM* Ghavrel - 15/09/2017 09:00:32 PM 283 Views
K. Get back to me when you want to actually have a discussion, then. *NM* TyrReborn - 16/09/2017 03:43:37 AM 277 Views
You should read up on OCD and hair dryers. Or really on mental illness at all. *NM* Ghavrel - 15/09/2017 09:02:22 PM 267 Views
Oh yeah? Do they cause permanent damage to their bodies? *NM* TyrReborn - 16/09/2017 03:44:38 AM 234 Views
They cause permanent alterations to their bodies through the use of medicine. Ghavrel - 16/09/2017 07:11:57 AM 628 Views
Liposuction isn't an acceptable treatment for anorexia nervosa. AgentApple - 13/09/2017 11:08:07 AM 371 Views
It would be if it had the best prognosis for people with AN, though. Ghavrel - 13/09/2017 03:06:11 PM 417 Views
No it wouldnt. Anorexics very often are underweight to begin with. How does liposuction help? Hieshyn - 14/09/2017 01:53:33 AM 538 Views
...it doesn't. That's why it's not the solution which offers the best prognosis. That was the point. Ghavrel - 14/09/2017 03:11:04 AM 457 Views
I've been thinking about this point.... Jeordam - 18/09/2017 07:00:49 PM 422 Views
You know what might make my anxiety and severe depression easier to manage? Millions of dollars. Hieshyn - 14/09/2017 01:40:09 AM 343 Views
Sure. That's a decent point. I think there needs to be a discussion about children. *NM* Ghavrel - 14/09/2017 03:06:51 AM 258 Views
I don't it is a question of good or bad but if it should be celibrated and treated as normal random thoughts - 13/09/2017 08:56:34 PM 413 Views
This is pretty sad on multiple levels.... Jeordam - 12/09/2017 10:45:17 PM 451 Views
Transgenderism is the Twenty First Century's phrenology *NM* Tom - 13/09/2017 12:25:29 AM 300 Views
So how to protect little Pat from aerocontrols - 13/09/2017 04:32:44 PM 406 Views
You seem either confused on what that means, or leaping to rather unjustified conclusions. Legolas - 13/09/2017 06:29:47 PM 375 Views
I missed that part.... Jeordam - 13/09/2017 07:00:17 PM 346 Views
Yes. If you watch the whole video (15 mins), it's actually pretty nuanced and interesting. *NM* Legolas - 13/09/2017 07:10:07 PM 285 Views
Not confused about the syndrome. Was the kid in the article/news segment named 'Pat'? aerocontrols - 13/09/2017 07:06:08 PM 382 Views
Patrick, yes. Legolas - 13/09/2017 07:08:37 PM 375 Views
Doctor shopping, of course aerocontrols - 13/09/2017 07:24:20 PM 427 Views
I doubt it's that easy. But what makes this different from other conditions in that regard? *NM* Legolas - 13/09/2017 07:34:30 PM 282 Views
Because it's not wrong...? aerocontrols - 15/09/2017 05:53:24 PM 393 Views
I suppose. I meant on the doctors approving treatment side. Legolas - 15/09/2017 08:10:59 PM 434 Views
That is one of the draw back of the US medical system random thoughts - 18/09/2017 05:02:38 PM 371 Views
HAHAHAHA!!!! aerocontrols - 13/09/2017 07:07:08 PM 314 Views
You ain't lyin' about that. LiterateDog - 14/09/2017 04:06:48 AM 429 Views
I find the things they're doing with young people on this issue very troubling. LiterateDog - 14/09/2017 03:58:05 AM 429 Views
I think this is an eminently reasonable viewpoint. Ghavrel - 14/09/2017 05:49:00 AM 459 Views
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