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...it doesn't. That's why it's not the solution which offers the best prognosis. That was the point. Ghavrel Send a noteboard - 14/09/2017 03:11:04 AM

If liposuction caused people with anorexia to report a better quality of life than any other option, as opposed to killing them, it would be the remedy of choice. Liposuction doesn't, however, make anorexia go away. Transitioning can make dysphoria go away. Transitioning causes people who suffer to report a better quality of life, and despite the hysterics from people screaming about "maiming," the people who are modifying their bodies generally seem to think their situation is an improvement.


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Altering your body because something is wrong with your brain isnt the way. I have no problem with adults doing with their bodies what they will, I have no issues with adults transitioning and becoming who they feel they are. But not children. Im a very different person than 12 year old me was, than 12 year old me thought I would be. It would be horrible if I physically changed something to fit who I thought I was or wanted to be at the time, only to grow into something that is entirely different, thereby harming myself forever because of a temporary state of mind in the most difficult period of change in my life.

I agree that the situation with children is very complex. I am not saying that 12 year olds should be transitioning.

But with regard to "altering your body because something is wrong with your brain," that's literally what medication does.

"We feel safe when we read what we recognise, what does not challenge our way of thinking.... a steady acceptance of pre-arranged patterns leads to the inability to question what we are told."
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WHAT. THE. SHIT?! Cannoli - 11/09/2017 11:58:15 PM 1358 Views
As usual, I'm going to breeze past most of the nonsense here. Ghavrel - 12/09/2017 02:27:37 AM 745 Views
Oh, for sure. TyrReborn - 12/09/2017 10:55:59 PM 660 Views
Just like cancer--it's natural, so it can't be bad. Ghavrel - 13/09/2017 12:37:16 AM 608 Views
You say my argument isn't good, so you rebut with... that? TyrReborn - 13/09/2017 02:01:04 AM 635 Views
Are you familiar with the suicide rates of people experiencing dysphoria? Ghavrel - 13/09/2017 02:10:44 AM 566 Views
Sigh TyrReborn - 13/09/2017 04:28:34 AM 693 Views
Actually nossy - 13/09/2017 12:46:03 PM 540 Views
You can't change your sex. Tom - 13/09/2017 02:06:05 PM 938 Views
I'm not talking about DNA. nossy - 13/09/2017 02:55:26 PM 543 Views
I wouldn't care, either, if not for the demand for official recognition. Tom - 13/09/2017 03:41:34 PM 689 Views
What are they asking for that bothers you? *NM* nossy - 13/09/2017 04:07:19 PM 339 Views
He repeatedly said so in his posts. Cannoli - 13/09/2017 04:24:15 PM 686 Views
Yes, thank you for mansplaining. nossy - 13/09/2017 05:23:59 PM 534 Views
Cannoli is right. I was pretty clear about what bothers me. Tom - 13/09/2017 08:49:12 PM 579 Views
I did expect more nossy - 13/09/2017 10:36:36 PM 612 Views
I thought I provided it. Adherence to logic, facts and reality. Tom - 13/09/2017 10:41:39 PM 616 Views
No, you did. nossy - 13/09/2017 11:16:18 PM 596 Views
I agree with this. damookster - 13/09/2017 04:34:19 PM 548 Views
Yeah, they are. LiterateDog - 14/09/2017 03:29:07 AM 574 Views
LOL damookster - 14/09/2017 06:06:28 AM 584 Views
You replace that "M" with an "L", and change the "no" to an "a".... LiterateDog - 14/09/2017 06:17:06 AM 615 Views
... yet. *NM* aerocontrols - 13/09/2017 07:26:56 PM 360 Views
Congratulations. You've begun arguing for transition. Ghavrel - 13/09/2017 03:08:32 PM 561 Views
Don't forget.... Jeordam - 13/09/2017 07:27:41 PM 514 Views
I repeat, you do not fix your problems by maiming yourself. TyrReborn - 13/09/2017 09:56:36 PM 544 Views
So your suggestion is to keep the suicide rate staggeringly high. Excellent solution. Ghavrel - 13/09/2017 11:03:42 PM 606 Views
Nice strawman. TyrReborn - 14/09/2017 02:42:01 AM 524 Views
And in the meantime, while your miracle drugs and therapies are being developed... *NM* Ghavrel - 14/09/2017 03:08:55 AM 382 Views
Don't allow them to maim themselves. It's that simple. I don't get why you don't get it. TyrReborn - 14/09/2017 03:18:20 AM 643 Views
Because you're saying "don't do this thing that makes you less likely to kill yourself." Ghavrel - 14/09/2017 05:46:13 AM 529 Views
TyrReborn - 14/09/2017 05:19:40 PM 551 Views
In fairness to Ghavrel... Legolas - 14/09/2017 11:15:04 PM 582 Views
Oh, thank you! Your hyperbolic sarcasm has opened my eyes! TyrReborn - 15/09/2017 06:28:35 AM 513 Views
I thought your latest replies were slacking off a bit, so I resumed your best arguments from before. Legolas - 15/09/2017 07:22:04 AM 586 Views
You're not even making sense. TyrReborn - 15/09/2017 05:46:04 PM 580 Views
If only stamina were enough to win a debate. Legolas - 15/09/2017 08:00:26 PM 621 Views
Oh! Haha! I don't know how I missed the humor there! TyrReborn - 15/09/2017 08:42:50 PM 509 Views
Yeah, most people feel that way when they're being mocked. *NM* Ghavrel - 15/09/2017 09:00:32 PM 362 Views
K. Get back to me when you want to actually have a discussion, then. *NM* TyrReborn - 16/09/2017 03:43:37 AM 357 Views
You should read up on OCD and hair dryers. Or really on mental illness at all. *NM* Ghavrel - 15/09/2017 09:02:22 PM 338 Views
Oh yeah? Do they cause permanent damage to their bodies? *NM* TyrReborn - 16/09/2017 03:44:38 AM 316 Views
They cause permanent alterations to their bodies through the use of medicine. Ghavrel - 16/09/2017 07:11:57 AM 770 Views
Liposuction isn't an acceptable treatment for anorexia nervosa. AgentApple - 13/09/2017 11:08:07 AM 555 Views
It would be if it had the best prognosis for people with AN, though. Ghavrel - 13/09/2017 03:06:11 PM 579 Views
No it wouldnt. Anorexics very often are underweight to begin with. How does liposuction help? Hieshyn - 14/09/2017 01:53:33 AM 704 Views
...it doesn't. That's why it's not the solution which offers the best prognosis. That was the point. Ghavrel - 14/09/2017 03:11:04 AM 608 Views
I've been thinking about this point.... Jeordam - 18/09/2017 07:00:49 PM 670 Views
You know what might make my anxiety and severe depression easier to manage? Millions of dollars. Hieshyn - 14/09/2017 01:40:09 AM 495 Views
Sure. That's a decent point. I think there needs to be a discussion about children. *NM* Ghavrel - 14/09/2017 03:06:51 AM 327 Views
I don't it is a question of good or bad but if it should be celibrated and treated as normal random thoughts - 13/09/2017 08:56:34 PM 572 Views
This is pretty sad on multiple levels.... Jeordam - 12/09/2017 10:45:17 PM 611 Views
Transgenderism is the Twenty First Century's phrenology *NM* Tom - 13/09/2017 12:25:29 AM 379 Views
So how to protect little Pat from aerocontrols - 13/09/2017 04:32:44 PM 562 Views
You seem either confused on what that means, or leaping to rather unjustified conclusions. Legolas - 13/09/2017 06:29:47 PM 525 Views
I missed that part.... Jeordam - 13/09/2017 07:00:17 PM 521 Views
Yes. If you watch the whole video (15 mins), it's actually pretty nuanced and interesting. *NM* Legolas - 13/09/2017 07:10:07 PM 360 Views
Not confused about the syndrome. Was the kid in the article/news segment named 'Pat'? aerocontrols - 13/09/2017 07:06:08 PM 524 Views
Patrick, yes. Legolas - 13/09/2017 07:08:37 PM 517 Views
Doctor shopping, of course aerocontrols - 13/09/2017 07:24:20 PM 586 Views
I doubt it's that easy. But what makes this different from other conditions in that regard? *NM* Legolas - 13/09/2017 07:34:30 PM 355 Views
Because it's not wrong...? aerocontrols - 15/09/2017 05:53:24 PM 548 Views
I suppose. I meant on the doctors approving treatment side. Legolas - 15/09/2017 08:10:59 PM 601 Views
That is one of the draw back of the US medical system random thoughts - 18/09/2017 05:02:38 PM 539 Views
HAHAHAHA!!!! aerocontrols - 13/09/2017 07:07:08 PM 465 Views
You ain't lyin' about that. LiterateDog - 14/09/2017 04:06:48 AM 601 Views
I find the things they're doing with young people on this issue very troubling. LiterateDog - 14/09/2017 03:58:05 AM 598 Views
I think this is an eminently reasonable viewpoint. Ghavrel - 14/09/2017 05:49:00 AM 646 Views
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