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Authority for Authority sake is just as Mores-less as No Respect for Authority Roland00 Send a noteboard - 17/10/2017 06:07:15 AM

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I don't agree with the basic premise that the driver is fear. In my experience the entitled children of helicopter parents are not timid and fearful. Quite the opposite. Being raised to believe that your wants and desires are equal to or more important than those of anyone else doesn't make you fearful when you get the rude awakening that the rest of the world isn't going to treat you like your parents. Rather, it makes them angry and frustrated.

Personally I don't see any chance of easily resolving this. Children are no longer raised to respect traditional authority figures. They are taught that their viewpoint is equally important and valid. A generational change is needed and I don't see it happening.


Authority for Authority sake is just as Mores-less as No Respect for Authority...both end up in the idea of Anomie "a condition in which society provides little moral guidance to individuals". Anomie is the breakdown of social bonds between an individual and the community, e.g., under unruly scenarios resulting in fragmentation of social identity and rejection of self-regulatory values

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anomie

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Authority for Authority sake is just as Mores-less as No Respect for Authority, and I would argue both of them are happening now simultaneously. In little pockets of society we have such extreme versions of little groups where I want my culture the way X and we demonize and negative partisanship another little group who wants their culture Y and these groups are in their little "filter bubbles" where they are homogeneous and there is no allowing of multiple opinions, instead we are going for something that is orthodox instead of heterodox.

So what do these little groups of society with such extreme opinions have to do with parents and kids and authority? Well when you teach a type of society to your kids and then throw them into another society that is such a different reality then you are going to create a system where the kids fundamentally reject the parents view of how society should be, or they try to mix and some thrive and some fail, and the people who fail will then be attracted to viewpoints and systems where they are the winners and someone else is the enemy, the other, and should be made the loser.

What I am saying is society is changing in a way that people do not know how to keep up, and even if most of people are adapting and feeling their place in today's society some people are not adapting fast enough where they feel comfortable, and due to how humans are social creatures even the people who are "catching up and thriving in this rapidly changing world" will have their viewpoints shifted and influenced by people who are not staying up. You can call this the gift and also the curse of empathy but it is far more than empathy for it is also the same system and other systems related to our ability to create identity, imagine the past and future, create culture, and so on.

Right now society is not keeping up to the needs of the many, and even when the many are doing well we see enough of the few not keeping up we question the system.

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I know these images will mean nothing to you Mookie and other RAFO readers but they are very important in neuroscience even though they are new images and our current understanding is changing every single year.

The point of the pictures I am sharing Is not the brain stuff but the 3 boxes of interconnected systems and the words contained in the boxes.

http://psych.colorado.edu/~hannaje/Research_files/Andrews-Hanna_Neuroscientist_Figure7.jpg

http://dericbownds.net/uploaded_images/anrevdefault.png

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Why Are [SOME] Millennials Wary of Freedom? - 16/10/2017 07:16:47 PM 2539 Views
Good article. - 16/10/2017 08:05:48 PM 1037 Views
Indeed it is a pathology of fear. - 17/10/2017 01:59:24 AM 930 Views
This makes me especially sad. - 17/10/2017 12:47:51 PM 884 Views
never thought of it that way but excellent points *NM* - 17/10/2017 03:31:51 AM 617 Views
Definitely a possibility. - 17/10/2017 12:46:42 PM 899 Views
I totally agree on there being fewer causes for fear. - 17/10/2017 06:39:38 PM 953 Views
Do we still have WSE points? I was quite the mogul in the waning days of WoTmania. *NM* - 16/10/2017 11:36:00 PM 592 Views
/me steals your WSE points. *NM* - 17/10/2017 12:48:08 PM 563 Views
Interesting - 16/10/2017 11:46:32 PM 918 Views
Old dude, you make a good point, too. - 17/10/2017 02:01:29 AM 896 Views
Authority for Authority sake is just as Mores-less as No Respect for Authority - 17/10/2017 06:07:15 AM 967 Views
All generations experienced different cultures with different views *NM* - 17/10/2017 11:41:40 AM 521 Views
Agreed but there is a difference in severity between 1997 to 2017 vs 997 to 1017 *NM* - 18/10/2017 05:52:14 AM 527 Views
but less than 1900 vs 1920 - 18/10/2017 02:27:59 PM 857 Views
I still have hope - 17/10/2017 12:50:35 PM 963 Views
I shall endeavor to combine Tom'n'Mookie's theories into one grand theory of... - 17/10/2017 02:15:48 AM 950 Views
This article agrees with your assessment - 17/10/2017 02:30:03 PM 1027 Views
I appreciate your amendment. - 17/10/2017 03:14:19 AM 1190 Views
no it is just hard to see the problem from the inside - 17/10/2017 11:51:08 AM 916 Views
Re: no it is just hard to see the problem from the inside - uh, yes. - 17/10/2017 01:44:26 PM 984 Views
Most of us are very good at that - 17/10/2017 08:24:50 PM 928 Views
Thanks. - 17/10/2017 01:00:42 PM 832 Views
I disagree with relation to trigger warnings. - 17/10/2017 11:17:45 PM 897 Views
A fair point. - Still, how far will you extend them? - 18/10/2017 12:47:50 AM 859 Views
I don't know, but I'm not entirely sure it's a big deal either way. - 18/10/2017 02:56:09 AM 830 Views
Nods - 18/10/2017 03:17:17 AM 845 Views
And I would posit that no work of literature should have any trigger warnings. - 18/10/2017 01:02:44 PM 1018 Views
Re: And I would posit that no work of literature should have any trigger warnings. - 18/10/2017 08:48:01 PM 907 Views
How would you propose such warnings be worded? - 18/10/2017 09:21:02 PM 901 Views
Do you know a lot of people who suffer from PTSD? - 19/10/2017 05:26:06 AM 1082 Views
Stop. Now. - 19/10/2017 06:21:13 AM 824 Views
Avoidance isn't the purpose of those warnings, though. - 19/10/2017 06:32:16 AM 868 Views
You would ruin the literature though. And discussions around the literature. - 19/10/2017 01:21:20 PM 903 Views
That's reasonable. - 19/10/2017 11:58:56 PM 865 Views
Well argument settled becuase they already exist - 23/10/2017 01:46:55 PM 800 Views
Fuck you Tom - 19/10/2017 07:06:47 AM 987 Views
Oh come on... - 19/10/2017 05:12:46 PM 887 Views
Oh please - 19/10/2017 02:10:11 PM 959 Views
Re: Oh please - 20/10/2017 12:01:02 AM 886 Views
I'm just gonna put this out there... - 20/10/2017 07:24:55 PM 874 Views
Eh, I don't think that's accurate. - 21/10/2017 07:04:58 AM 806 Views
An unnecessary tool.... - 23/10/2017 05:14:06 PM 827 Views
Why does this reasoning apply to PTSD but not to other diseases? PTSD is a physical issue. - 24/10/2017 12:33:31 AM 820 Views
I would challenge that statment.... - 24/10/2017 05:14:17 PM 1006 Views
Do you actually believe those examples are valid? *NM* - 23/10/2017 07:32:59 PM 482 Views
Agreed. - 19/10/2017 06:16:33 AM 972 Views
Interesting article. - 17/10/2017 07:41:34 PM 881 Views
Why are some HUMANS wary of freedom? - 17/10/2017 05:31:04 AM 862 Views
Maybe the victimhood thing is another kind of honor - 17/10/2017 01:02:43 PM 926 Views
Because it's easier to absolve oneself of power sometimes. For those people anyway. - 17/10/2017 01:10:41 PM 875 Views
I apologize before hand - 18/10/2017 01:11:59 AM 855 Views
I haven't read all the comments, so I apologize if I'm doubling up - 17/10/2017 01:06:00 PM 1077 Views
Oh those echo chambers. - 17/10/2017 01:16:40 PM 971 Views
I hate blaming things - 17/10/2017 02:04:44 PM 1035 Views
I'm not even sure "echo chamber" is the right phrase - 17/10/2017 02:17:07 PM 985 Views
I'm not sure that is the most common choice. - 17/10/2017 05:21:52 PM 1076 Views
I get irritated too. But I still keep them in my news feed as well. - 17/10/2017 08:49:45 PM 850 Views
Je ne regrette rien. My memes are both spicy and piquant. *NM* - 17/10/2017 11:20:55 PM 475 Views
I'm of Russian extraction. I like my food bland. Garlic, dill, salt, pepper. It's enough for me. - 18/10/2017 12:52:27 AM 830 Views
You know, I'd not thought about that. - 18/10/2017 03:07:05 AM 895 Views
I find him intriguing as a Captain. - 18/10/2017 01:09:07 PM 887 Views
So now we are at episode 6 - 24/10/2017 12:31:06 PM 771 Views
6 was by far the best episode of the series. *NM* - 24/10/2017 08:07:55 PM 498 Views
Yes - 25/10/2017 12:50:15 PM 833 Views
But are your Memes brothy and fully of Umami? - 18/10/2017 01:17:07 AM 798 Views
Umami is an irritating word *NM* - 18/10/2017 04:59:21 PM 448 Views
Yes, ohdaddy is a much better word. *NM* - 18/10/2017 05:15:48 PM 560 Views
*NM* - 18/10/2017 05:39:12 PM 486 Views
*NM* - 18/10/2017 06:27:31 PM 483 Views
I do think some of this is specifically American and to a lesser extent the rest of the Anglosphere. - 17/10/2017 06:26:33 PM 902 Views
Agreed with all your points. - 17/10/2017 08:53:23 PM 908 Views
The Netherlands, I'm not so sure about. - 17/10/2017 11:43:54 PM 866 Views
My apologies. I see Dutch and don't think of Belgium. - 18/10/2017 12:56:26 AM 887 Views
That's alright. This is a confusing country in many ways. - 18/10/2017 08:58:15 PM 877 Views
America and to a lesser extent the rest of the Anglosphere puts a higher valuer on liberty *NM* - 19/10/2017 01:53:50 PM 520 Views
Yes, in some ways it does. *NM* - 19/10/2017 05:38:41 PM 520 Views
Simple, true fredom is includes the freedom to fail - 20/10/2017 05:43:13 PM 925 Views
Re: Simple, true fredom is/includes the freedom to fail *NM* - 20/10/2017 05:45:51 PM 552 Views
Yes it is the freedom to fail - 20/10/2017 06:36:02 PM 925 Views
This entire thread was so awesome.... - 20/10/2017 07:12:46 PM 929 Views
Jeo I think you in particular will appreciate this - 20/10/2017 09:07:39 PM 873 Views
Interesting.....wisdom from on high.... - 20/10/2017 09:58:36 PM 789 Views
damn it *NM* - 20/10/2017 09:07:39 PM 452 Views
I think a lot of us are thinking about trigger warnings differently. - 21/10/2017 07:07:01 AM 884 Views
Maybe, maybe not... - 23/10/2017 05:18:16 PM 791 Views
Glad you enjoyed it and that it provoked thought. - 23/10/2017 02:32:57 PM 845 Views
I see this as... - 23/10/2017 05:23:54 PM 834 Views
I kind of break them down into two types - 22/10/2017 03:25:04 AM 941 Views
I wonder how much the fall of communism has to do with this? - 24/10/2017 10:20:16 PM 866 Views
Definitely more than a bit. - 25/10/2017 12:51:55 PM 799 Views

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