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Oh those echo chambers. The Shrike Send a noteboard - 17/10/2017 01:16:40 PM

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But I'm not convinced it's fear. It feels more like overconfidence that they know what's Right. And if one is so sure something is correct, why would the other side need a say? Particularly if it's offensive or potentially hurtful to friends? They are likely to believe it's being said TO offend, rather than add value to the conversation.

I remember feeling very certain of many things when I was younger (marriage is for men and women, for one), but I didn't have social media or the ability to wrap myself in an echo chamber or bubble. I had a very outspoken family, and wotmania, aka: every opinion any kind of person has ever had in one place. I almost can't remember the original me.


I can empathize with how you perceive yourself to have changed. I too have changed. I used to be a militant atheist (Soviet parents, NYC raised) and now am much more accepting of religions, especially the good influence of Christianity. Yes, no religion is perfect but there are so many good people who practice religions that I can't be them anymore. People at Wotmania helped me become a better person; a more open minded person.

I do wonder if those echo chambers are part of the problem. We only see a part of the world rather than the entire world. We can choose our news. We can then choose our friends. We can do so much choosing that when we see a part of the world we think its the entire world. And so when we see glimpses of the worlds outside our bubble we are shocked react negatively. Perhaps it is fear of the unknown. Perhaps its a lack of tolerance. Perhaps its all those issues together to combine together to create the problem.

But as long as there we accept that there may be a problem and talk about it then we can at least think about ways forward that fix the issues.

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Why Are [SOME] Millennials Wary of Freedom? - 16/10/2017 07:16:47 PM 2705 Views
Good article. - 16/10/2017 08:05:48 PM 1160 Views
Indeed it is a pathology of fear. - 17/10/2017 01:59:24 AM 1060 Views
This makes me especially sad. - 17/10/2017 12:47:51 PM 1049 Views
never thought of it that way but excellent points *NM* - 17/10/2017 03:31:51 AM 683 Views
Definitely a possibility. - 17/10/2017 12:46:42 PM 1057 Views
I totally agree on there being fewer causes for fear. - 17/10/2017 06:39:38 PM 1072 Views
Wait...you said *Rubio* was trying to push a positive, hopeful message? RUBIO? - 17/10/2017 08:22:40 PM 1019 Views
Maybe I shouldn't have omitted the disclaimer about his foreign policy. - 17/10/2017 08:33:37 PM 1061 Views
Ok, fair enough - 17/10/2017 09:15:14 PM 969 Views
Do we still have WSE points? I was quite the mogul in the waning days of WoTmania. *NM* - 16/10/2017 11:36:00 PM 660 Views
/me steals your WSE points. *NM* - 17/10/2017 12:48:08 PM 632 Views
Interesting - 16/10/2017 11:46:32 PM 1033 Views
Old dude, you make a good point, too. - 17/10/2017 02:01:29 AM 1038 Views
Authority for Authority sake is just as Mores-less as No Respect for Authority - 17/10/2017 06:07:15 AM 1124 Views
All generations experienced different cultures with different views *NM* - 17/10/2017 11:41:40 AM 592 Views
Agreed but there is a difference in severity between 1997 to 2017 vs 997 to 1017 *NM* - 18/10/2017 05:52:14 AM 609 Views
but less than 1900 vs 1920 - 18/10/2017 02:27:59 PM 975 Views
I still have hope - 17/10/2017 12:50:35 PM 1109 Views
I shall endeavor to combine Tom'n'Mookie's theories into one grand theory of... - 17/10/2017 02:15:48 AM 1116 Views
This article agrees with your assessment - 17/10/2017 02:30:03 PM 1175 Views
I appreciate your amendment. - 17/10/2017 03:14:19 AM 1351 Views
no it is just hard to see the problem from the inside - 17/10/2017 11:51:08 AM 1048 Views
Re: no it is just hard to see the problem from the inside - uh, yes. - 17/10/2017 01:44:26 PM 1116 Views
Most of us are very good at that - 17/10/2017 08:24:50 PM 1059 Views
Thanks. - 17/10/2017 01:00:42 PM 961 Views
I disagree with relation to trigger warnings. - 17/10/2017 11:17:45 PM 1054 Views
A fair point. - Still, how far will you extend them? - 18/10/2017 12:47:50 AM 1004 Views
I don't know, but I'm not entirely sure it's a big deal either way. - 18/10/2017 02:56:09 AM 945 Views
Nods - 18/10/2017 03:17:17 AM 970 Views
And I would posit that no work of literature should have any trigger warnings. - 18/10/2017 01:02:44 PM 1171 Views
Re: And I would posit that no work of literature should have any trigger warnings. - 18/10/2017 08:48:01 PM 1076 Views
How would you propose such warnings be worded? - 18/10/2017 09:21:02 PM 1036 Views
Do you know a lot of people who suffer from PTSD? - 19/10/2017 05:26:06 AM 1241 Views
Stop. Now. - 19/10/2017 06:21:13 AM 957 Views
Avoidance isn't the purpose of those warnings, though. - 19/10/2017 06:32:16 AM 984 Views
You would ruin the literature though. And discussions around the literature. - 19/10/2017 01:21:20 PM 1047 Views
That's reasonable. - 19/10/2017 11:58:56 PM 1034 Views
Well argument settled becuase they already exist - 23/10/2017 01:46:55 PM 932 Views
Fuck you Tom - 19/10/2017 07:06:47 AM 1144 Views
Oh come on... - 19/10/2017 05:12:46 PM 1107 Views
Oh please - 19/10/2017 02:10:11 PM 1079 Views
Re: Oh please - 20/10/2017 12:01:02 AM 1026 Views
I'm just gonna put this out there... - 20/10/2017 07:24:55 PM 1044 Views
Eh, I don't think that's accurate. - 21/10/2017 07:04:58 AM 932 Views
An unnecessary tool.... - 23/10/2017 05:14:06 PM 984 Views
Why does this reasoning apply to PTSD but not to other diseases? PTSD is a physical issue. - 24/10/2017 12:33:31 AM 951 Views
I would challenge that statment.... - 24/10/2017 05:14:17 PM 1158 Views
Do you actually believe those examples are valid? *NM* - 23/10/2017 07:32:59 PM 557 Views
Agreed. - 19/10/2017 06:16:33 AM 1095 Views
Interesting article. - 17/10/2017 07:41:34 PM 1009 Views
Why are some HUMANS wary of freedom? - 17/10/2017 05:31:04 AM 992 Views
Maybe the victimhood thing is another kind of honor - 17/10/2017 01:02:43 PM 1064 Views
Because it's easier to absolve oneself of power sometimes. For those people anyway. - 17/10/2017 01:10:41 PM 999 Views
I apologize before hand - 18/10/2017 01:11:59 AM 1009 Views
I haven't read all the comments, so I apologize if I'm doubling up - 17/10/2017 01:06:00 PM 1224 Views
Oh those echo chambers. - 17/10/2017 01:16:40 PM 1136 Views
I hate blaming things - 17/10/2017 02:04:44 PM 1189 Views
I'm not even sure "echo chamber" is the right phrase - 17/10/2017 02:17:07 PM 1126 Views
I'm not sure that is the most common choice. - 17/10/2017 05:21:52 PM 1212 Views
I get irritated too. But I still keep them in my news feed as well. - 17/10/2017 08:49:45 PM 1002 Views
Je ne regrette rien. My memes are both spicy and piquant. *NM* - 17/10/2017 11:20:55 PM 550 Views
I'm of Russian extraction. I like my food bland. Garlic, dill, salt, pepper. It's enough for me. - 18/10/2017 12:52:27 AM 968 Views
You know, I'd not thought about that. - 18/10/2017 03:07:05 AM 1046 Views
I find him intriguing as a Captain. - 18/10/2017 01:09:07 PM 1121 Views
So now we are at episode 6 - 24/10/2017 12:31:06 PM 911 Views
6 was by far the best episode of the series. *NM* - 24/10/2017 08:07:55 PM 561 Views
Yes - 25/10/2017 12:50:15 PM 949 Views
But are your Memes brothy and fully of Umami? - 18/10/2017 01:17:07 AM 925 Views
Umami is an irritating word *NM* - 18/10/2017 04:59:21 PM 508 Views
Yes, ohdaddy is a much better word. *NM* - 18/10/2017 05:15:48 PM 618 Views
*NM* - 18/10/2017 05:39:12 PM 554 Views
*NM* - 18/10/2017 06:27:31 PM 540 Views
I do think some of this is specifically American and to a lesser extent the rest of the Anglosphere. - 17/10/2017 06:26:33 PM 1027 Views
Agreed with all your points. - 17/10/2017 08:53:23 PM 1048 Views
The Netherlands, I'm not so sure about. - 17/10/2017 11:43:54 PM 1011 Views
My apologies. I see Dutch and don't think of Belgium. - 18/10/2017 12:56:26 AM 1048 Views
That's alright. This is a confusing country in many ways. - 18/10/2017 08:58:15 PM 1020 Views
America and to a lesser extent the rest of the Anglosphere puts a higher valuer on liberty *NM* - 19/10/2017 01:53:50 PM 600 Views
Yes, in some ways it does. *NM* - 19/10/2017 05:38:41 PM 586 Views
Simple, true fredom is includes the freedom to fail - 20/10/2017 05:43:13 PM 1054 Views
Re: Simple, true fredom is/includes the freedom to fail *NM* - 20/10/2017 05:45:51 PM 620 Views
Yes it is the freedom to fail - 20/10/2017 06:36:02 PM 1078 Views
This entire thread was so awesome.... - 20/10/2017 07:12:46 PM 1064 Views
Jeo I think you in particular will appreciate this - 20/10/2017 09:07:39 PM 1008 Views
Interesting.....wisdom from on high.... - 20/10/2017 09:58:36 PM 907 Views
damn it *NM* - 20/10/2017 09:07:39 PM 512 Views
I think a lot of us are thinking about trigger warnings differently. - 21/10/2017 07:07:01 AM 1009 Views
Maybe, maybe not... - 23/10/2017 05:18:16 PM 949 Views
Glad you enjoyed it and that it provoked thought. - 23/10/2017 02:32:57 PM 992 Views
I see this as... - 23/10/2017 05:23:54 PM 952 Views
I kind of break them down into two types - 22/10/2017 03:25:04 AM 1093 Views
I wonder how much the fall of communism has to do with this? - 24/10/2017 10:20:16 PM 991 Views
Definitely more than a bit. - 25/10/2017 12:51:55 PM 932 Views

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