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Oh those echo chambers. The Shrike Send a noteboard - 17/10/2017 01:16:40 PM

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But I'm not convinced it's fear. It feels more like overconfidence that they know what's Right. And if one is so sure something is correct, why would the other side need a say? Particularly if it's offensive or potentially hurtful to friends? They are likely to believe it's being said TO offend, rather than add value to the conversation.

I remember feeling very certain of many things when I was younger (marriage is for men and women, for one), but I didn't have social media or the ability to wrap myself in an echo chamber or bubble. I had a very outspoken family, and wotmania, aka: every opinion any kind of person has ever had in one place. I almost can't remember the original me.


I can empathize with how you perceive yourself to have changed. I too have changed. I used to be a militant atheist (Soviet parents, NYC raised) and now am much more accepting of religions, especially the good influence of Christianity. Yes, no religion is perfect but there are so many good people who practice religions that I can't be them anymore. People at Wotmania helped me become a better person; a more open minded person.

I do wonder if those echo chambers are part of the problem. We only see a part of the world rather than the entire world. We can choose our news. We can then choose our friends. We can do so much choosing that when we see a part of the world we think its the entire world. And so when we see glimpses of the worlds outside our bubble we are shocked react negatively. Perhaps it is fear of the unknown. Perhaps its a lack of tolerance. Perhaps its all those issues together to combine together to create the problem.

But as long as there we accept that there may be a problem and talk about it then we can at least think about ways forward that fix the issues.

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Why Are [SOME] Millennials Wary of Freedom? - 16/10/2017 07:16:47 PM 2391 Views
Good article. - 16/10/2017 08:05:48 PM 917 Views
Indeed it is a pathology of fear. - 17/10/2017 01:59:24 AM 841 Views
This makes me especially sad. - 17/10/2017 12:47:51 PM 773 Views
never thought of it that way but excellent points *NM* - 17/10/2017 03:31:51 AM 570 Views
Definitely a possibility. - 17/10/2017 12:46:42 PM 786 Views
Do we still have WSE points? I was quite the mogul in the waning days of WoTmania. *NM* - 16/10/2017 11:36:00 PM 517 Views
/me steals your WSE points. *NM* - 17/10/2017 12:48:08 PM 505 Views
Interesting - 16/10/2017 11:46:32 PM 835 Views
Old dude, you make a good point, too. - 17/10/2017 02:01:29 AM 789 Views
Authority for Authority sake is just as Mores-less as No Respect for Authority - 17/10/2017 06:07:15 AM 837 Views
All generations experienced different cultures with different views *NM* - 17/10/2017 11:41:40 AM 475 Views
Agreed but there is a difference in severity between 1997 to 2017 vs 997 to 1017 *NM* - 18/10/2017 05:52:14 AM 478 Views
but less than 1900 vs 1920 - 18/10/2017 02:27:59 PM 750 Views
I still have hope - 17/10/2017 12:50:35 PM 842 Views
I shall endeavor to combine Tom'n'Mookie's theories into one grand theory of... - 17/10/2017 02:15:48 AM 816 Views
This article agrees with your assessment - 17/10/2017 02:30:03 PM 908 Views
I appreciate your amendment. - 17/10/2017 03:14:19 AM 1088 Views
no it is just hard to see the problem from the inside - 17/10/2017 11:51:08 AM 803 Views
Re: no it is just hard to see the problem from the inside - uh, yes. - 17/10/2017 01:44:26 PM 886 Views
Most of us are very good at that - 17/10/2017 08:24:50 PM 819 Views
Thanks. - 17/10/2017 01:00:42 PM 731 Views
I disagree with relation to trigger warnings. - 17/10/2017 11:17:45 PM 795 Views
A fair point. - Still, how far will you extend them? - 18/10/2017 12:47:50 AM 774 Views
I don't know, but I'm not entirely sure it's a big deal either way. - 18/10/2017 02:56:09 AM 727 Views
Nods - 18/10/2017 03:17:17 AM 750 Views
And I would posit that no work of literature should have any trigger warnings. - 18/10/2017 01:02:44 PM 924 Views
Re: And I would posit that no work of literature should have any trigger warnings. - 18/10/2017 08:48:01 PM 806 Views
How would you propose such warnings be worded? - 18/10/2017 09:21:02 PM 779 Views
Do you know a lot of people who suffer from PTSD? - 19/10/2017 05:26:06 AM 957 Views
Stop. Now. - 19/10/2017 06:21:13 AM 727 Views
Avoidance isn't the purpose of those warnings, though. - 19/10/2017 06:32:16 AM 767 Views
You would ruin the literature though. And discussions around the literature. - 19/10/2017 01:21:20 PM 795 Views
That's reasonable. - 19/10/2017 11:58:56 PM 764 Views
Well argument settled becuase they already exist - 23/10/2017 01:46:55 PM 701 Views
Fuck you Tom - 19/10/2017 07:06:47 AM 901 Views
Oh come on... - 19/10/2017 05:12:46 PM 787 Views
Oh please - 19/10/2017 02:10:11 PM 855 Views
Re: Oh please - 20/10/2017 12:01:02 AM 789 Views
I'm just gonna put this out there... - 20/10/2017 07:24:55 PM 764 Views
Eh, I don't think that's accurate. - 21/10/2017 07:04:58 AM 704 Views
An unnecessary tool.... - 23/10/2017 05:14:06 PM 720 Views
Why does this reasoning apply to PTSD but not to other diseases? PTSD is a physical issue. - 24/10/2017 12:33:31 AM 720 Views
I would challenge that statment.... - 24/10/2017 05:14:17 PM 911 Views
Do you actually believe those examples are valid? *NM* - 23/10/2017 07:32:59 PM 435 Views
Agreed. - 19/10/2017 06:16:33 AM 881 Views
Interesting article. - 17/10/2017 07:41:34 PM 797 Views
Why are some HUMANS wary of freedom? - 17/10/2017 05:31:04 AM 754 Views
Maybe the victimhood thing is another kind of honor - 17/10/2017 01:02:43 PM 809 Views
Because it's easier to absolve oneself of power sometimes. For those people anyway. - 17/10/2017 01:10:41 PM 759 Views
I apologize before hand - 18/10/2017 01:11:59 AM 755 Views
I haven't read all the comments, so I apologize if I'm doubling up - 17/10/2017 01:06:00 PM 973 Views
Oh those echo chambers. - 17/10/2017 01:16:40 PM 855 Views
I hate blaming things - 17/10/2017 02:04:44 PM 939 Views
I'm not even sure "echo chamber" is the right phrase - 17/10/2017 02:17:07 PM 878 Views
I'm not sure that is the most common choice. - 17/10/2017 05:21:52 PM 952 Views
I get irritated too. But I still keep them in my news feed as well. - 17/10/2017 08:49:45 PM 754 Views
Je ne regrette rien. My memes are both spicy and piquant. *NM* - 17/10/2017 11:20:55 PM 430 Views
I'm of Russian extraction. I like my food bland. Garlic, dill, salt, pepper. It's enough for me. - 18/10/2017 12:52:27 AM 738 Views
You know, I'd not thought about that. - 18/10/2017 03:07:05 AM 794 Views
I find him intriguing as a Captain. - 18/10/2017 01:09:07 PM 749 Views
So now we are at episode 6 - 24/10/2017 12:31:06 PM 669 Views
6 was by far the best episode of the series. *NM* - 24/10/2017 08:07:55 PM 453 Views
Yes - 25/10/2017 12:50:15 PM 744 Views
But are your Memes brothy and fully of Umami? - 18/10/2017 01:17:07 AM 694 Views
Umami is an irritating word *NM* - 18/10/2017 04:59:21 PM 402 Views
Yes, ohdaddy is a much better word. *NM* - 18/10/2017 05:15:48 PM 509 Views
*NM* - 18/10/2017 05:39:12 PM 442 Views
*NM* - 18/10/2017 06:27:31 PM 428 Views
I do think some of this is specifically American and to a lesser extent the rest of the Anglosphere. - 17/10/2017 06:26:33 PM 809 Views
Agreed with all your points. - 17/10/2017 08:53:23 PM 817 Views
The Netherlands, I'm not so sure about. - 17/10/2017 11:43:54 PM 783 Views
My apologies. I see Dutch and don't think of Belgium. - 18/10/2017 12:56:26 AM 783 Views
That's alright. This is a confusing country in many ways. - 18/10/2017 08:58:15 PM 760 Views
America and to a lesser extent the rest of the Anglosphere puts a higher valuer on liberty *NM* - 19/10/2017 01:53:50 PM 472 Views
Yes, in some ways it does. *NM* - 19/10/2017 05:38:41 PM 472 Views
Simple, true fredom is includes the freedom to fail - 20/10/2017 05:43:13 PM 818 Views
Re: Simple, true fredom is/includes the freedom to fail *NM* - 20/10/2017 05:45:51 PM 503 Views
Yes it is the freedom to fail - 20/10/2017 06:36:02 PM 827 Views
This entire thread was so awesome.... - 20/10/2017 07:12:46 PM 840 Views
Jeo I think you in particular will appreciate this - 20/10/2017 09:07:39 PM 775 Views
Interesting.....wisdom from on high.... - 20/10/2017 09:58:36 PM 694 Views
damn it *NM* - 20/10/2017 09:07:39 PM 405 Views
I think a lot of us are thinking about trigger warnings differently. - 21/10/2017 07:07:01 AM 768 Views
Maybe, maybe not... - 23/10/2017 05:18:16 PM 679 Views
Glad you enjoyed it and that it provoked thought. - 23/10/2017 02:32:57 PM 753 Views
I see this as... - 23/10/2017 05:23:54 PM 735 Views
I kind of break them down into two types - 22/10/2017 03:25:04 AM 816 Views
I wonder how much the fall of communism has to do with this? - 24/10/2017 10:20:16 PM 779 Views
Definitely more than a bit. - 25/10/2017 12:51:55 PM 710 Views

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