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Oh those echo chambers. The Shrike Send a noteboard - 17/10/2017 01:16:40 PM

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But I'm not convinced it's fear. It feels more like overconfidence that they know what's Right. And if one is so sure something is correct, why would the other side need a say? Particularly if it's offensive or potentially hurtful to friends? They are likely to believe it's being said TO offend, rather than add value to the conversation.

I remember feeling very certain of many things when I was younger (marriage is for men and women, for one), but I didn't have social media or the ability to wrap myself in an echo chamber or bubble. I had a very outspoken family, and wotmania, aka: every opinion any kind of person has ever had in one place. I almost can't remember the original me.


I can empathize with how you perceive yourself to have changed. I too have changed. I used to be a militant atheist (Soviet parents, NYC raised) and now am much more accepting of religions, especially the good influence of Christianity. Yes, no religion is perfect but there are so many good people who practice religions that I can't be them anymore. People at Wotmania helped me become a better person; a more open minded person.

I do wonder if those echo chambers are part of the problem. We only see a part of the world rather than the entire world. We can choose our news. We can then choose our friends. We can do so much choosing that when we see a part of the world we think its the entire world. And so when we see glimpses of the worlds outside our bubble we are shocked react negatively. Perhaps it is fear of the unknown. Perhaps its a lack of tolerance. Perhaps its all those issues together to combine together to create the problem.

But as long as there we accept that there may be a problem and talk about it then we can at least think about ways forward that fix the issues.

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Why Are [SOME] Millennials Wary of Freedom? - 16/10/2017 07:16:47 PM 2196 Views
Good article. - 16/10/2017 08:05:48 PM 756 Views
Indeed it is a pathology of fear. - 17/10/2017 01:59:24 AM 699 Views
This makes me especially sad. - 17/10/2017 12:47:51 PM 633 Views
never thought of it that way but excellent points *NM* - 17/10/2017 03:31:51 AM 497 Views
Definitely a possibility. - 17/10/2017 12:46:42 PM 621 Views
Do we still have WSE points? I was quite the mogul in the waning days of WoTmania. *NM* - 16/10/2017 11:36:00 PM 440 Views
/me steals your WSE points. *NM* - 17/10/2017 12:48:08 PM 406 Views
Interesting - 16/10/2017 11:46:32 PM 682 Views
Old dude, you make a good point, too. - 17/10/2017 02:01:29 AM 639 Views
Authority for Authority sake is just as Mores-less as No Respect for Authority - 17/10/2017 06:07:15 AM 720 Views
All generations experienced different cultures with different views *NM* - 17/10/2017 11:41:40 AM 411 Views
Agreed but there is a difference in severity between 1997 to 2017 vs 997 to 1017 *NM* - 18/10/2017 05:52:14 AM 422 Views
but less than 1900 vs 1920 - 18/10/2017 02:27:59 PM 605 Views
I still have hope - 17/10/2017 12:50:35 PM 705 Views
I shall endeavor to combine Tom'n'Mookie's theories into one grand theory of... - 17/10/2017 02:15:48 AM 668 Views
This article agrees with your assessment - 17/10/2017 02:30:03 PM 732 Views
I appreciate your amendment. - 17/10/2017 03:14:19 AM 903 Views
no it is just hard to see the problem from the inside - 17/10/2017 11:51:08 AM 637 Views
Re: no it is just hard to see the problem from the inside - uh, yes. - 17/10/2017 01:44:26 PM 659 Views
Most of us are very good at that - 17/10/2017 08:24:50 PM 660 Views
Thanks. - 17/10/2017 01:00:42 PM 596 Views
I disagree with relation to trigger warnings. - 17/10/2017 11:17:45 PM 663 Views
A fair point. - Still, how far will you extend them? - 18/10/2017 12:47:50 AM 626 Views
I don't know, but I'm not entirely sure it's a big deal either way. - 18/10/2017 02:56:09 AM 584 Views
Nods - 18/10/2017 03:17:17 AM 590 Views
And I would posit that no work of literature should have any trigger warnings. - 18/10/2017 01:02:44 PM 757 Views
Re: And I would posit that no work of literature should have any trigger warnings. - 18/10/2017 08:48:01 PM 659 Views
How would you propose such warnings be worded? - 18/10/2017 09:21:02 PM 639 Views
Do you know a lot of people who suffer from PTSD? - 19/10/2017 05:26:06 AM 793 Views
Stop. Now. - 19/10/2017 06:21:13 AM 594 Views
Avoidance isn't the purpose of those warnings, though. - 19/10/2017 06:32:16 AM 618 Views
You would ruin the literature though. And discussions around the literature. - 19/10/2017 01:21:20 PM 656 Views
That's reasonable. - 19/10/2017 11:58:56 PM 622 Views
Well argument settled becuase they already exist - 23/10/2017 01:46:55 PM 552 Views
Fuck you Tom - 19/10/2017 07:06:47 AM 742 Views
Oh come on... - 19/10/2017 05:12:46 PM 641 Views
Oh please - 19/10/2017 02:10:11 PM 721 Views
Re: Oh please - 20/10/2017 12:01:02 AM 673 Views
I'm just gonna put this out there... - 20/10/2017 07:24:55 PM 625 Views
Eh, I don't think that's accurate. - 21/10/2017 07:04:58 AM 561 Views
An unnecessary tool.... - 23/10/2017 05:14:06 PM 570 Views
Why does this reasoning apply to PTSD but not to other diseases? PTSD is a physical issue. - 24/10/2017 12:33:31 AM 586 Views
I would challenge that statment.... - 24/10/2017 05:14:17 PM 739 Views
Do you actually believe those examples are valid? *NM* - 23/10/2017 07:32:59 PM 377 Views
Agreed. - 19/10/2017 06:16:33 AM 726 Views
Interesting article. - 17/10/2017 07:41:34 PM 655 Views
Why are some HUMANS wary of freedom? - 17/10/2017 05:31:04 AM 599 Views
Maybe the victimhood thing is another kind of honor - 17/10/2017 01:02:43 PM 674 Views
Because it's easier to absolve oneself of power sometimes. For those people anyway. - 17/10/2017 01:10:41 PM 610 Views
I apologize before hand - 18/10/2017 01:11:59 AM 586 Views
I haven't read all the comments, so I apologize if I'm doubling up - 17/10/2017 01:06:00 PM 756 Views
Oh those echo chambers. - 17/10/2017 01:16:40 PM 696 Views
I hate blaming things - 17/10/2017 02:04:44 PM 710 Views
I'm not even sure "echo chamber" is the right phrase - 17/10/2017 02:17:07 PM 716 Views
I'm not sure that is the most common choice. - 17/10/2017 05:21:52 PM 749 Views
I get irritated too. But I still keep them in my news feed as well. - 17/10/2017 08:49:45 PM 611 Views
Je ne regrette rien. My memes are both spicy and piquant. *NM* - 17/10/2017 11:20:55 PM 371 Views
I'm of Russian extraction. I like my food bland. Garlic, dill, salt, pepper. It's enough for me. - 18/10/2017 12:52:27 AM 604 Views
You know, I'd not thought about that. - 18/10/2017 03:07:05 AM 653 Views
I find him intriguing as a Captain. - 18/10/2017 01:09:07 PM 592 Views
So now we are at episode 6 - 24/10/2017 12:31:06 PM 534 Views
6 was by far the best episode of the series. *NM* - 24/10/2017 08:07:55 PM 386 Views
Yes - 25/10/2017 12:50:15 PM 606 Views
But are your Memes brothy and fully of Umami? - 18/10/2017 01:17:07 AM 550 Views
Umami is an irritating word *NM* - 18/10/2017 04:59:21 PM 349 Views
Yes, ohdaddy is a much better word. *NM* - 18/10/2017 05:15:48 PM 433 Views
*NM* - 18/10/2017 05:39:12 PM 373 Views
*NM* - 18/10/2017 06:27:31 PM 364 Views
I do think some of this is specifically American and to a lesser extent the rest of the Anglosphere. - 17/10/2017 06:26:33 PM 660 Views
Agreed with all your points. - 17/10/2017 08:53:23 PM 638 Views
The Netherlands, I'm not so sure about. - 17/10/2017 11:43:54 PM 625 Views
My apologies. I see Dutch and don't think of Belgium. - 18/10/2017 12:56:26 AM 625 Views
That's alright. This is a confusing country in many ways. - 18/10/2017 08:58:15 PM 618 Views
America and to a lesser extent the rest of the Anglosphere puts a higher valuer on liberty *NM* - 19/10/2017 01:53:50 PM 394 Views
Yes, in some ways it does. *NM* - 19/10/2017 05:38:41 PM 414 Views
Simple, true fredom is includes the freedom to fail - 20/10/2017 05:43:13 PM 670 Views
Re: Simple, true fredom is/includes the freedom to fail *NM* - 20/10/2017 05:45:51 PM 438 Views
Yes it is the freedom to fail - 20/10/2017 06:36:02 PM 654 Views
This entire thread was so awesome.... - 20/10/2017 07:12:46 PM 717 Views
Jeo I think you in particular will appreciate this - 20/10/2017 09:07:39 PM 628 Views
Interesting.....wisdom from on high.... - 20/10/2017 09:58:36 PM 559 Views
damn it *NM* - 20/10/2017 09:07:39 PM 343 Views
I think a lot of us are thinking about trigger warnings differently. - 21/10/2017 07:07:01 AM 638 Views
Maybe, maybe not... - 23/10/2017 05:18:16 PM 538 Views
Glad you enjoyed it and that it provoked thought. - 23/10/2017 02:32:57 PM 609 Views
I see this as... - 23/10/2017 05:23:54 PM 590 Views
I kind of break them down into two types - 22/10/2017 03:25:04 AM 690 Views
I wonder how much the fall of communism has to do with this? - 24/10/2017 10:20:16 PM 665 Views
Definitely more than a bit. - 25/10/2017 12:51:55 PM 557 Views

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