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As I said to Cannoli - it's not about what it costs the US, but about what it's worth to North Korea Legolas Send a noteboard - 14/06/2018 07:26:43 PM

View original postAnd more on the actual event. Much has been said that the US is giving up more than the N.Korean's are. Really? Come on now. We've given up nothing. This isn't a contest between equals. This is a negotiation between the most powerful nation in the world, and one who has the capability of lashing out in any number of nonsensical directions. N.Korea would do nothing more than destroy stuff and take lives...and still get absolutely obliterated.

It really isn't a contest between equals - but Trump has certainly made it a lot easier for North Korea to pretend that it is, with a much-hyped one-on-one meeting, which he even prioritized enough that he was willing to leave early from the G7 meeting for it. Sure, it didn't cost him much to do that - other than providing further evidence to those who argue that Trump is attracted to strongmen and dictators while constantly getting into fights with democratically elected leaders. But it was worth a lot to North Korea, and he could've extracted more in exchange for agreeing to it.

View original postThe whole point is to prevent that from happening. Let's keep in mind that we just started talking with them, and it didn't devolve into chaos. Just 12 months ago, the media (and the left) were convinced that's exactly what would occur. Instead, Trump is playing it very well. Don't insult them. Keep them talking. Demonstrate that we can be humble and "give something up," while not really doing that at all.

True of course that it's only the beginning and too early to judge the whole endeavour. If somehow he really did solve a problem like North Korea that has stumped world leaders for decades, he'd genuinely deserve that Nobel Peace Prize that has been mentioned. But from someone who so loves to bully and insult his allies, and rants so much about the Iran deal, it's certainly curious to see him taking such a radically different approach with a horrible dictatorship like North Korea.

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So. Trump and the little rocket man. Legolas - 13/06/2018 10:09:45 PM 1210 Views

Typical nonsense Cannoli - 13/06/2018 11:12:19 PM 764 Views

Wow, I get line by line commentary... nice.

Legolas - 14/06/2018 12:22:12 AM 694 Views

Actually, the article that got the commentary, I left your not-particularly risible words alone

Cannoli - 14/06/2018 06:12:58 AM 805 Views

The point is, in a negotiation, it's about what things are worth to the other side - not to you. Legolas - 14/06/2018 08:04:30 AM 698 Views

Mostly agree with you AgentApple - 14/06/2018 10:25:35 AM 680 Views

Terrifying if Trump's emotive language is genuine kHz1000 - 13/06/2018 11:27:37 PM 832 Views

Have you ever worked with someone... Jeordam - 14/06/2018 05:03:19 PM 696 Views

Re: Have you ever worked with someone... kHz1000 - 15/06/2018 09:14:50 PM 792 Views

So less on the article... Jeordam - 14/06/2018 05:01:26 PM 685 Views

didn't you know that joint military operations are all the keep them from rolling of South Korea???? *NM* random thoughts - 14/06/2018 07:23:12 PM 385 Views

As I said to Cannoli - it's not about what it costs the US, but about what it's worth to North Korea Legolas - 14/06/2018 07:26:43 PM 737 Views

Trump doesn't care what Kim and North Korea pretend... damookster - 14/06/2018 07:48:26 PM 671 Views

It certainly seems that way. Legolas - 14/06/2018 11:14:58 PM 666 Views

The conservative never-Trumpers hate him as much, if not more, than the liberals. damookster - 14/06/2018 11:36:46 PM 679 Views

As they should. Legolas - 15/06/2018 12:02:40 AM 673 Views

What real worlkd gains does Norht Korea get? random thoughts - 14/06/2018 08:40:32 PM 676 Views

So let them think it... Jeordam - 14/06/2018 10:21:46 PM 695 Views

Funny how it went from Trump is going to start WWIII to Trump caved random thoughts - 14/06/2018 07:21:44 PM 718 Views

Um, yes. Trump radically changed his position, so the media descriptions changed too? Legolas - 14/06/2018 07:40:37 PM 670 Views

The problem is the media posistion is always the same, Trump is wrong. random thoughts - 14/06/2018 08:30:38 PM 681 Views

That would be more convincing if you said it in a case where he was right. Legolas - 14/06/2018 09:17:43 PM 677 Views

I don't agree... gban007 - 14/06/2018 09:37:23 PM 696 Views

I agree with this. damookster - 14/06/2018 10:08:27 PM 702 Views

They're not contradictory - just a bit more subtle than having two binary options. Legolas - 14/06/2018 11:01:39 PM 806 Views

Well gban007 - 15/06/2018 12:03:41 AM 687 Views

Here you are being too optimistic. Sadly for the US and the world. The Shrike - 15/06/2018 05:55:14 PM 682 Views

I'd say it was mostly the Democrats who caused and are causing this divide. AgentApple - 20/06/2018 09:07:58 AM 732 Views

If you think it's mostly Democrats, you're partisan enough to be a part of the problem. The Shrike - 20/06/2018 12:29:38 PM 656 Views

I'm *kinda* with you? Jeordam - 20/06/2018 04:20:46 PM 685 Views

Ratings are creeping up because of outrage fatigue ? That makes no sense. AgentApple - 20/06/2018 09:02:17 AM 694 Views

Sure it does. Legolas - 22/06/2018 10:02:39 PM 713 Views

It's a start, albeit a very weak start. The Shrike - 15/06/2018 05:49:27 PM 650 Views

Wouldn't that be ironic? damookster - 15/06/2018 06:03:37 PM 688 Views

Nothing here *NM* kHz1000 - 15/06/2018 09:10:51 PM 418 Views

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<quote id="301125">And more on the actual event.  Much has been said that the US is giving up more than the N.Korean's are.  Really?  Come on now.  We've given up nothing.  This isn't a contest between equals.  This is a negotiation between the most powerful nation in the world, and one who has the capability of lashing out in any number of nonsensical directions.  N.Korea would do nothing more than destroy stuff and take lives...and still get absolutely obliterated.</quote>
It really isn't a contest between equals - but Trump has certainly made it a lot easier for North Korea to pretend that it is, with a much-hyped one-on-one meeting, which he even prioritized enough that he was willing to leave early from the G7 meeting for it. Sure, it didn't cost him much to do that - other than providing further evidence to those who argue that Trump is attracted to strongmen and dictators while constantly getting into fights with democratically elected leaders. But it was worth a lot to North Korea, and he could've extracted more in exchange for agreeing to it. 
<quote id="301125">The whole point is to prevent that from happening.  Let's keep in mind that we just started talking with them, and it didn't devolve into chaos. Just 12 months ago, the media (and the left) were convinced that's exactly what would occur.  Instead, Trump is playing it very well.  Don't insult them.  Keep them talking.  Demonstrate that we can be humble and "give something up," while not  really doing that at all.</quote>
True of course that it's only the beginning and too early to judge the whole endeavour. If somehow he really did solve a problem like North Korea that has stumped world leaders for decades, he'd genuinely deserve that Nobel Peace Prize that has been mentioned. But from someone who so loves to bully and insult his allies, and rants so much about the Iran deal, it's certainly curious to see him taking such a radically different approach with a horrible dictatorship like North Korea.

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