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No it is not that simple Greg Roland00 Send a noteboard - 10/01/2019 01:37:17 AM

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They are not citizens or even legal permanent residents.

Stop using your own emotions on this issue and think about what "right" do the children have to be here? Do they have any "right"? Were they born here? No? Then they don't have the 'right' to reside here. It's quite simple.


No it is not that simple Greg, U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark (189 states that they do have some rights (protections of the laws via the fifth ammdnement) for merely being here and I do not think "we" at RAFO as non lawyers want to go down each individual laws to see whether they apply to these people or not.

Yes they can be deported period, but how it occurs, etc has to follow the law and even then they have some natural rights even if they do not have the natural right to be in the US that a citizen naturally grants.

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It's quite simple.

Actually no, for the fact one side says it is not simple and the other side says it is simple does not make it "quite."

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