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It really is that simple. Take out so-called morals. Take out emotions. The Shrike Send a noteboard - 10/01/2019 04:07:54 PM

DACA was an act of the Imperial Presidency. It was not a law passed by Congress.

Do these individuals have a 'right' to reside here? They have Presidential directive and the courts for now. Their long term existence in the US is precarious.

Do I believe these children - now adults - who were brought here should be allowed to stay? Yes, but with serious conditions. And with additional laws stating that no other children will ever get the same kind of treatment again. These people are now part of the wider immigration debate.

You can bring in emotions. You can bring in morals. Do whatever you want. I don't honestly care to continue to debate this with you as I find your view not based enough on laws so please enjoy the last reply - if you feel the need to do so.

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Trump Tonight - National Address on Immigration and the Wall Anonymous2000 - 08/01/2019 07:14:06 PM 692 Views
But - If you build it, they will come. Seems counterproductive then, no? The Shrike - 08/01/2019 07:41:42 PM 399 Views
Very reasonable compromise..... Anonymous2000 - 09/01/2019 12:19:00 AM 416 Views
*Scratches head*... this is reasonable? fionwe1987 - 09/01/2019 06:35:28 AM 390 Views
Illegal entry is a misdemeanor crime. So yes, it is a crime. The Shrike - 09/01/2019 02:03:45 PM 404 Views
Does that apply to children? fionwe1987 - 09/01/2019 07:21:41 PM 383 Views
Not really Roland00 - 09/01/2019 09:31:42 PM 356 Views
They, and their parents, would have been deported. The Shrike - 10/01/2019 12:55:17 AM 368 Views
People forget Obama earned the sobriquet, The Deporter in Chief. *NM* damookster - 10/01/2019 01:12:30 AM 175 Views
Dude deported millions. But the media didn't act impartially and report on it. The Shrike - 10/01/2019 04:09:58 PM 354 Views
Quotes from prominent Democrats on illegal immigration damookster - 10/01/2019 08:15:05 PM 367 Views
There's also this amazing speech from Bill Clinton (one I completely agree with). The Shrike - 11/01/2019 03:35:29 PM 351 Views
"Mens rea"+"Minor"="No Crime Committed" on the part of the minor. Roland00 - 09/01/2019 09:22:01 PM 359 Views
But any way you look at it.... Jeordam - 09/01/2019 10:33:58 PM 368 Views
Do you have a right to life, liberty, and a pursuit of happiness? Roland00 - 09/01/2019 11:48:00 PM 351 Views
Jeordam is using the law here. They don't have any rights to be here. The Shrike - 10/01/2019 12:57:41 AM 377 Views
No it is not that simple Greg Roland00 - 10/01/2019 01:37:17 AM 368 Views
It really is that simple. Take out so-called morals. Take out emotions. The Shrike - 10/01/2019 04:07:54 PM 373 Views
I hope you have a good day Greg Roland00 - 10/01/2019 04:33:06 PM 390 Views
Roland, you are talking around the point....not answering the point. Jeordam - 10/01/2019 07:05:05 PM 354 Views
The end justifies the means. / But what if there never is an end? / All we have is means. Roland00 - 10/01/2019 07:32:09 PM 370 Views
Re: The end justifies the means. / But what if there never is an end? / All we have is means. Jeordam - 10/01/2019 07:36:25 PM 359 Views
Why do I need to listen to Pelosi, why do I need to listen to Trump? Why those specific 2 people *NM* Roland00 - 10/01/2019 08:04:03 PM 162 Views
And actually, can I toss this into the ring.... Jeordam - 10/01/2019 07:10:12 PM 342 Views
Different concepts Roland00 - 10/01/2019 08:03:09 PM 372 Views
This focus on what to do about illegals already here is a tangent and not the point. damookster - 10/01/2019 08:24:45 PM 351 Views
The wall will not solve the problem of the people already here, nor will it prevent Roland00 - 10/01/2019 08:59:14 PM 360 Views
as I already stated in my reply to Greg... damookster - 10/01/2019 09:14:32 PM 351 Views
Exactly! Jeordam - 10/01/2019 10:23:27 PM 361 Views
This is simultaneously a Troll comment and an Earnest one. Roland00 - 11/01/2019 01:29:28 AM 369 Views
And what you just said is hyperbole Jeordam - 11/01/2019 06:01:23 PM 373 Views
It is a complex problem. Roland00 - 10/01/2019 11:44:47 PM 347 Views
Just putting this out there.... Jeordam - 10/01/2019 11:53:36 PM 367 Views
I absolutely agree with you that there are many far more significant issues damookster - 11/01/2019 02:41:32 AM 365 Views
Walks over to Mookie's lawn with an unopened bottle of Titos in his right hand. Roland00 - 11/01/2019 05:45:28 PM 350 Views
I would like that. damookster - 11/01/2019 06:07:32 PM 344 Views
As it should be Roland00 - 11/01/2019 07:13:49 PM 344 Views
They may not be the same... Jeordam - 10/01/2019 10:28:46 PM 346 Views
To legal outsiders it looks like a distinction without a difference Roland00 - 10/01/2019 10:56:43 PM 331 Views
I'm glad you recognized it. Jeordam - 10/01/2019 11:12:24 PM 363 Views
Are we under the belief... Jeordam - 09/01/2019 05:56:57 PM 363 Views
Not currently... fionwe1987 - 09/01/2019 07:23:43 PM 349 Views
So then no. Jeordam - 09/01/2019 10:30:49 PM 350 Views
I didn't watch it... Jeordam - 09/01/2019 04:41:23 PM 386 Views
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