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You could let the market determine that, I guess. Ghavrel Send a noteboard - 16/06/2020 08:56:23 PM

But you're asking the wrong questions. It's not "does the worker deserve $15/hr," but "why is the wealth being created by the worker going somewhere other than to him?" And the answer is simple: because somebody else owns the franchise. That person extracts wealth by virtue of allowing people to operate the means of production.

If our country WEREN'T captivated by the lust for money, why are there people choosing between rent and medicine each month?

"We feel safe when we read what we recognise, what does not challenge our way of thinking.... a steady acceptance of pre-arranged patterns leads to the inability to question what we are told."
~Camilla

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I'm curious. damookster - 08/06/2020 06:59:18 PM 1247 Views
Knowledge is always uncertain, there will always be under and overreactions. Roland00 - 08/06/2020 07:06:35 PM 517 Views
I would expect so, yes. *NM* Legolas - 08/06/2020 08:00:59 PM 273 Views
That yes is for which question? Or is it for both? *NM* damookster - 08/06/2020 08:23:06 PM 270 Views
The first one. Otherwise I'd have said no and yes. *NM* Legolas - 08/06/2020 09:19:48 PM 263 Views
Yes, I believe we will... fionwe1987 - 08/06/2020 10:15:30 PM 550 Views
Why are you so invested in either closing down the country or the seriousness of the flu? Cannoli - 09/06/2020 06:37:24 PM 596 Views
Because I care about my fellow human being, cockroach. Go infest somewhere else. I'm done with you. *NM* fionwe1987 - 09/06/2020 08:35:42 PM 280 Views
Except you don't. You really, REALLY want this disease to be worse than it is. Cannoli - 12/06/2020 11:06:50 AM 564 Views
Sure. Anyone who disagrees with you wants mass poverty or mass death. No other possibility exists... fionwe1987 - 12/06/2020 02:44:08 PM 542 Views
Fionwe same as other alt-left crazies Nargs - 16/06/2020 05:24:12 PM 584 Views
I dunno what's "alt" about it. We're the mainstream. Which must scare you fionwe1987 - 16/06/2020 06:06:44 PM 502 Views
Dissonance Nargs - 16/06/2020 08:02:08 PM 502 Views
Do you think it's possible to disagree, even vehemently damookster - 16/06/2020 08:14:50 PM 569 Views
I'm sure it is, in some conditions. fionwe1987 - 16/06/2020 09:43:50 PM 570 Views
I am not a middle aged white man. I'm an old white man. damookster - 16/06/2020 06:15:52 PM 554 Views
Evidence is not on your side, damook *NM* Nargs - 16/06/2020 07:27:39 PM 277 Views
Much like... Jeordam - 16/06/2020 07:34:14 PM 581 Views
Statistically Insignificant Nargs - 16/06/2020 08:07:03 PM 510 Views
Stats don't tell the whole story. damookster - 16/06/2020 08:06:17 PM 506 Views
You're right but on race? Nargs - 16/06/2020 08:08:40 PM 558 Views
Yes, you're right. damookster - 16/06/2020 08:17:04 PM 499 Views
You realize that's not a contradiction, right? fionwe1987 - 16/06/2020 09:49:56 PM 541 Views
A few points gban007 - 17/06/2020 09:29:15 PM 536 Views
I wasn't going to say it but... Nargs - 16/06/2020 08:17:57 PM 558 Views
Again: you really are a loathsome little ball of slime. Ghavrel - 10/06/2020 02:11:52 AM 519 Views
It's not my world, it's theirs. Cannoli - 12/06/2020 11:13:14 AM 551 Views
Burning down corporate stores and taking their stolen wealth is a moral good. *NM* Ghavrel - 15/06/2020 12:04:52 AM 271 Views
Stolen Wealth? Jeordam - 15/06/2020 04:50:59 PM 547 Views
How does one determine what is Original Sin? Roland00 - 15/06/2020 05:17:37 PM 546 Views
So then.... Jeordam - 15/06/2020 09:59:31 PM 528 Views
I'm uncertain if this is what Ghavrel meant, but I'd assume you don't need proof that slavery... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2020 07:59:07 PM 520 Views
So we're talking about reparations....? Jeordam - 15/06/2020 09:42:37 PM 551 Views
Why must money solve "all" issues? fionwe1987 - 15/06/2020 11:32:05 PM 518 Views
So then money won't... Jeordam - 16/06/2020 06:09:24 PM 563 Views
fionwe1987 - 16/06/2020 06:29:59 PM 526 Views
Those aren't codified examples Jeordam - 16/06/2020 07:31:49 PM 524 Views
Well that's some special nonsense fionwe1987 - 16/06/2020 09:55:42 PM 539 Views
We're having a discussion...please try and not denigrate me. Jeordam - 17/06/2020 05:26:36 PM 509 Views
But I didn't clearly state I want to denigrate you. You're inferring intent. How's that ok? fionwe1987 - 17/06/2020 06:06:28 PM 522 Views
Pain and Death they *actively* choose... Jeordam - 17/06/2020 06:39:13 PM 547 Views
They make no such choice. Which is why they're out there protesting fionwe1987 - 17/06/2020 07:00:25 PM 568 Views
Sigh Roland00 - 16/06/2020 08:15:12 PM 516 Views
Nah I just straight up think capitalism is evil. Reparations should be paid, though. *NM* Ghavrel - 16/06/2020 09:22:46 AM 257 Views
Fair enough. *NM* fionwe1987 - 16/06/2020 02:54:11 PM 251 Views
aaah... Jeordam - 16/06/2020 06:10:16 PM 533 Views
Re: Stolen Wealth? Ghavrel - 16/06/2020 09:21:32 AM 507 Views
Rather it should be The State? *NM* damookster - 16/06/2020 12:10:59 PM 253 Views
What is "the State" fionwe1987 - 16/06/2020 02:57:34 PM 516 Views
my comment was directed to Ghavrel. damookster - 16/06/2020 04:49:39 PM 502 Views
You shouldn't make assumptions... fionwe1987 - 16/06/2020 06:10:02 PM 513 Views
Lemme tell you about this cool thing called syndicalism... *NM* Ghavrel - 17/06/2020 06:46:38 AM 267 Views
There's a lot I like about that... *NM* fionwe1987 - 17/06/2020 06:07:47 PM 234 Views
Syndicalisme révolutionnaire, peut-être? *NM* damookster - 17/06/2020 06:29:00 PM 230 Views
I'm actually still a reformist, believe it or not. *NM* Ghavrel - 18/06/2020 03:29:18 PM 256 Views
Bah *NM* damookster - 18/06/2020 03:36:20 PM 234 Views
I been thinking about the different religious sects of Himboism, suddenly ... Roland00 - 29/06/2020 01:30:09 AM 499 Views
The only state with legitimacy is the Kingdom of Heaven. *NM* Ghavrel - 16/06/2020 08:57:26 PM 242 Views
Are we talking about the Mormon Sect? Roland00 - 16/06/2020 09:06:14 PM 491 Views
My bad damookster - 16/06/2020 10:20:14 PM 517 Views
In fairness, I usually talk policy goals as a social democrat. Ghavrel - 17/06/2020 12:34:45 AM 525 Views
They The Shrike - 17/06/2020 06:29:35 PM 541 Views
damookster - 17/06/2020 06:40:30 PM 535 Views
I go by she and her, but thank you. <3 *NM* Ghavrel - 18/06/2020 03:45:46 PM 265 Views
I try to be very sensitive to this. damookster - 18/06/2020 03:55:01 PM 530 Views
It means a great deal to me. I can't overstate how much it means to your grandson. *NM* Ghavrel - 18/06/2020 04:04:53 PM 275 Views
Catholicism by itself is a Performance Arts Piece Roland00 - 18/06/2020 01:17:45 AM 502 Views
A Catholic?! What?! I'm an Episcopalian. Ghavrel - 18/06/2020 03:45:24 PM 558 Views
No thanks. Not into non-democracies. *NM* The Shrike - 17/06/2020 06:26:29 PM 249 Views
Ah a fellow Devil's Party Member. *NM* Roland00 - 18/06/2020 01:13:37 AM 231 Views
I can empathize with this view, actually, though I no longer hold it. *NM* Ghavrel - 18/06/2020 03:47:24 PM 265 Views
That's the debate, isn't it. Jeordam - 16/06/2020 06:16:10 PM 491 Views
Economists have been arguing this for over 400 years. Roland00 - 16/06/2020 08:22:57 PM 515 Views
You could let the market determine that, I guess. Ghavrel - 16/06/2020 08:56:23 PM 500 Views
Because we do not live in Paradise. Jeordam - 17/06/2020 05:36:58 PM 500 Views
Exactly. So the worker should own the means of production with other workers. Ghavrel - 17/06/2020 06:11:21 PM 501 Views
So my question then is.... Jeordam - 17/06/2020 06:46:11 PM 548 Views
Sigh...I just can't not. Roland00 - 18/06/2020 01:20:09 AM 475 Views
You know "talent" in the Bible is explictly referring to money, right? Ghavrel - 18/06/2020 03:43:11 PM 543 Views
Jesus also said it is easier for a camel to pass though a needle's eye... damookster - 18/06/2020 03:49:43 PM 490 Views
This is true! Ghavrel - 18/06/2020 04:04:16 PM 547 Views
Thou shalt not steal. *NM* The Shrike - 15/06/2020 11:10:34 PM 239 Views
"Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel." *NM* Ghavrel - 16/06/2020 09:19:26 AM 248 Views
"Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's" *NM* damookster - 16/06/2020 12:13:15 PM 222 Views
Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall. *NM* The Shrike - 16/06/2020 12:15:04 PM 232 Views
"Your gold and silver is cankered; and the rust of them shall be a witness against you..." *NM* Ghavrel - 16/06/2020 10:15:41 PM 255 Views
Is a concern of mine gban007 - 08/06/2020 10:16:09 PM 535 Views
A natural experiment fionwe1987 - 08/06/2020 10:42:34 PM 495 Views
Yes, we probably will. But demonstrators wearing masks are not normal life. Ghavrel - 09/06/2020 07:10:31 AM 542 Views
I'm not sure that's a valid comparison. damookster - 09/06/2020 05:57:31 PM 508 Views
Agreed. These aren't comparable situations. fionwe1987 - 09/06/2020 06:09:27 PM 518 Views
Down South that is called Communism Mookie. Roland00 - 09/06/2020 06:32:06 PM 501 Views
Alabama is down south, right? aerocontrols - 09/06/2020 10:08:15 PM 512 Views
I was comparing it to a control situation of no state action in response to SARS-CoV-2. Ghavrel - 10/06/2020 02:09:19 AM 503 Views
We have all the same rules here in Seattle Bad Ash - 10/06/2020 07:45:59 PM 517 Views
I figured you aerocontrols - 09/06/2020 10:09:36 PM 507 Views
About your original question... fionwe1987 - 17/06/2020 09:25:38 PM 535 Views
that is encouraging damookster - 17/06/2020 09:44:10 PM 529 Views
Re: that is encouraging fionwe1987 - 17/06/2020 10:10:34 PM 482 Views
Seems indoors with strangers is more a predictor than outdoor protests. Roland00 - 27/06/2020 02:38:07 AM 594 Views
Tips, maybe? fionwe1987 - 27/06/2020 05:10:30 AM 547 Views
Perhaps Roland00 - 27/06/2020 10:19:39 PM 475 Views
A 315 city study, BLM protests did not cause a spike in COVID cases. Roland00 - 27/06/2020 10:19:05 PM 514 Views
Sigh, here is some bad news. Case Reports and a Lab study suggests COVID may cause type 1 diabetes Roland00 - 28/06/2020 06:11:45 AM 484 Views
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