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Well that's how it was at first... but I don't think you can go back there now. Legolas Send a noteboard - 14/12/2023 07:57:52 PM

View original postThen the West Bank becoming a part of Jordan and Gaza becoming a part of Egypt would be the best outcome. If one think about the territory that is now Jordan, Israel and the West Bank, then the Palestinians are no different than the Jordanians except for the fact that the Palestinians are stateless post 1948. By incorporating the Palestinians into Jordan/Egypt, the chance for a terrorist org to come to power is lessened and there is a better chance for greater security and peace in the region.

Back in 1949, there wasn't much of a difference between Jordanians and Palestinians - they'd been administered separately during the Mandate and prior to that were in different provinces, but they weren't separate peoples. But that's several generations ago, by now they definitely are separate... neither the Palestinians nor Jordan would want that. Especially since, as someone mentioned elsewhere in this thread, Jordan has had bad experiences with the PLO trying to take over their country, so they won't be too keen to go back to the pre-1967 situation and take on a large number of additional Palestinians.

As for Egypt, they were a separate country from the Levant for most of their history even if there were also periods that they did control it, so definitely different nations. And modern day Egypt already struggles with discontent and Islamist resistance in Sinai as it is, besides all their more general problems, it's quite understandable they wouldn't want to add another restless province on the far side of Sinai, even if the Gazans wanted that.

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Re: They dug their own graves damookster - 11/12/2023 03:15:59 AM 259 Views
rhetorical question Mookie (it does not matter the answer) Roland00 - 11/12/2023 03:45:11 AM 264 Views
I have not damookster - 11/12/2023 02:49:55 PM 292 Views
Yeah that is why I asked Roland00 - 11/12/2023 04:24:40 PM 254 Views
There's a lot of double standards involved, aren't there? Legolas - 11/12/2023 07:02:06 PM 266 Views
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Re: Yep, I know. Legolas - 14/12/2023 01:33:53 PM 242 Views
Where do you get your stats ? AgentApple - 14/12/2023 07:09:02 AM 262 Views
the Hamas Ministry of Stats is likely an under-count Roland00 - 14/12/2023 12:57:46 PM 254 Views
Given the nature of Hamas, the numbers are likely an overcount The Shrike - 14/12/2023 01:16:00 PM 226 Views
whatever Roland00 - 14/12/2023 02:50:53 PM 242 Views
Given the choice between believing a Democracy and an Autocratic Terrorist Gov The Shrike - 14/12/2023 04:01:54 PM 237 Views
Chora I believe both are capable of lying Roland00 - 14/12/2023 04:16:14 PM 261 Views
To quote you, gurlfriend, "whatever". The Shrike - 14/12/2023 04:19:10 PM 247 Views
Obviously, anyone is capable of lying. damookster - 14/12/2023 04:30:29 PM 245 Views
You know that Roland is incapable of stating that the terrorist org Hamas is more likely to lie The Shrike - 14/12/2023 04:38:30 PM 232 Views
the names that Hamas was releasing in October Roland00 - 14/12/2023 04:49:06 PM 250 Views
What stats are you contesting, exactly? Legolas - 14/12/2023 02:12:18 PM 243 Views
Re: What stats are you contesting, exactly? AgentApple - 17/12/2023 02:34:34 PM 255 Views
Yeah, I'm still confused what you're trying to claim about the numbers Legolas - 17/12/2023 10:51:00 PM 250 Views
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I'm not sure your view of me on this is that accurate. Legolas - 20/12/2023 08:06:23 PM 255 Views
Because no one in the Arab world wants the "Palestinians" The Shrike - 14/12/2023 01:18:31 PM 258 Views
GDP per capita in Palestine is almost exactly equal to Egypt aerocontrols - 14/12/2023 05:36:55 PM 254 Views
There's always Antarctica Tom - 16/12/2023 03:22:01 AM 247 Views
From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free aerocontrols - 13/12/2023 03:01:21 PM 234 Views
The idea is free from foreign oppression - internal freedom is, indeed, another story. Legolas - 14/12/2023 02:33:21 PM 249 Views
Re: The idea is free from foreign oppression - internal freedom is, indeed, another story. aerocontrols - 14/12/2023 03:13:36 PM 241 Views
Re: The idea is free from foreign oppression - internal freedom is, indeed, another story. Legolas - 14/12/2023 03:39:55 PM 246 Views
From my perspective, The Shrike - 14/12/2023 04:09:31 PM 252 Views
Well that's how it was at first... but I don't think you can go back there now. Legolas - 14/12/2023 07:57:52 PM 253 Views
It means free of Jews AgentApple - 17/12/2023 02:41:09 PM 250 Views
Re: From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free damookster - 14/12/2023 03:32:17 PM 252 Views
Is the point to imply that 'pre-1948' meant no Israeli state at all? Legolas - 14/12/2023 03:56:59 PM 267 Views
Exactly damookster - 14/12/2023 04:28:01 PM 260 Views
Those 3 Presidents are Bureaucratic Scum. The Shrike - 14/12/2023 01:21:56 PM 253 Views
So Claudine Gay, Harvard Pres resigns Roland00 - 02/01/2024 05:55:09 PM 241 Views
Re: So Claudine Gay, Harvard Pres resigns damookster - 03/01/2024 04:38:14 PM 234 Views
Hey that’s not fair! Roland00 - 03/01/2024 10:51:43 PM 236 Views
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