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And why shouldn't they? Praziquantel Send a noteboard - 10/01/2014 04:25:21 AM

View original postAre your victory conditions the same as those from the Watch? You already said you were not part of the Watch. So far I've seen more indications of faction winning conditions. "The Town" is not a true faction. Although the Watch is pro-Town, if the Watch wins, I think the rest of the Town may lose - and I don't think you want that. Unless your objectives are the same as those from the Watch. But how could that be, if you're not in the Watch?

No they are not the same as the Watch's win conditions, but I see no reason why I would lose if they won... In the games I've played in the past, there has always been a rule that if there is a period of no deaths for 3 days/nights, the town wins. Logic? If the scum aren't able to kill the town, then they are no threat to the town. So, I am not worried about no one dying at night... In fact, I am worried about the opposite -- a lot people dying, especially at night. With that in mind, I'm happy to help FT reach this win condition.

Why do you think my victory conditions should be incompatible with a lack of night kills? Are your victory conditions incompatible with that? From your reaction, it sounds like they are. If they're not compatible, then I hope you'll explain 1) what they actually are, and 2) why I should support them.


View original postI admit (and have already done so), that I do have to eliminate players that are a threat. The whole discussion between FT and beet focuses on Vigs and SKs, for which one if pro-Town and the other anti-Town. Just like that, having to Lynch people is not anti-Town. It's how Mafia is played. It may be Anti-YourFaction, but in that case: tough.

I'm willing to lynch people who I see as motivated killers... which is why I'm voting beet. However, like I explained above, it sounds like I can technically win without lynching, if necessary. If FT/town would like to just proceed with no-lynch + roleblock at night, I'm happy to continue that way as well.

View original postDid you get confirmation from the Mod on this? He might tell, or might RAFO you.

I know he reads this thread, so I assume he would have responded if he wanted to say something. I'll send him a message but I expect a RAFO.


View original postAnd why did you target me that night? Anybody else was targeted in other nights?

Mostly random, there wasn't a lot to go off of at the end of Day 2. Yes I did roleblock someone each night and I was told I was successful each night. No one else has admitted to being roleblocked, though. Maybe they're hiding the fact that they tried to kill someone, or it could just be that they have no night action or didn't do anything that night (and so the mod maybe didn't tell them they were "blocked" ). Not sure I should reveal yet. But I will say that the first night choice was also mostly random. And last night, I just made an educated guess; I don't know if I actually stopped anything or not.
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Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 4 - A New Soap Isaac - 23/12/2013 02:05:56 PM 2058 Views
I was kind of hoping we had a Watch faction that would take out a Hippo tonight. beetnemesis - 23/12/2013 03:22:57 PM 1371 Views
I targeted a lot of people and don't know against whom I was successful or not. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 23/12/2013 11:47:29 PM 902 Views
Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm *NM* beetnemesis - 24/12/2013 07:46:16 AM 834 Views
"a lot of people" and "don't know" the results Artsapat - 24/12/2013 08:03:12 AM 1338 Views
You oughtn't be so surprised. Fanatic-Templar - 24/12/2013 07:22:47 PM 1292 Views
Seems pretty consistent to me Praziquantel - 24/12/2013 07:40:33 PM 1440 Views
...it does? His last hypocop was "Did nothing so I could save Morale" beetnemesis - 24/12/2013 09:51:02 PM 1207 Views
Re: ...it does? His last hypocop was "Did nothing so I could save Morale" Praziquantel - 24/12/2013 10:15:41 PM 1224 Views
Re: Seems pretty consistent to me Fanatic-Templar - 25/12/2013 04:09:14 AM 1307 Views
I'd like to know if you targetted me, as well. beetnemesis - 25/12/2013 02:17:25 PM 1412 Views
Did something happen to you? Fanatic-Templar - 27/12/2013 03:45:20 AM 1301 Views
I believe so beetnemesis - 28/12/2013 12:58:24 AM 1321 Views
Well? Did you target me? I will make a statement immediately upon your answer. beetnemesis - 29/12/2013 03:52:17 AM 1160 Views
Why would I answer? Fanatic-Templar - 29/12/2013 03:59:24 AM 1208 Views
Fine, then. Vote: Yunalesca beetnemesis - 30/12/2013 03:59:03 PM 1260 Views
Hmm ? - 01/01/2014 07:01:52 PM 1228 Views
I know people are reluctant to lynch "nice" vampires beetnemesis - 02/01/2014 02:44:47 PM 1352 Views
On the other hand... Fanatic-Templar - 02/01/2014 06:15:48 PM 1293 Views
...you mean the one Night Kill victim we've had? beetnemesis - 02/01/2014 06:56:38 PM 1232 Views
So soap trumps night kill? Fanatic-Templar - 04/01/2014 07:08:11 AM 1206 Views
Pretty sure I presented three reasons why I felt we should lynch Yuna beetnemesis - 04/01/2014 07:47:39 AM 1379 Views
Re: Pretty sure I presented three reasons why I felt we should lynch Yuna Fanatic-Templar - 04/01/2014 06:58:57 PM 1392 Views
Short and sweet rebuttals beetnemesis - 04/01/2014 07:22:41 PM 1394 Views
My initial reaction... ? - 04/01/2014 10:47:11 PM 1261 Views
I dunno. If he was going to be modkilled, what would be the point of NK'ing him? beetnemesis - 05/01/2014 02:35:42 PM 1144 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals Fanatic-Templar - 05/01/2014 03:37:18 AM 1297 Views
I say that a player likely attacking other players is a higher risk beetnemesis - 05/01/2014 02:37:40 PM 1195 Views
Not by your definition of "attacking", no. Fanatic-Templar - 05/01/2014 06:08:49 PM 1294 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals ranagrande - 06/01/2014 05:24:43 AM 1378 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals Fanatic-Templar - 06/01/2014 05:51:20 AM 1315 Views
True, but there is no indication of a different group, is there? *NM* Artsapat - 04/01/2014 07:37:15 PM 817 Views
Hmm. Apparentely my last post was not posted Artsapat - 24/12/2013 07:58:55 AM 1304 Views
Fanatic-Templar - Not Guilty *NM* Bergioyn - 25/12/2013 10:18:51 AM 858 Views
Re: Hmm. Apparentely my last post was not posted Taiga - 25/12/2013 11:11:17 AM 1208 Views
Haha the "hypo" stands for "hypothetical." You're supposed to pretend like you did. *NM* beetnemesis - 25/12/2013 02:15:02 PM 804 Views
At first I was like "Waah?", but then I noticed this... Artsapat - 23/12/2013 09:08:16 PM 1371 Views
Hypocop Table beetnemesis - 25/12/2013 02:21:42 PM 1240 Views
Praziquantel - Not Guilty *NM* ranagrande - 27/12/2013 04:58:14 AM 743 Views
FT not guilty *NM* ? - 27/12/2013 05:06:39 PM 892 Views
Re: Hypocop Table Taiga - 28/12/2013 04:12:15 PM 1377 Views
Bergioyn - Not Guilty Praziquantel - 02/01/2014 04:23:24 PM 1257 Views
Re: Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 4 - A New Soap Sacrilicious Toast - 30/12/2013 10:14:14 AM 1359 Views
Happy New Year! Isaac - 02/01/2014 02:37:51 PM 1270 Views
You too, I'll do my best. *NM* Artsapat - 04/01/2014 07:35:03 PM 760 Views
Alright so hopefully this will get us to start talking/thinking again Praziquantel - 02/01/2014 09:45:23 PM 1586 Views
I'm guessing it's because of the RPS system beetnemesis - 03/01/2014 03:01:06 AM 1284 Views
What is your opinion of my vote towards Yuna? beetnemesis - 03/01/2014 03:04:16 AM 1244 Views
Interesting speculation, but it's not in line with the circumstances of the death scene Artsapat - 04/01/2014 08:50:08 PM 1330 Views
Re: Interesting speculation, but it's not in line with the circumstances of the death scene Taiga - 06/01/2014 12:12:40 PM 1318 Views
Yuna? Do you have any response to my accusation? *NM* beetnemesis - 07/01/2014 12:08:20 AM 743 Views
So, the promised roleclaim (most of it, at least). Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 03:48:16 AM 1359 Views
OK, so NOW do you concede that Stephen's NK was from being a vampire? beetnemesis - 07/01/2014 04:29:41 AM 1260 Views
? Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 07:38:55 AM 1200 Views
Hell, even if this weren't my own information... Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 08:35:33 AM 1341 Views
And furthermore... Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 08:41:11 AM 1295 Views
He had to get a NK from SOMEWHERE. And if you're dedicated to eliminating NKs... beetnemesis - 07/01/2014 08:54:38 PM 1384 Views
No. You do know what an individual role is, don't you? Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 10:06:16 PM 1320 Views
...what? beetnemesis - 07/01/2014 11:35:33 PM 1248 Views
This is a flawed argument in two entirely separate and divergent ways. Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 01:49:27 AM 1239 Views
Any "role" with a Night Kill would be incongruous beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 05:19:34 AM 1332 Views
Re: Any "role" with a Night Kill would be incongruous Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 07:25:04 AM 1412 Views
I'm just going off of what you're telling us about the Watch beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 02:17:25 PM 1299 Views
Re: I'm just going off of what you're telling us about the Watch Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 06:10:43 PM 1348 Views
The truth is we know nothing about the undead other than one of them had a NK beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 08:41:32 PM 1263 Views
How do you know we even have an undead faction? Bergioyn - 08/01/2014 04:28:16 PM 1120 Views
I don't, true. I know that we have more than one undead, and Stephen's NK was not a Watch ability beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 04:46:42 PM 1200 Views
OK, this makes sense. Artsapat - 07/01/2014 10:07:44 AM 1351 Views
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that. Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 08:26:15 PM 1219 Views
Oh. Euhm. Wow Artsapat - 08/01/2014 06:39:57 AM 1342 Views
Yeah, that was actually the first thing I asked about during the Night. Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 07:33:10 AM 1287 Views
Were you definitely blocked by the Watch? beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 02:45:17 PM 1393 Views
Re: Oh. Euhm. Wow Praziquantel - 08/01/2014 05:43:02 PM 1535 Views
Well I guess this confirms that we have a definitive scum faction. ? - 07/01/2014 10:06:14 PM 1237 Views
Good work, F-T Praziquantel - 08/01/2014 05:40:41 PM 1602 Views
Re: Good work, F-T Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 06:09:56 PM 1366 Views
So... you want to lynch me, because I want to lynch scum? beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 08:50:26 PM 1239 Views
This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's Artsapat - 09/01/2014 03:25:02 PM 1290 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's Fanatic-Templar - 09/01/2014 05:33:39 PM 1305 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's Artsapat - 09/01/2014 06:42:44 PM 1408 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's Praziquantel - 10/01/2014 04:38:55 AM 1478 Views
Whaaaaaat. We're not nation-building, here. beetnemesis - 10/01/2014 06:04:16 AM 1362 Views
And why shouldn't they? Praziquantel - 10/01/2014 04:25:21 AM 1540 Views
What if Stephen wasn't the target? Artsapat - 09/01/2014 03:11:38 PM 1297 Views
VNTL/modkill notes - policy Isaac - 11/01/2014 04:29:34 AM 1357 Views
I'll be looking forward to Sunday then. ranagrande - 11/01/2014 05:21:57 AM 1193 Views
Sounds good to me too. Fanatic-Templar - 11/01/2014 05:41:38 AM 1678 Views
Re: Sounds good to me too. Bergioyn - 11/01/2014 10:14:16 AM 1193 Views
Hooray, I can kill people just by wishing! *NM* beetnemesis - 12/01/2014 03:03:49 AM 886 Views
I am certain you will not use that power for evil... *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 12/01/2014 05:09:11 AM 927 Views
RBIRL Taiga - 11/01/2014 07:32:49 AM 1391 Views
Re: VNTL/modkill notes - policy Sacrilicious Toast - 11/01/2014 10:19:41 AM 1359 Views
Re: VNTL/modkill notes - policy Isaac - 11/01/2014 10:25:16 AM 1284 Views
Modkill - Yunalesca Isaac - 12/01/2014 09:04:40 PM 1685 Views
So... Fanatic-Templar - 13/01/2014 12:57:58 AM 1742 Views
Re: So... Taiga - 13/01/2014 07:54:26 AM 1389 Views
EBWOP. Taiga - 13/01/2014 08:00:13 AM 1283 Views
Complicating matters, there are a ton of dwarves that have been born in the city *NM* beetnemesis - 13/01/2014 03:24:06 PM 779 Views
Dwarves and possibly a vampire. ? - 13/01/2014 07:48:09 PM 1304 Views
They're identifiably foreigners. Fanatic-Templar - 13/01/2014 10:05:08 PM 1727 Views
If it helps your analysis any more, I'm satisfied that vampires aren't a threat beetnemesis - 14/01/2014 06:28:38 PM 1667 Views
Not strictly true Artsapat - 14/01/2014 08:55:57 AM 1344 Views
Re: Not strictly true Artsapat - 14/01/2014 09:07:41 AM 1411 Views
I trust Isaac enough to think it was not a mistake. ? - 15/01/2014 02:44:40 AM 1175 Views
This is a reminder that someone stole my necklace and I'm still annoyed about that *NM* beetnemesis - 14/01/2014 06:30:39 PM 963 Views
I'm still annoyed at having my wizard hat stolen too. ranagrande - 15/01/2014 06:43:41 AM 1261 Views
Agreed, there are enough things left open. Artsapat - 15/01/2014 03:24:29 PM 1348 Views
This reminds me: did anybody else get anything stolen? Artsapat - 15/01/2014 03:25:21 PM 1414 Views
Re: This reminds me: did anybody else get anything stolen? Sacrilicious Toast - 15/01/2014 07:59:27 PM 1278 Views
I agree, those are the most likely candidates. beetnemesis - 16/01/2014 02:47:05 PM 1706 Views
Problem with that is that the known characters in this game are all recurrent. Artsapat - 16/01/2014 09:05:38 PM 1384 Views
WIZARD. They're called WIZARDS. GOD *NM* beetnemesis - 17/01/2014 01:59:42 PM 988 Views
Witches also exist in Discworld. *NM* Bergioyn - 17/01/2014 02:10:24 PM 761 Views
...I suppose. Still, the thought of calling a DW witch a "magician" makes my skin crawl. *NM* beetnemesis - 17/01/2014 05:15:09 PM 1022 Views
Euhm. Yeah. Right. Sorry. Been a while since I read DW... *NM* Artsapat - 19/01/2014 08:37:11 PM 719 Views
Another point of order- no idea who left me feeling drained last night beetnemesis - 16/01/2014 03:04:54 PM 1635 Views
Re: Another point of order- no idea who left me feeling drained last night Sacrilicious Toast - 18/01/2014 03:36:41 PM 1310 Views
Vampire was my interpretation, but the wording was just that I woke up feeling drained beetnemesis - 19/01/2014 06:33:10 PM 1653 Views
Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. Artsapat - 19/01/2014 09:12:56 PM 1258 Views
I really see no reason to believe everybody else loses if the Watch wins. Fanatic-Templar - 19/01/2014 10:07:52 PM 1593 Views
Re: Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. ? - 20/01/2014 02:03:11 PM 1400 Views
I never fully got over the cancelation of Buffy and Angel *NM* beetnemesis - 20/01/2014 04:00:03 PM 1006 Views
Re: Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. ranagrande - 20/01/2014 10:51:15 PM 1320 Views
So... how are things with everybody? Doin good? *NM* beetnemesis - 23/01/2014 03:18:07 PM 1024 Views
Day Deadline Monday Night, the 27th *NM* Isaac - 23/01/2014 03:38:20 PM 912 Views
Day Deadline Monday Night, the 27th *NM* Isaac - 23/01/2014 03:44:34 PM 904 Views
Vote: Praziquantel *NM* ? - 23/01/2014 07:14:04 PM 745 Views
I'm not disagreeing, but what's your reasoning? *NM* beetnemesis - 24/01/2014 03:39:51 PM 923 Views
What's been discussed already. ? - 24/01/2014 11:29:45 PM 1266 Views
Well, you know my reasoning Artsapat - 24/01/2014 10:11:56 PM 1152 Views
And this is what I was waiting for. Fanatic-Templar - 24/01/2014 10:48:16 PM 1696 Views
Vote: Praziquantel ranagrande - 25/01/2014 09:30:54 PM 1225 Views
And here you are again. Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2014 06:52:21 AM 1597 Views
This is enought for me. Vote:ranagrande *NM* Bergioyn - 26/01/2014 11:38:42 AM 756 Views
I am a little surprised by your strong defense of Praz ? - 26/01/2014 07:18:45 PM 1300 Views
Re: I am a little surprised by your strong defense of Praz Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2014 10:30:31 PM 1650 Views
Then maybe I misinterpreted this: ? - 26/01/2014 11:37:08 PM 1282 Views
Wait let me try that again... ? - 26/01/2014 11:38:48 PM 1266 Views
Re: Then maybe I misinterpreted this: Fanatic-Templar - 27/01/2014 02:49:59 AM 1546 Views
Okay fair enough. Unvote. *NM* ? - 27/01/2014 03:18:34 AM 818 Views
Hm, I think it might be too late to unvote beetnemesis - 27/01/2014 04:09:24 AM 1602 Views
He's right, I didn't check the time stamps Isaac - 27/01/2014 07:46:46 PM 1688 Views
For what it's worth I completely agree that the lynch is legitimate. Fanatic-Templar - 27/01/2014 09:44:10 PM 1806 Views
For sure. I didn't even check the timing. *NM* ? - 27/01/2014 11:49:32 PM 811 Views
Also something of an issue because his death specifically grants a morale bonus to his lynchers *NM* Isaac - 28/01/2014 12:41:19 AM 913 Views
Can we get an extension? Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2014 06:56:08 AM 1642 Views
Seconded. *NM* Bergioyn - 26/01/2014 11:39:05 AM 753 Views
granted - I'll leave it a bit non-specific for now *NM* Isaac - 26/01/2014 04:09:00 PM 897 Views
Thank you *NM* ? - 26/01/2014 07:05:45 PM 761 Views
VNTL is 4 at the moment Isaac - 26/01/2014 07:21:53 PM 1766 Views
Vote record Update 1 Isaac - 26/01/2014 07:35:43 PM 1682 Views
FT has also voted for ranagrande. *NM* Bergioyn - 26/01/2014 08:00:37 PM 811 Views
Thanks *NM* Isaac - 26/01/2014 08:02:13 PM 968 Views
I demand blood! Also he's coming off a bit odd. Vote: Praziquantel *NM* beetnemesis - 27/01/2014 02:37:38 AM 939 Views
Praziquantel has been lynched Isaac - 27/01/2014 07:49:45 PM 1655 Views
Twilight has begun Isaac - 28/01/2014 01:07:26 AM 1798 Views
Re: Twilight has begun Fanatic-Templar - 28/01/2014 02:06:39 AM 1743 Views
Ha, cool! In a more active board, it might have been better, but still, neat idea *NM* beetnemesis - 28/01/2014 03:39:41 AM 993 Views
So, is it taking long because the Watch protected us SO WELL that you're writing an epic message? *NM* beetnemesis - 04/02/2014 06:33:39 PM 1043 Views
The nights have grown as long as the days I think Isaac - 05/02/2014 12:57:11 PM 2132 Views
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