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Whaaaaaat. We're not nation-building, here. beetnemesis Send a noteboard - 10/01/2014 06:04:16 AM

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My victory condition, like FT's, doesn't require me to eliminate anyone. I think a lack of deaths sounds like a state of Peace, which ultimately is what town wants to achieve against scum.

And since you find it "hard to believe" that I can win when there are no deaths at night, the more interesting question is why you can't win without killing at night.



In any vanilla game of Mafia, the aim is simple: the town is aiming to exterminate the Mafia. The Mafia is aiming to kill enough of the town so that they hold a majority vote. All Mafia games build off of this, in some way- vigilantes give the town a night kill. Doctors prevent a night kill. The cult gives an alternate win condition that simultaneously competes with the Mafia. The jester tries to get himself killed, and so on.

I'm not exactly sure why this is a mind-blowing concept for you, but I'll spell it out: I win when all threats to Ankh-Morpork have been eliminated.

I'm inferring that this means I'm against the Hippos, although the wording is vague enough that it could include others as well (for example, a serial killer or a cult).

I hope this also explains why I want to nail down the vampire question once and for all.

I amuse myself.
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Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 4 - A New Soap Isaac - 23/12/2013 02:05:56 PM 2160 Views
I was kind of hoping we had a Watch faction that would take out a Hippo tonight. beetnemesis - 23/12/2013 03:22:57 PM 1467 Views
I targeted a lot of people and don't know against whom I was successful or not. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 23/12/2013 11:47:29 PM 953 Views
Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm *NM* beetnemesis - 24/12/2013 07:46:16 AM 889 Views
"a lot of people" and "don't know" the results Artsapat - 24/12/2013 08:03:12 AM 1429 Views
You oughtn't be so surprised. Fanatic-Templar - 24/12/2013 07:22:47 PM 1394 Views
Seems pretty consistent to me Praziquantel - 24/12/2013 07:40:33 PM 1545 Views
...it does? His last hypocop was "Did nothing so I could save Morale" beetnemesis - 24/12/2013 09:51:02 PM 1312 Views
Re: ...it does? His last hypocop was "Did nothing so I could save Morale" Praziquantel - 24/12/2013 10:15:41 PM 1334 Views
Re: Seems pretty consistent to me Fanatic-Templar - 25/12/2013 04:09:14 AM 1399 Views
I'd like to know if you targetted me, as well. beetnemesis - 25/12/2013 02:17:25 PM 1508 Views
Did something happen to you? Fanatic-Templar - 27/12/2013 03:45:20 AM 1408 Views
I believe so beetnemesis - 28/12/2013 12:58:24 AM 1427 Views
Well? Did you target me? I will make a statement immediately upon your answer. beetnemesis - 29/12/2013 03:52:17 AM 1264 Views
Why would I answer? Fanatic-Templar - 29/12/2013 03:59:24 AM 1317 Views
Fine, then. Vote: Yunalesca beetnemesis - 30/12/2013 03:59:03 PM 1361 Views
Hmm ? - 01/01/2014 07:01:52 PM 1315 Views
I know people are reluctant to lynch "nice" vampires beetnemesis - 02/01/2014 02:44:47 PM 1454 Views
On the other hand... Fanatic-Templar - 02/01/2014 06:15:48 PM 1397 Views
...you mean the one Night Kill victim we've had? beetnemesis - 02/01/2014 06:56:38 PM 1335 Views
So soap trumps night kill? Fanatic-Templar - 04/01/2014 07:08:11 AM 1315 Views
Pretty sure I presented three reasons why I felt we should lynch Yuna beetnemesis - 04/01/2014 07:47:39 AM 1480 Views
Re: Pretty sure I presented three reasons why I felt we should lynch Yuna Fanatic-Templar - 04/01/2014 06:58:57 PM 1495 Views
Short and sweet rebuttals beetnemesis - 04/01/2014 07:22:41 PM 1507 Views
My initial reaction... ? - 04/01/2014 10:47:11 PM 1349 Views
I dunno. If he was going to be modkilled, what would be the point of NK'ing him? beetnemesis - 05/01/2014 02:35:42 PM 1247 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals Fanatic-Templar - 05/01/2014 03:37:18 AM 1388 Views
I say that a player likely attacking other players is a higher risk beetnemesis - 05/01/2014 02:37:40 PM 1303 Views
Not by your definition of "attacking", no. Fanatic-Templar - 05/01/2014 06:08:49 PM 1398 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals ranagrande - 06/01/2014 05:24:43 AM 1484 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals Fanatic-Templar - 06/01/2014 05:51:20 AM 1427 Views
True, but there is no indication of a different group, is there? *NM* Artsapat - 04/01/2014 07:37:15 PM 869 Views
Hmm. Apparentely my last post was not posted Artsapat - 24/12/2013 07:58:55 AM 1399 Views
Fanatic-Templar - Not Guilty *NM* Bergioyn - 25/12/2013 10:18:51 AM 908 Views
Re: Hmm. Apparentely my last post was not posted Taiga - 25/12/2013 11:11:17 AM 1320 Views
Haha the "hypo" stands for "hypothetical." You're supposed to pretend like you did. *NM* beetnemesis - 25/12/2013 02:15:02 PM 846 Views
At first I was like "Waah?", but then I noticed this... Artsapat - 23/12/2013 09:08:16 PM 1479 Views
Hypocop Table beetnemesis - 25/12/2013 02:21:42 PM 1342 Views
Praziquantel - Not Guilty *NM* ranagrande - 27/12/2013 04:58:14 AM 799 Views
FT not guilty *NM* ? - 27/12/2013 05:06:39 PM 935 Views
Re: Hypocop Table Taiga - 28/12/2013 04:12:15 PM 1489 Views
Bergioyn - Not Guilty Praziquantel - 02/01/2014 04:23:24 PM 1346 Views
Re: Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 4 - A New Soap Sacrilicious Toast - 30/12/2013 10:14:14 AM 1460 Views
Happy New Year! Isaac - 02/01/2014 02:37:51 PM 1377 Views
You too, I'll do my best. *NM* Artsapat - 04/01/2014 07:35:03 PM 808 Views
Alright so hopefully this will get us to start talking/thinking again Praziquantel - 02/01/2014 09:45:23 PM 1698 Views
I'm guessing it's because of the RPS system beetnemesis - 03/01/2014 03:01:06 AM 1374 Views
What is your opinion of my vote towards Yuna? beetnemesis - 03/01/2014 03:04:16 AM 1362 Views
Interesting speculation, but it's not in line with the circumstances of the death scene Artsapat - 04/01/2014 08:50:08 PM 1432 Views
Re: Interesting speculation, but it's not in line with the circumstances of the death scene Taiga - 06/01/2014 12:12:40 PM 1429 Views
Yuna? Do you have any response to my accusation? *NM* beetnemesis - 07/01/2014 12:08:20 AM 783 Views
So, the promised roleclaim (most of it, at least). Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 03:48:16 AM 1475 Views
OK, so NOW do you concede that Stephen's NK was from being a vampire? beetnemesis - 07/01/2014 04:29:41 AM 1361 Views
? Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 07:38:55 AM 1291 Views
Hell, even if this weren't my own information... Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 08:35:33 AM 1432 Views
And furthermore... Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 08:41:11 AM 1394 Views
He had to get a NK from SOMEWHERE. And if you're dedicated to eliminating NKs... beetnemesis - 07/01/2014 08:54:38 PM 1482 Views
No. You do know what an individual role is, don't you? Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 10:06:16 PM 1437 Views
...what? beetnemesis - 07/01/2014 11:35:33 PM 1339 Views
This is a flawed argument in two entirely separate and divergent ways. Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 01:49:27 AM 1322 Views
Any "role" with a Night Kill would be incongruous beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 05:19:34 AM 1438 Views
Re: Any "role" with a Night Kill would be incongruous Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 07:25:04 AM 1519 Views
I'm just going off of what you're telling us about the Watch beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 02:17:25 PM 1407 Views
Re: I'm just going off of what you're telling us about the Watch Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 06:10:43 PM 1454 Views
The truth is we know nothing about the undead other than one of them had a NK beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 08:41:32 PM 1362 Views
How do you know we even have an undead faction? Bergioyn - 08/01/2014 04:28:16 PM 1228 Views
I don't, true. I know that we have more than one undead, and Stephen's NK was not a Watch ability beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 04:46:42 PM 1308 Views
OK, this makes sense. Artsapat - 07/01/2014 10:07:44 AM 1457 Views
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that. Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 08:26:15 PM 1335 Views
Oh. Euhm. Wow Artsapat - 08/01/2014 06:39:57 AM 1444 Views
Yeah, that was actually the first thing I asked about during the Night. Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 07:33:10 AM 1378 Views
Were you definitely blocked by the Watch? beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 02:45:17 PM 1497 Views
Re: Oh. Euhm. Wow Praziquantel - 08/01/2014 05:43:02 PM 1636 Views
Well I guess this confirms that we have a definitive scum faction. ? - 07/01/2014 10:06:14 PM 1344 Views
Good work, F-T Praziquantel - 08/01/2014 05:40:41 PM 1704 Views
Re: Good work, F-T Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 06:09:56 PM 1478 Views
So... you want to lynch me, because I want to lynch scum? beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 08:50:26 PM 1340 Views
This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's Artsapat - 09/01/2014 03:25:02 PM 1401 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's Fanatic-Templar - 09/01/2014 05:33:39 PM 1413 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's Artsapat - 09/01/2014 06:42:44 PM 1511 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's Praziquantel - 10/01/2014 04:38:55 AM 1594 Views
Whaaaaaat. We're not nation-building, here. beetnemesis - 10/01/2014 06:04:16 AM 1450 Views
And why shouldn't they? Praziquantel - 10/01/2014 04:25:21 AM 1654 Views
What if Stephen wasn't the target? Artsapat - 09/01/2014 03:11:38 PM 1404 Views
VNTL/modkill notes - policy Isaac - 11/01/2014 04:29:34 AM 1465 Views
I'll be looking forward to Sunday then. ranagrande - 11/01/2014 05:21:57 AM 1300 Views
Sounds good to me too. Fanatic-Templar - 11/01/2014 05:41:38 AM 1769 Views
Re: Sounds good to me too. Bergioyn - 11/01/2014 10:14:16 AM 1299 Views
Hooray, I can kill people just by wishing! *NM* beetnemesis - 12/01/2014 03:03:49 AM 925 Views
I am certain you will not use that power for evil... *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 12/01/2014 05:09:11 AM 987 Views
RBIRL Taiga - 11/01/2014 07:32:49 AM 1496 Views
Re: VNTL/modkill notes - policy Sacrilicious Toast - 11/01/2014 10:19:41 AM 1468 Views
Re: VNTL/modkill notes - policy Isaac - 11/01/2014 10:25:16 AM 1392 Views
Modkill - Yunalesca Isaac - 12/01/2014 09:04:40 PM 1787 Views
So... Fanatic-Templar - 13/01/2014 12:57:58 AM 1850 Views
Re: So... Taiga - 13/01/2014 07:54:26 AM 1486 Views
EBWOP. Taiga - 13/01/2014 08:00:13 AM 1388 Views
Complicating matters, there are a ton of dwarves that have been born in the city *NM* beetnemesis - 13/01/2014 03:24:06 PM 826 Views
Dwarves and possibly a vampire. ? - 13/01/2014 07:48:09 PM 1392 Views
They're identifiably foreigners. Fanatic-Templar - 13/01/2014 10:05:08 PM 1852 Views
If it helps your analysis any more, I'm satisfied that vampires aren't a threat beetnemesis - 14/01/2014 06:28:38 PM 1784 Views
Not strictly true Artsapat - 14/01/2014 08:55:57 AM 1441 Views
Re: Not strictly true Artsapat - 14/01/2014 09:07:41 AM 1503 Views
I trust Isaac enough to think it was not a mistake. ? - 15/01/2014 02:44:40 AM 1263 Views
This is a reminder that someone stole my necklace and I'm still annoyed about that *NM* beetnemesis - 14/01/2014 06:30:39 PM 1018 Views
I'm still annoyed at having my wizard hat stolen too. ranagrande - 15/01/2014 06:43:41 AM 1362 Views
Agreed, there are enough things left open. Artsapat - 15/01/2014 03:24:29 PM 1460 Views
This reminds me: did anybody else get anything stolen? Artsapat - 15/01/2014 03:25:21 PM 1514 Views
Re: This reminds me: did anybody else get anything stolen? Sacrilicious Toast - 15/01/2014 07:59:27 PM 1380 Views
I agree, those are the most likely candidates. beetnemesis - 16/01/2014 02:47:05 PM 1798 Views
Problem with that is that the known characters in this game are all recurrent. Artsapat - 16/01/2014 09:05:38 PM 1495 Views
WIZARD. They're called WIZARDS. GOD *NM* beetnemesis - 17/01/2014 01:59:42 PM 1030 Views
Witches also exist in Discworld. *NM* Bergioyn - 17/01/2014 02:10:24 PM 807 Views
...I suppose. Still, the thought of calling a DW witch a "magician" makes my skin crawl. *NM* beetnemesis - 17/01/2014 05:15:09 PM 1074 Views
Euhm. Yeah. Right. Sorry. Been a while since I read DW... *NM* Artsapat - 19/01/2014 08:37:11 PM 772 Views
Another point of order- no idea who left me feeling drained last night beetnemesis - 16/01/2014 03:04:54 PM 1730 Views
Re: Another point of order- no idea who left me feeling drained last night Sacrilicious Toast - 18/01/2014 03:36:41 PM 1421 Views
Vampire was my interpretation, but the wording was just that I woke up feeling drained beetnemesis - 19/01/2014 06:33:10 PM 1741 Views
Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. Artsapat - 19/01/2014 09:12:56 PM 1374 Views
I really see no reason to believe everybody else loses if the Watch wins. Fanatic-Templar - 19/01/2014 10:07:52 PM 1696 Views
Re: Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. ? - 20/01/2014 02:03:11 PM 1494 Views
I never fully got over the cancelation of Buffy and Angel *NM* beetnemesis - 20/01/2014 04:00:03 PM 1056 Views
Re: Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. ranagrande - 20/01/2014 10:51:15 PM 1419 Views
So... how are things with everybody? Doin good? *NM* beetnemesis - 23/01/2014 03:18:07 PM 1071 Views
Day Deadline Monday Night, the 27th *NM* Isaac - 23/01/2014 03:38:20 PM 956 Views
Day Deadline Monday Night, the 27th *NM* Isaac - 23/01/2014 03:44:34 PM 953 Views
Vote: Praziquantel *NM* ? - 23/01/2014 07:14:04 PM 792 Views
I'm not disagreeing, but what's your reasoning? *NM* beetnemesis - 24/01/2014 03:39:51 PM 970 Views
What's been discussed already. ? - 24/01/2014 11:29:45 PM 1385 Views
Well, you know my reasoning Artsapat - 24/01/2014 10:11:56 PM 1253 Views
And this is what I was waiting for. Fanatic-Templar - 24/01/2014 10:48:16 PM 1786 Views
Vote: Praziquantel ranagrande - 25/01/2014 09:30:54 PM 1337 Views
And here you are again. Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2014 06:52:21 AM 1687 Views
This is enought for me. Vote:ranagrande *NM* Bergioyn - 26/01/2014 11:38:42 AM 813 Views
I am a little surprised by your strong defense of Praz ? - 26/01/2014 07:18:45 PM 1405 Views
Re: I am a little surprised by your strong defense of Praz Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2014 10:30:31 PM 1759 Views
Then maybe I misinterpreted this: ? - 26/01/2014 11:37:08 PM 1371 Views
Wait let me try that again... ? - 26/01/2014 11:38:48 PM 1359 Views
Re: Then maybe I misinterpreted this: Fanatic-Templar - 27/01/2014 02:49:59 AM 1663 Views
Okay fair enough. Unvote. *NM* ? - 27/01/2014 03:18:34 AM 862 Views
Hm, I think it might be too late to unvote beetnemesis - 27/01/2014 04:09:24 AM 1699 Views
He's right, I didn't check the time stamps Isaac - 27/01/2014 07:46:46 PM 1778 Views
For what it's worth I completely agree that the lynch is legitimate. Fanatic-Templar - 27/01/2014 09:44:10 PM 1900 Views
For sure. I didn't even check the timing. *NM* ? - 27/01/2014 11:49:32 PM 860 Views
Also something of an issue because his death specifically grants a morale bonus to his lynchers *NM* Isaac - 28/01/2014 12:41:19 AM 960 Views
Can we get an extension? Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2014 06:56:08 AM 1747 Views
Seconded. *NM* Bergioyn - 26/01/2014 11:39:05 AM 798 Views
granted - I'll leave it a bit non-specific for now *NM* Isaac - 26/01/2014 04:09:00 PM 939 Views
Thank you *NM* ? - 26/01/2014 07:05:45 PM 803 Views
VNTL is 4 at the moment Isaac - 26/01/2014 07:21:53 PM 1861 Views
Vote record Update 1 Isaac - 26/01/2014 07:35:43 PM 1789 Views
FT has also voted for ranagrande. *NM* Bergioyn - 26/01/2014 08:00:37 PM 859 Views
Thanks *NM* Isaac - 26/01/2014 08:02:13 PM 1022 Views
I demand blood! Also he's coming off a bit odd. Vote: Praziquantel *NM* beetnemesis - 27/01/2014 02:37:38 AM 984 Views
Praziquantel has been lynched Isaac - 27/01/2014 07:49:45 PM 1763 Views
Twilight has begun Isaac - 28/01/2014 01:07:26 AM 1905 Views
Re: Twilight has begun Fanatic-Templar - 28/01/2014 02:06:39 AM 1846 Views
Ha, cool! In a more active board, it might have been better, but still, neat idea *NM* beetnemesis - 28/01/2014 03:39:41 AM 1040 Views
So, is it taking long because the Watch protected us SO WELL that you're writing an epic message? *NM* beetnemesis - 04/02/2014 06:33:39 PM 1096 Views
The nights have grown as long as the days I think Isaac - 05/02/2014 12:57:11 PM 2229 Views
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