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Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's Praziquantel Send a noteboard - 10/01/2014 04:38:55 AM

View original postIf there is a scum faction, and not just factions, the non-scum will only win when the threat has been eliminated, isn't it? No NK for a few nights still means that the scum is there, so the town can't win. That means that the scum has to be eliminated, for anyone other than the Watch to win. In that I agree with beet.

My victory condition, like FT's, doesn't require me to eliminate anyone. I think a lack of deaths sounds like a state of Peace, which ultimately is what town wants to achieve against scum.
View original postSo I come back to this, Praz: what is your alignment? Your arguments don't hold up unless you're part of the Watch (which is a direct lie from your earlier statement) or your victory conditions are EXACTLY the same as those of the Watch. And that, I find hard to believe.

Like I've said in my other post, I don't see why my victory conditions have to be incompatible with FT's, just because I'm not in the Watch. Supporting no night kills seems like a no-brainer. Is there something in this game mechanic that makes you think we need to kill people at night to win? That sounds like a very mafia-esque victory mechanic to me.

And since you find it "hard to believe" that I can win when there are no deaths at night, the more interesting question is why you can't win without killing at night.

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Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 4 - A New Soap Isaac - 23/12/2013 02:05:56 PM 2233 Views
I was kind of hoping we had a Watch faction that would take out a Hippo tonight. beetnemesis - 23/12/2013 03:22:57 PM 1543 Views
I targeted a lot of people and don't know against whom I was successful or not. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 23/12/2013 11:47:29 PM 1006 Views
Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm *NM* beetnemesis - 24/12/2013 07:46:16 AM 949 Views
"a lot of people" and "don't know" the results Artsapat - 24/12/2013 08:03:12 AM 1515 Views
You oughtn't be so surprised. Fanatic-Templar - 24/12/2013 07:22:47 PM 1472 Views
Seems pretty consistent to me Praziquantel - 24/12/2013 07:40:33 PM 1621 Views
...it does? His last hypocop was "Did nothing so I could save Morale" beetnemesis - 24/12/2013 09:51:02 PM 1382 Views
Re: ...it does? His last hypocop was "Did nothing so I could save Morale" Praziquantel - 24/12/2013 10:15:41 PM 1407 Views
Re: Seems pretty consistent to me Fanatic-Templar - 25/12/2013 04:09:14 AM 1476 Views
I'd like to know if you targetted me, as well. beetnemesis - 25/12/2013 02:17:25 PM 1586 Views
Did something happen to you? Fanatic-Templar - 27/12/2013 03:45:20 AM 1486 Views
I believe so beetnemesis - 28/12/2013 12:58:24 AM 1496 Views
Well? Did you target me? I will make a statement immediately upon your answer. beetnemesis - 29/12/2013 03:52:17 AM 1341 Views
Why would I answer? Fanatic-Templar - 29/12/2013 03:59:24 AM 1383 Views
Fine, then. Vote: Yunalesca beetnemesis - 30/12/2013 03:59:03 PM 1444 Views
Hmm ? - 01/01/2014 07:01:52 PM 1411 Views
I know people are reluctant to lynch "nice" vampires beetnemesis - 02/01/2014 02:44:47 PM 1530 Views
On the other hand... Fanatic-Templar - 02/01/2014 06:15:48 PM 1467 Views
...you mean the one Night Kill victim we've had? beetnemesis - 02/01/2014 06:56:38 PM 1416 Views
So soap trumps night kill? Fanatic-Templar - 04/01/2014 07:08:11 AM 1387 Views
Pretty sure I presented three reasons why I felt we should lynch Yuna beetnemesis - 04/01/2014 07:47:39 AM 1546 Views
Re: Pretty sure I presented three reasons why I felt we should lynch Yuna Fanatic-Templar - 04/01/2014 06:58:57 PM 1625 Views
Short and sweet rebuttals beetnemesis - 04/01/2014 07:22:41 PM 1575 Views
My initial reaction... ? - 04/01/2014 10:47:11 PM 1415 Views
I dunno. If he was going to be modkilled, what would be the point of NK'ing him? beetnemesis - 05/01/2014 02:35:42 PM 1321 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals Fanatic-Templar - 05/01/2014 03:37:18 AM 1476 Views
I say that a player likely attacking other players is a higher risk beetnemesis - 05/01/2014 02:37:40 PM 1372 Views
Not by your definition of "attacking", no. Fanatic-Templar - 05/01/2014 06:08:49 PM 1476 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals ranagrande - 06/01/2014 05:24:43 AM 1557 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals Fanatic-Templar - 06/01/2014 05:51:20 AM 1504 Views
True, but there is no indication of a different group, is there? *NM* Artsapat - 04/01/2014 07:37:15 PM 913 Views
Hmm. Apparentely my last post was not posted Artsapat - 24/12/2013 07:58:55 AM 1480 Views
Fanatic-Templar - Not Guilty *NM* Bergioyn - 25/12/2013 10:18:51 AM 953 Views
Re: Hmm. Apparentely my last post was not posted Taiga - 25/12/2013 11:11:17 AM 1380 Views
Haha the "hypo" stands for "hypothetical." You're supposed to pretend like you did. *NM* beetnemesis - 25/12/2013 02:15:02 PM 905 Views
At first I was like "Waah?", but then I noticed this... Artsapat - 23/12/2013 09:08:16 PM 1544 Views
Hypocop Table beetnemesis - 25/12/2013 02:21:42 PM 1409 Views
Praziquantel - Not Guilty *NM* ranagrande - 27/12/2013 04:58:14 AM 837 Views
FT not guilty *NM* ? - 27/12/2013 05:06:39 PM 992 Views
Re: Hypocop Table Taiga - 28/12/2013 04:12:15 PM 1577 Views
Bergioyn - Not Guilty Praziquantel - 02/01/2014 04:23:24 PM 1419 Views
Re: Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 4 - A New Soap Sacrilicious Toast - 30/12/2013 10:14:14 AM 1529 Views
Happy New Year! Isaac - 02/01/2014 02:37:51 PM 1445 Views
You too, I'll do my best. *NM* Artsapat - 04/01/2014 07:35:03 PM 847 Views
Alright so hopefully this will get us to start talking/thinking again Praziquantel - 02/01/2014 09:45:23 PM 1770 Views
I'm guessing it's because of the RPS system beetnemesis - 03/01/2014 03:01:06 AM 1444 Views
What is your opinion of my vote towards Yuna? beetnemesis - 03/01/2014 03:04:16 AM 1433 Views
Interesting speculation, but it's not in line with the circumstances of the death scene Artsapat - 04/01/2014 08:50:08 PM 1501 Views
Re: Interesting speculation, but it's not in line with the circumstances of the death scene Taiga - 06/01/2014 12:12:40 PM 1504 Views
Yuna? Do you have any response to my accusation? *NM* beetnemesis - 07/01/2014 12:08:20 AM 819 Views
So, the promised roleclaim (most of it, at least). Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 03:48:16 AM 1542 Views
OK, so NOW do you concede that Stephen's NK was from being a vampire? beetnemesis - 07/01/2014 04:29:41 AM 1430 Views
? Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 07:38:55 AM 1360 Views
Hell, even if this weren't my own information... Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 08:35:33 AM 1514 Views
And furthermore... Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 08:41:11 AM 1464 Views
He had to get a NK from SOMEWHERE. And if you're dedicated to eliminating NKs... beetnemesis - 07/01/2014 08:54:38 PM 1560 Views
No. You do know what an individual role is, don't you? Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 10:06:16 PM 1506 Views
...what? beetnemesis - 07/01/2014 11:35:33 PM 1417 Views
This is a flawed argument in two entirely separate and divergent ways. Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 01:49:27 AM 1401 Views
Any "role" with a Night Kill would be incongruous beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 05:19:34 AM 1513 Views
Re: Any "role" with a Night Kill would be incongruous Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 07:25:04 AM 1585 Views
I'm just going off of what you're telling us about the Watch beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 02:17:25 PM 1483 Views
Re: I'm just going off of what you're telling us about the Watch Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 06:10:43 PM 1526 Views
The truth is we know nothing about the undead other than one of them had a NK beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 08:41:32 PM 1429 Views
How do you know we even have an undead faction? Bergioyn - 08/01/2014 04:28:16 PM 1296 Views
I don't, true. I know that we have more than one undead, and Stephen's NK was not a Watch ability beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 04:46:42 PM 1376 Views
OK, this makes sense. Artsapat - 07/01/2014 10:07:44 AM 1539 Views
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that. Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 08:26:15 PM 1414 Views
Oh. Euhm. Wow Artsapat - 08/01/2014 06:39:57 AM 1516 Views
Yeah, that was actually the first thing I asked about during the Night. Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 07:33:10 AM 1450 Views
Were you definitely blocked by the Watch? beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 02:45:17 PM 1566 Views
Re: Oh. Euhm. Wow Praziquantel - 08/01/2014 05:43:02 PM 1715 Views
Well I guess this confirms that we have a definitive scum faction. ? - 07/01/2014 10:06:14 PM 1403 Views
Good work, F-T Praziquantel - 08/01/2014 05:40:41 PM 1787 Views
Re: Good work, F-T Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 06:09:56 PM 1556 Views
So... you want to lynch me, because I want to lynch scum? beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 08:50:26 PM 1440 Views
This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's Artsapat - 09/01/2014 03:25:02 PM 1493 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's Fanatic-Templar - 09/01/2014 05:33:39 PM 1480 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's Artsapat - 09/01/2014 06:42:44 PM 1598 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's Praziquantel - 10/01/2014 04:38:55 AM 1673 Views
Whaaaaaat. We're not nation-building, here. beetnemesis - 10/01/2014 06:04:16 AM 1515 Views
And why shouldn't they? Praziquantel - 10/01/2014 04:25:21 AM 1719 Views
What if Stephen wasn't the target? Artsapat - 09/01/2014 03:11:38 PM 1482 Views
VNTL/modkill notes - policy Isaac - 11/01/2014 04:29:34 AM 1537 Views
I'll be looking forward to Sunday then. ranagrande - 11/01/2014 05:21:57 AM 1368 Views
Sounds good to me too. Fanatic-Templar - 11/01/2014 05:41:38 AM 1851 Views
Re: Sounds good to me too. Bergioyn - 11/01/2014 10:14:16 AM 1375 Views
Hooray, I can kill people just by wishing! *NM* beetnemesis - 12/01/2014 03:03:49 AM 969 Views
I am certain you will not use that power for evil... *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 12/01/2014 05:09:11 AM 1073 Views
RBIRL Taiga - 11/01/2014 07:32:49 AM 1590 Views
Re: VNTL/modkill notes - policy Sacrilicious Toast - 11/01/2014 10:19:41 AM 1542 Views
Re: VNTL/modkill notes - policy Isaac - 11/01/2014 10:25:16 AM 1464 Views
Modkill - Yunalesca Isaac - 12/01/2014 09:04:40 PM 1864 Views
So... Fanatic-Templar - 13/01/2014 12:57:58 AM 1925 Views
Re: So... Taiga - 13/01/2014 07:54:26 AM 1578 Views
EBWOP. Taiga - 13/01/2014 08:00:13 AM 1462 Views
Complicating matters, there are a ton of dwarves that have been born in the city *NM* beetnemesis - 13/01/2014 03:24:06 PM 868 Views
Dwarves and possibly a vampire. ? - 13/01/2014 07:48:09 PM 1464 Views
They're identifiably foreigners. Fanatic-Templar - 13/01/2014 10:05:08 PM 1930 Views
If it helps your analysis any more, I'm satisfied that vampires aren't a threat beetnemesis - 14/01/2014 06:28:38 PM 1859 Views
Not strictly true Artsapat - 14/01/2014 08:55:57 AM 1513 Views
Re: Not strictly true Artsapat - 14/01/2014 09:07:41 AM 1587 Views
I trust Isaac enough to think it was not a mistake. ? - 15/01/2014 02:44:40 AM 1337 Views
This is a reminder that someone stole my necklace and I'm still annoyed about that *NM* beetnemesis - 14/01/2014 06:30:39 PM 1062 Views
I'm still annoyed at having my wizard hat stolen too. ranagrande - 15/01/2014 06:43:41 AM 1434 Views
Agreed, there are enough things left open. Artsapat - 15/01/2014 03:24:29 PM 1533 Views
This reminds me: did anybody else get anything stolen? Artsapat - 15/01/2014 03:25:21 PM 1585 Views
Re: This reminds me: did anybody else get anything stolen? Sacrilicious Toast - 15/01/2014 07:59:27 PM 1463 Views
I agree, those are the most likely candidates. beetnemesis - 16/01/2014 02:47:05 PM 1878 Views
Problem with that is that the known characters in this game are all recurrent. Artsapat - 16/01/2014 09:05:38 PM 1574 Views
WIZARD. They're called WIZARDS. GOD *NM* beetnemesis - 17/01/2014 01:59:42 PM 1078 Views
Witches also exist in Discworld. *NM* Bergioyn - 17/01/2014 02:10:24 PM 854 Views
...I suppose. Still, the thought of calling a DW witch a "magician" makes my skin crawl. *NM* beetnemesis - 17/01/2014 05:15:09 PM 1120 Views
Euhm. Yeah. Right. Sorry. Been a while since I read DW... *NM* Artsapat - 19/01/2014 08:37:11 PM 818 Views
Another point of order- no idea who left me feeling drained last night beetnemesis - 16/01/2014 03:04:54 PM 1813 Views
Re: Another point of order- no idea who left me feeling drained last night Sacrilicious Toast - 18/01/2014 03:36:41 PM 1536 Views
Vampire was my interpretation, but the wording was just that I woke up feeling drained beetnemesis - 19/01/2014 06:33:10 PM 1819 Views
Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. Artsapat - 19/01/2014 09:12:56 PM 1450 Views
I really see no reason to believe everybody else loses if the Watch wins. Fanatic-Templar - 19/01/2014 10:07:52 PM 1770 Views
Re: Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. ? - 20/01/2014 02:03:11 PM 1554 Views
I never fully got over the cancelation of Buffy and Angel *NM* beetnemesis - 20/01/2014 04:00:03 PM 1104 Views
Re: Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. ranagrande - 20/01/2014 10:51:15 PM 1493 Views
So... how are things with everybody? Doin good? *NM* beetnemesis - 23/01/2014 03:18:07 PM 1125 Views
Day Deadline Monday Night, the 27th *NM* Isaac - 23/01/2014 03:38:20 PM 998 Views
Day Deadline Monday Night, the 27th *NM* Isaac - 23/01/2014 03:44:34 PM 1002 Views
Vote: Praziquantel *NM* ? - 23/01/2014 07:14:04 PM 833 Views
I'm not disagreeing, but what's your reasoning? *NM* beetnemesis - 24/01/2014 03:39:51 PM 1015 Views
What's been discussed already. ? - 24/01/2014 11:29:45 PM 1480 Views
Well, you know my reasoning Artsapat - 24/01/2014 10:11:56 PM 1333 Views
And this is what I was waiting for. Fanatic-Templar - 24/01/2014 10:48:16 PM 1864 Views
Vote: Praziquantel ranagrande - 25/01/2014 09:30:54 PM 1446 Views
And here you are again. Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2014 06:52:21 AM 1772 Views
This is enought for me. Vote:ranagrande *NM* Bergioyn - 26/01/2014 11:38:42 AM 861 Views
I am a little surprised by your strong defense of Praz ? - 26/01/2014 07:18:45 PM 1477 Views
Re: I am a little surprised by your strong defense of Praz Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2014 10:30:31 PM 1848 Views
Then maybe I misinterpreted this: ? - 26/01/2014 11:37:08 PM 1439 Views
Wait let me try that again... ? - 26/01/2014 11:38:48 PM 1437 Views
Re: Then maybe I misinterpreted this: Fanatic-Templar - 27/01/2014 02:49:59 AM 1739 Views
Okay fair enough. Unvote. *NM* ? - 27/01/2014 03:18:34 AM 911 Views
Hm, I think it might be too late to unvote beetnemesis - 27/01/2014 04:09:24 AM 1820 Views
He's right, I didn't check the time stamps Isaac - 27/01/2014 07:46:46 PM 1879 Views
For what it's worth I completely agree that the lynch is legitimate. Fanatic-Templar - 27/01/2014 09:44:10 PM 1975 Views
For sure. I didn't even check the timing. *NM* ? - 27/01/2014 11:49:32 PM 902 Views
Also something of an issue because his death specifically grants a morale bonus to his lynchers *NM* Isaac - 28/01/2014 12:41:19 AM 1004 Views
Can we get an extension? Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2014 06:56:08 AM 1831 Views
Seconded. *NM* Bergioyn - 26/01/2014 11:39:05 AM 859 Views
granted - I'll leave it a bit non-specific for now *NM* Isaac - 26/01/2014 04:09:00 PM 988 Views
Thank you *NM* ? - 26/01/2014 07:05:45 PM 843 Views
VNTL is 4 at the moment Isaac - 26/01/2014 07:21:53 PM 1943 Views
Vote record Update 1 Isaac - 26/01/2014 07:35:43 PM 1869 Views
FT has also voted for ranagrande. *NM* Bergioyn - 26/01/2014 08:00:37 PM 899 Views
Thanks *NM* Isaac - 26/01/2014 08:02:13 PM 1069 Views
I demand blood! Also he's coming off a bit odd. Vote: Praziquantel *NM* beetnemesis - 27/01/2014 02:37:38 AM 1026 Views
Praziquantel has been lynched Isaac - 27/01/2014 07:49:45 PM 1850 Views
Twilight has begun Isaac - 28/01/2014 01:07:26 AM 1993 Views
Re: Twilight has begun Fanatic-Templar - 28/01/2014 02:06:39 AM 1924 Views
Ha, cool! In a more active board, it might have been better, but still, neat idea *NM* beetnemesis - 28/01/2014 03:39:41 AM 1083 Views
So, is it taking long because the Watch protected us SO WELL that you're writing an epic message? *NM* beetnemesis - 04/02/2014 06:33:39 PM 1160 Views
The nights have grown as long as the days I think Isaac - 05/02/2014 12:57:11 PM 2312 Views
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