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Not strictly true Artsapat Send a noteboard - 14/01/2014 08:55:57 AM

The confirmation we have is that there exists a faction called the Hippos, and that Yuna's enemies were from that faction, but that doesn't mean it is THE scum. Agreed, it does very much look like it, and I think I'll work on that hypothesis from now on, but let's not forget that both Stephen and Yuna have win conditions that lie outside the normal mafia set up. It's still possible there are other groups or factions, or that certain players/factions can win without the Hippos being eliminated (the standard definition of Scum). You yourself say you can win when a certain amount of nights go by without an NK. At that point, we may assume that it is not necessary that the Hippos have been eliminated. In particular: I'm not sure if non-Watch townies would win if you or the Watch would. I dont think I'm willing to risk that.

But even if we now would have had confirmation the Hippos are Scum, and I agree that it's a good place to look, how to find one? Races don't really matter as Taiga pointed out, as non-humans are not always foreigners, and humans are not always Ankh-Morporkians. Plus: we don't have that kind of information, except for one. The one person we do know is Ankh-Morporkian already is ranagrande, but I have no idea if he can conceivably be considered a xenophobe. So far, from the descriptions of Stephen and Yuna, the roles and characterization seem to fit the character nicely, but in order to "make" scum, Isaac may have found it necessary to "tweak" the characters a little.

I understand that I look like a good target to you, but you'll find my voting record to not be strictly anti-Yuna. And what I said at the start of today, was the following:

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If that doesn't signify a group (and a dangerous one at that), which I have been thinking about since the beginning, I don't know what else it is.

That's not going after her perse, but indicating that I would eye her extra carefully. And I did, if only she would have reacted to questions of either roleclaim, or a little more information. In addition, you DO know I didn't do the NK on Stephen. After all, I was detained by the Watch (or, to be precise, by Praz, which still is a strange story) during that very night.

The mystery deepens... I think. *MySmiley*
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Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 4 - A New Soap - 23/12/2013 02:05:56 PM 1587 Views
I was kind of hoping we had a Watch faction that would take out a Hippo tonight. - 23/12/2013 03:22:57 PM 939 Views
I targeted a lot of people and don't know against whom I was successful or not. *NM* - 23/12/2013 11:47:29 PM 657 Views
Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm *NM* - 24/12/2013 07:46:16 AM 557 Views
"a lot of people" and "don't know" the results - 24/12/2013 08:03:12 AM 926 Views
You oughtn't be so surprised. - 24/12/2013 07:22:47 PM 855 Views
Seems pretty consistent to me - 24/12/2013 07:40:33 PM 1021 Views
...it does? His last hypocop was "Did nothing so I could save Morale" - 24/12/2013 09:51:02 PM 792 Views
Re: ...it does? His last hypocop was "Did nothing so I could save Morale" - 24/12/2013 10:15:41 PM 813 Views
Re: Seems pretty consistent to me - 25/12/2013 04:09:14 AM 874 Views
I'd like to know if you targetted me, as well. - 25/12/2013 02:17:25 PM 983 Views
Did something happen to you? - 27/12/2013 03:45:20 AM 866 Views
I believe so - 28/12/2013 12:58:24 AM 906 Views
Well? Did you target me? I will make a statement immediately upon your answer. - 29/12/2013 03:52:17 AM 748 Views
Why would I answer? - 29/12/2013 03:59:24 AM 838 Views
Fine, then. Vote: Yunalesca - 30/12/2013 03:59:03 PM 864 Views
Hmm - 01/01/2014 07:01:52 PM 839 Views
I know people are reluctant to lynch "nice" vampires - 02/01/2014 02:44:47 PM 898 Views
On the other hand... - 02/01/2014 06:15:48 PM 884 Views
...you mean the one Night Kill victim we've had? - 02/01/2014 06:56:38 PM 839 Views
So soap trumps night kill? - 04/01/2014 07:08:11 AM 815 Views
Pretty sure I presented three reasons why I felt we should lynch Yuna - 04/01/2014 07:47:39 AM 926 Views
Re: Pretty sure I presented three reasons why I felt we should lynch Yuna - 04/01/2014 06:58:57 PM 976 Views
Short and sweet rebuttals - 04/01/2014 07:22:41 PM 986 Views
My initial reaction... - 04/01/2014 10:47:11 PM 858 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals - 05/01/2014 03:37:18 AM 887 Views
I say that a player likely attacking other players is a higher risk - 05/01/2014 02:37:40 PM 748 Views
Not by your definition of "attacking", no. - 05/01/2014 06:08:49 PM 886 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals - 06/01/2014 05:24:43 AM 958 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals - 06/01/2014 05:51:20 AM 875 Views
True, but there is no indication of a different group, is there? *NM* - 04/01/2014 07:37:15 PM 559 Views
Hmm. Apparentely my last post was not posted - 24/12/2013 07:58:55 AM 898 Views
Fanatic-Templar - Not Guilty *NM* - 25/12/2013 10:18:51 AM 577 Views
Re: Hmm. Apparentely my last post was not posted - 25/12/2013 11:11:17 AM 825 Views
At first I was like "Waah?", but then I noticed this... - 23/12/2013 09:08:16 PM 946 Views
Hypocop Table - 25/12/2013 02:21:42 PM 807 Views
Praziquantel - Not Guilty *NM* - 27/12/2013 04:58:14 AM 508 Views
FT not guilty *NM* - 27/12/2013 05:06:39 PM 633 Views
Re: Hypocop Table - 28/12/2013 04:12:15 PM 936 Views
Bergioyn - Not Guilty - 02/01/2014 04:23:24 PM 840 Views
Re: Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 4 - A New Soap - 30/12/2013 10:14:14 AM 939 Views
Happy New Year! - 02/01/2014 02:37:51 PM 834 Views
You too, I'll do my best. *NM* - 04/01/2014 07:35:03 PM 514 Views
Alright so hopefully this will get us to start talking/thinking again - 02/01/2014 09:45:23 PM 1072 Views
I'm guessing it's because of the RPS system - 03/01/2014 03:01:06 AM 874 Views
What is your opinion of my vote towards Yuna? - 03/01/2014 03:04:16 AM 838 Views
Yuna? Do you have any response to my accusation? *NM* - 07/01/2014 12:08:20 AM 501 Views
So, the promised roleclaim (most of it, at least). - 07/01/2014 03:48:16 AM 937 Views
OK, so NOW do you concede that Stephen's NK was from being a vampire? - 07/01/2014 04:29:41 AM 811 Views
? - 07/01/2014 07:38:55 AM 789 Views
Hell, even if this weren't my own information... - 07/01/2014 08:35:33 AM 941 Views
And furthermore... - 07/01/2014 08:41:11 AM 893 Views
He had to get a NK from SOMEWHERE. And if you're dedicated to eliminating NKs... - 07/01/2014 08:54:38 PM 923 Views
No. You do know what an individual role is, don't you? - 07/01/2014 10:06:16 PM 902 Views
...what? - 07/01/2014 11:35:33 PM 824 Views
This is a flawed argument in two entirely separate and divergent ways. - 08/01/2014 01:49:27 AM 832 Views
Any "role" with a Night Kill would be incongruous - 08/01/2014 05:19:34 AM 900 Views
Re: Any "role" with a Night Kill would be incongruous - 08/01/2014 07:25:04 AM 1002 Views
I'm just going off of what you're telling us about the Watch - 08/01/2014 02:17:25 PM 837 Views
Re: I'm just going off of what you're telling us about the Watch - 08/01/2014 06:10:43 PM 939 Views
OK, this makes sense. - 07/01/2014 10:07:44 AM 907 Views
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that. - 07/01/2014 08:26:15 PM 789 Views
Oh. Euhm. Wow - 08/01/2014 06:39:57 AM 939 Views
Yeah, that was actually the first thing I asked about during the Night. - 08/01/2014 07:33:10 AM 876 Views
Were you definitely blocked by the Watch? - 08/01/2014 02:45:17 PM 902 Views
Re: Oh. Euhm. Wow - 08/01/2014 05:43:02 PM 1086 Views
Good work, F-T - 08/01/2014 05:40:41 PM 1180 Views
Re: Good work, F-T - 08/01/2014 06:09:56 PM 956 Views
So... you want to lynch me, because I want to lynch scum? - 08/01/2014 08:50:26 PM 837 Views
This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's - 09/01/2014 03:25:02 PM 855 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's - 09/01/2014 05:33:39 PM 888 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's - 09/01/2014 06:42:44 PM 985 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's - 10/01/2014 04:38:55 AM 1077 Views
Whaaaaaat. We're not nation-building, here. - 10/01/2014 06:04:16 AM 916 Views
And why shouldn't they? - 10/01/2014 04:25:21 AM 1086 Views
What if Stephen wasn't the target? - 09/01/2014 03:11:38 PM 858 Views
VNTL/modkill notes - policy - 11/01/2014 04:29:34 AM 935 Views
I'll be looking forward to Sunday then. - 11/01/2014 05:21:57 AM 775 Views
Sounds good to me too. - 11/01/2014 05:41:38 AM 1094 Views
Re: Sounds good to me too. - 11/01/2014 10:14:16 AM 767 Views
Hooray, I can kill people just by wishing! *NM* - 12/01/2014 03:03:49 AM 647 Views
I am certain you will not use that power for evil... *NM* - 12/01/2014 05:09:11 AM 671 Views
RBIRL - 11/01/2014 07:32:49 AM 945 Views
Re: VNTL/modkill notes - policy - 11/01/2014 10:19:41 AM 912 Views
Re: VNTL/modkill notes - policy - 11/01/2014 10:25:16 AM 892 Views
Modkill - Yunalesca - 12/01/2014 09:04:40 PM 1123 Views
So... - 13/01/2014 12:57:58 AM 1172 Views
Re: So... - 13/01/2014 07:54:26 AM 912 Views
EBWOP. - 13/01/2014 08:00:13 AM 856 Views
Dwarves and possibly a vampire. - 13/01/2014 07:48:09 PM 852 Views
They're identifiably foreigners. - 13/01/2014 10:05:08 PM 1151 Views
Not strictly true - 14/01/2014 08:55:57 AM 936 Views
Re: Not strictly true - 14/01/2014 09:07:41 AM 1005 Views
I trust Isaac enough to think it was not a mistake. - 15/01/2014 02:44:40 AM 777 Views
This is a reminder that someone stole my necklace and I'm still annoyed about that *NM* - 14/01/2014 06:30:39 PM 734 Views
I'm still annoyed at having my wizard hat stolen too. - 15/01/2014 06:43:41 AM 853 Views
Agreed, there are enough things left open. - 15/01/2014 03:24:29 PM 925 Views
This reminds me: did anybody else get anything stolen? - 15/01/2014 03:25:21 PM 982 Views
Re: This reminds me: did anybody else get anything stolen? - 15/01/2014 07:59:27 PM 880 Views
I agree, those are the most likely candidates. - 16/01/2014 02:47:05 PM 1131 Views
Problem with that is that the known characters in this game are all recurrent. - 16/01/2014 09:05:38 PM 914 Views
WIZARD. They're called WIZARDS. GOD *NM* - 17/01/2014 01:59:42 PM 736 Views
Witches also exist in Discworld. *NM* - 17/01/2014 02:10:24 PM 518 Views
Another point of order- no idea who left me feeling drained last night - 16/01/2014 03:04:54 PM 1022 Views
Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. - 19/01/2014 09:12:56 PM 830 Views
I really see no reason to believe everybody else loses if the Watch wins. - 19/01/2014 10:07:52 PM 1032 Views
Re: Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. - 20/01/2014 10:51:15 PM 918 Views
So... how are things with everybody? Doin good? *NM* - 23/01/2014 03:18:07 PM 763 Views
Day Deadline Monday Night, the 27th *NM* - 23/01/2014 03:38:20 PM 647 Views
Day Deadline Monday Night, the 27th *NM* - 23/01/2014 03:44:34 PM 640 Views
Vote: Praziquantel *NM* - 23/01/2014 07:14:04 PM 520 Views
I'm not disagreeing, but what's your reasoning? *NM* - 24/01/2014 03:39:51 PM 664 Views
What's been discussed already. - 24/01/2014 11:29:45 PM 812 Views
Well, you know my reasoning - 24/01/2014 10:11:56 PM 733 Views
And this is what I was waiting for. - 24/01/2014 10:48:16 PM 1151 Views
Vote: Praziquantel - 25/01/2014 09:30:54 PM 826 Views
And here you are again. - 26/01/2014 06:52:21 AM 1073 Views
This is enought for me. Vote:ranagrande *NM* - 26/01/2014 11:38:42 AM 517 Views
I am a little surprised by your strong defense of Praz - 26/01/2014 07:18:45 PM 874 Views
Re: I am a little surprised by your strong defense of Praz - 26/01/2014 10:30:31 PM 1076 Views
Then maybe I misinterpreted this: - 26/01/2014 11:37:08 PM 871 Views
Wait let me try that again... - 26/01/2014 11:38:48 PM 802 Views
Re: Then maybe I misinterpreted this: - 27/01/2014 02:49:59 AM 1014 Views
Okay fair enough. Unvote. *NM* - 27/01/2014 03:18:34 AM 577 Views
Hm, I think it might be too late to unvote - 27/01/2014 04:09:24 AM 1038 Views
He's right, I didn't check the time stamps - 27/01/2014 07:46:46 PM 1125 Views
Can we get an extension? - 26/01/2014 06:56:08 AM 1087 Views
Seconded. *NM* - 26/01/2014 11:39:05 AM 530 Views
granted - I'll leave it a bit non-specific for now *NM* - 26/01/2014 04:09:00 PM 620 Views
Thank you *NM* - 26/01/2014 07:05:45 PM 541 Views
VNTL is 4 at the moment - 26/01/2014 07:21:53 PM 1153 Views
Vote record Update 1 - 26/01/2014 07:35:43 PM 1084 Views
FT has also voted for ranagrande. *NM* - 26/01/2014 08:00:37 PM 572 Views
Thanks *NM* - 26/01/2014 08:02:13 PM 701 Views
I demand blood! Also he's coming off a bit odd. Vote: Praziquantel *NM* - 27/01/2014 02:37:38 AM 696 Views
Praziquantel has been lynched - 27/01/2014 07:49:45 PM 1086 Views
Twilight has begun - 28/01/2014 01:07:26 AM 1208 Views
Re: Twilight has begun - 28/01/2014 02:06:39 AM 1158 Views

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