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And why shouldn't they? Praziquantel Send a noteboard - 10/01/2014 04:25:21 AM

View original postAre your victory conditions the same as those from the Watch? You already said you were not part of the Watch. So far I've seen more indications of faction winning conditions. "The Town" is not a true faction. Although the Watch is pro-Town, if the Watch wins, I think the rest of the Town may lose - and I don't think you want that. Unless your objectives are the same as those from the Watch. But how could that be, if you're not in the Watch?

No they are not the same as the Watch's win conditions, but I see no reason why I would lose if they won... In the games I've played in the past, there has always been a rule that if there is a period of no deaths for 3 days/nights, the town wins. Logic? If the scum aren't able to kill the town, then they are no threat to the town. So, I am not worried about no one dying at night... In fact, I am worried about the opposite -- a lot people dying, especially at night. With that in mind, I'm happy to help FT reach this win condition.

Why do you think my victory conditions should be incompatible with a lack of night kills? Are your victory conditions incompatible with that? From your reaction, it sounds like they are. If they're not compatible, then I hope you'll explain 1) what they actually are, and 2) why I should support them.


View original postI admit (and have already done so), that I do have to eliminate players that are a threat. The whole discussion between FT and beet focuses on Vigs and SKs, for which one if pro-Town and the other anti-Town. Just like that, having to Lynch people is not anti-Town. It's how Mafia is played. It may be Anti-YourFaction, but in that case: tough.

I'm willing to lynch people who I see as motivated killers... which is why I'm voting beet. However, like I explained above, it sounds like I can technically win without lynching, if necessary. If FT/town would like to just proceed with no-lynch + roleblock at night, I'm happy to continue that way as well.

View original postDid you get confirmation from the Mod on this? He might tell, or might RAFO you.

I know he reads this thread, so I assume he would have responded if he wanted to say something. I'll send him a message but I expect a RAFO.


View original postAnd why did you target me that night? Anybody else was targeted in other nights?

Mostly random, there wasn't a lot to go off of at the end of Day 2. Yes I did roleblock someone each night and I was told I was successful each night. No one else has admitted to being roleblocked, though. Maybe they're hiding the fact that they tried to kill someone, or it could just be that they have no night action or didn't do anything that night (and so the mod maybe didn't tell them they were "blocked" ). Not sure I should reveal yet. But I will say that the first night choice was also mostly random. And last night, I just made an educated guess; I don't know if I actually stopped anything or not.
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Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 4 - A New Soap Isaac - 23/12/2013 02:05:56 PM 1587 Views
I was kind of hoping we had a Watch faction that would take out a Hippo tonight. beetnemesis - 23/12/2013 03:22:57 PM 938 Views
I targeted a lot of people and don't know against whom I was successful or not. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 23/12/2013 11:47:29 PM 656 Views
Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm *NM* beetnemesis - 24/12/2013 07:46:16 AM 555 Views
"a lot of people" and "don't know" the results Artsapat - 24/12/2013 08:03:12 AM 925 Views
You oughtn't be so surprised. Fanatic-Templar - 24/12/2013 07:22:47 PM 855 Views
Seems pretty consistent to me Praziquantel - 24/12/2013 07:40:33 PM 1020 Views
...it does? His last hypocop was "Did nothing so I could save Morale" beetnemesis - 24/12/2013 09:51:02 PM 791 Views
Re: ...it does? His last hypocop was "Did nothing so I could save Morale" Praziquantel - 24/12/2013 10:15:41 PM 812 Views
Re: Seems pretty consistent to me Fanatic-Templar - 25/12/2013 04:09:14 AM 873 Views
I'd like to know if you targetted me, as well. beetnemesis - 25/12/2013 02:17:25 PM 982 Views
Did something happen to you? Fanatic-Templar - 27/12/2013 03:45:20 AM 865 Views
I believe so beetnemesis - 28/12/2013 12:58:24 AM 906 Views
Well? Did you target me? I will make a statement immediately upon your answer. beetnemesis - 29/12/2013 03:52:17 AM 746 Views
Why would I answer? Fanatic-Templar - 29/12/2013 03:59:24 AM 836 Views
Fine, then. Vote: Yunalesca beetnemesis - 30/12/2013 03:59:03 PM 864 Views
Hmm ? - 01/01/2014 07:01:52 PM 838 Views
I know people are reluctant to lynch "nice" vampires beetnemesis - 02/01/2014 02:44:47 PM 896 Views
On the other hand... Fanatic-Templar - 02/01/2014 06:15:48 PM 884 Views
...you mean the one Night Kill victim we've had? beetnemesis - 02/01/2014 06:56:38 PM 838 Views
So soap trumps night kill? Fanatic-Templar - 04/01/2014 07:08:11 AM 814 Views
Pretty sure I presented three reasons why I felt we should lynch Yuna beetnemesis - 04/01/2014 07:47:39 AM 925 Views
Re: Pretty sure I presented three reasons why I felt we should lynch Yuna Fanatic-Templar - 04/01/2014 06:58:57 PM 976 Views
Short and sweet rebuttals beetnemesis - 04/01/2014 07:22:41 PM 984 Views
My initial reaction... ? - 04/01/2014 10:47:11 PM 857 Views
I dunno. If he was going to be modkilled, what would be the point of NK'ing him? beetnemesis - 05/01/2014 02:35:42 PM 740 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals Fanatic-Templar - 05/01/2014 03:37:18 AM 886 Views
I say that a player likely attacking other players is a higher risk beetnemesis - 05/01/2014 02:37:40 PM 745 Views
Not by your definition of "attacking", no. Fanatic-Templar - 05/01/2014 06:08:49 PM 885 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals ranagrande - 06/01/2014 05:24:43 AM 957 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals Fanatic-Templar - 06/01/2014 05:51:20 AM 874 Views
True, but there is no indication of a different group, is there? *NM* Artsapat - 04/01/2014 07:37:15 PM 557 Views
Hmm. Apparentely my last post was not posted Artsapat - 24/12/2013 07:58:55 AM 898 Views
Fanatic-Templar - Not Guilty *NM* Bergioyn - 25/12/2013 10:18:51 AM 576 Views
Re: Hmm. Apparentely my last post was not posted Taiga - 25/12/2013 11:11:17 AM 824 Views
Haha the "hypo" stands for "hypothetical." You're supposed to pretend like you did. *NM* beetnemesis - 25/12/2013 02:15:02 PM 539 Views
At first I was like "Waah?", but then I noticed this... Artsapat - 23/12/2013 09:08:16 PM 944 Views
Hypocop Table beetnemesis - 25/12/2013 02:21:42 PM 806 Views
Praziquantel - Not Guilty *NM* ranagrande - 27/12/2013 04:58:14 AM 507 Views
FT not guilty *NM* ? - 27/12/2013 05:06:39 PM 632 Views
Re: Hypocop Table Taiga - 28/12/2013 04:12:15 PM 933 Views
Bergioyn - Not Guilty Praziquantel - 02/01/2014 04:23:24 PM 839 Views
Re: Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 4 - A New Soap Sacrilicious Toast - 30/12/2013 10:14:14 AM 938 Views
Happy New Year! Isaac - 02/01/2014 02:37:51 PM 833 Views
You too, I'll do my best. *NM* Artsapat - 04/01/2014 07:35:03 PM 513 Views
Alright so hopefully this will get us to start talking/thinking again Praziquantel - 02/01/2014 09:45:23 PM 1072 Views
I'm guessing it's because of the RPS system beetnemesis - 03/01/2014 03:01:06 AM 871 Views
What is your opinion of my vote towards Yuna? beetnemesis - 03/01/2014 03:04:16 AM 837 Views
Interesting speculation, but it's not in line with the circumstances of the death scene Artsapat - 04/01/2014 08:50:08 PM 924 Views
Re: Interesting speculation, but it's not in line with the circumstances of the death scene Taiga - 06/01/2014 12:12:40 PM 930 Views
Yuna? Do you have any response to my accusation? *NM* beetnemesis - 07/01/2014 12:08:20 AM 500 Views
So, the promised roleclaim (most of it, at least). Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 03:48:16 AM 937 Views
OK, so NOW do you concede that Stephen's NK was from being a vampire? beetnemesis - 07/01/2014 04:29:41 AM 810 Views
? Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 07:38:55 AM 788 Views
Hell, even if this weren't my own information... Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 08:35:33 AM 940 Views
And furthermore... Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 08:41:11 AM 893 Views
He had to get a NK from SOMEWHERE. And if you're dedicated to eliminating NKs... beetnemesis - 07/01/2014 08:54:38 PM 922 Views
No. You do know what an individual role is, don't you? Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 10:06:16 PM 902 Views
...what? beetnemesis - 07/01/2014 11:35:33 PM 823 Views
This is a flawed argument in two entirely separate and divergent ways. Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 01:49:27 AM 832 Views
Any "role" with a Night Kill would be incongruous beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 05:19:34 AM 900 Views
Re: Any "role" with a Night Kill would be incongruous Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 07:25:04 AM 1001 Views
I'm just going off of what you're telling us about the Watch beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 02:17:25 PM 835 Views
Re: I'm just going off of what you're telling us about the Watch Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 06:10:43 PM 936 Views
The truth is we know nothing about the undead other than one of them had a NK beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 08:41:32 PM 869 Views
How do you know we even have an undead faction? Bergioyn - 08/01/2014 04:28:16 PM 730 Views
I don't, true. I know that we have more than one undead, and Stephen's NK was not a Watch ability beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 04:46:42 PM 800 Views
OK, this makes sense. Artsapat - 07/01/2014 10:07:44 AM 905 Views
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that. Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 08:26:15 PM 788 Views
Oh. Euhm. Wow Artsapat - 08/01/2014 06:39:57 AM 938 Views
Yeah, that was actually the first thing I asked about during the Night. Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 07:33:10 AM 876 Views
Were you definitely blocked by the Watch? beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 02:45:17 PM 902 Views
Re: Oh. Euhm. Wow Praziquantel - 08/01/2014 05:43:02 PM 1085 Views
Well I guess this confirms that we have a definitive scum faction. ? - 07/01/2014 10:06:14 PM 836 Views
Good work, F-T Praziquantel - 08/01/2014 05:40:41 PM 1178 Views
Re: Good work, F-T Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 06:09:56 PM 956 Views
So... you want to lynch me, because I want to lynch scum? beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 08:50:26 PM 837 Views
This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's Artsapat - 09/01/2014 03:25:02 PM 854 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's Fanatic-Templar - 09/01/2014 05:33:39 PM 886 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's Artsapat - 09/01/2014 06:42:44 PM 983 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's Praziquantel - 10/01/2014 04:38:55 AM 1077 Views
Whaaaaaat. We're not nation-building, here. beetnemesis - 10/01/2014 06:04:16 AM 916 Views
And why shouldn't they? Praziquantel - 10/01/2014 04:25:21 AM 1083 Views
What if Stephen wasn't the target? Artsapat - 09/01/2014 03:11:38 PM 858 Views
VNTL/modkill notes - policy Isaac - 11/01/2014 04:29:34 AM 935 Views
I'll be looking forward to Sunday then. ranagrande - 11/01/2014 05:21:57 AM 773 Views
Sounds good to me too. Fanatic-Templar - 11/01/2014 05:41:38 AM 1093 Views
Re: Sounds good to me too. Bergioyn - 11/01/2014 10:14:16 AM 766 Views
Hooray, I can kill people just by wishing! *NM* beetnemesis - 12/01/2014 03:03:49 AM 646 Views
I am certain you will not use that power for evil... *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 12/01/2014 05:09:11 AM 671 Views
RBIRL Taiga - 11/01/2014 07:32:49 AM 942 Views
Re: VNTL/modkill notes - policy Sacrilicious Toast - 11/01/2014 10:19:41 AM 912 Views
Re: VNTL/modkill notes - policy Isaac - 11/01/2014 10:25:16 AM 892 Views
Modkill - Yunalesca Isaac - 12/01/2014 09:04:40 PM 1123 Views
So... Fanatic-Templar - 13/01/2014 12:57:58 AM 1171 Views
Re: So... Taiga - 13/01/2014 07:54:26 AM 910 Views
EBWOP. Taiga - 13/01/2014 08:00:13 AM 855 Views
Complicating matters, there are a ton of dwarves that have been born in the city *NM* beetnemesis - 13/01/2014 03:24:06 PM 531 Views
Dwarves and possibly a vampire. ? - 13/01/2014 07:48:09 PM 850 Views
They're identifiably foreigners. Fanatic-Templar - 13/01/2014 10:05:08 PM 1150 Views
If it helps your analysis any more, I'm satisfied that vampires aren't a threat beetnemesis - 14/01/2014 06:28:38 PM 1116 Views
Not strictly true Artsapat - 14/01/2014 08:55:57 AM 935 Views
Re: Not strictly true Artsapat - 14/01/2014 09:07:41 AM 1005 Views
I trust Isaac enough to think it was not a mistake. ? - 15/01/2014 02:44:40 AM 776 Views
This is a reminder that someone stole my necklace and I'm still annoyed about that *NM* beetnemesis - 14/01/2014 06:30:39 PM 733 Views
I'm still annoyed at having my wizard hat stolen too. ranagrande - 15/01/2014 06:43:41 AM 852 Views
Agreed, there are enough things left open. Artsapat - 15/01/2014 03:24:29 PM 925 Views
This reminds me: did anybody else get anything stolen? Artsapat - 15/01/2014 03:25:21 PM 981 Views
Re: This reminds me: did anybody else get anything stolen? Sacrilicious Toast - 15/01/2014 07:59:27 PM 880 Views
I agree, those are the most likely candidates. beetnemesis - 16/01/2014 02:47:05 PM 1131 Views
Problem with that is that the known characters in this game are all recurrent. Artsapat - 16/01/2014 09:05:38 PM 913 Views
WIZARD. They're called WIZARDS. GOD *NM* beetnemesis - 17/01/2014 01:59:42 PM 736 Views
Witches also exist in Discworld. *NM* Bergioyn - 17/01/2014 02:10:24 PM 517 Views
...I suppose. Still, the thought of calling a DW witch a "magician" makes my skin crawl. *NM* beetnemesis - 17/01/2014 05:15:09 PM 766 Views
Euhm. Yeah. Right. Sorry. Been a while since I read DW... *NM* Artsapat - 19/01/2014 08:37:11 PM 494 Views
Another point of order- no idea who left me feeling drained last night beetnemesis - 16/01/2014 03:04:54 PM 1019 Views
Re: Another point of order- no idea who left me feeling drained last night Sacrilicious Toast - 18/01/2014 03:36:41 PM 903 Views
Vampire was my interpretation, but the wording was just that I woke up feeling drained beetnemesis - 19/01/2014 06:33:10 PM 1094 Views
Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. Artsapat - 19/01/2014 09:12:56 PM 830 Views
I really see no reason to believe everybody else loses if the Watch wins. Fanatic-Templar - 19/01/2014 10:07:52 PM 1031 Views
Re: Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. ? - 20/01/2014 02:03:11 PM 928 Views
I never fully got over the cancelation of Buffy and Angel *NM* beetnemesis - 20/01/2014 04:00:03 PM 711 Views
Re: Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. ranagrande - 20/01/2014 10:51:15 PM 918 Views
So... how are things with everybody? Doin good? *NM* beetnemesis - 23/01/2014 03:18:07 PM 763 Views
Day Deadline Monday Night, the 27th *NM* Isaac - 23/01/2014 03:38:20 PM 646 Views
Day Deadline Monday Night, the 27th *NM* Isaac - 23/01/2014 03:44:34 PM 640 Views
Vote: Praziquantel *NM* ? - 23/01/2014 07:14:04 PM 519 Views
I'm not disagreeing, but what's your reasoning? *NM* beetnemesis - 24/01/2014 03:39:51 PM 663 Views
What's been discussed already. ? - 24/01/2014 11:29:45 PM 811 Views
Well, you know my reasoning Artsapat - 24/01/2014 10:11:56 PM 732 Views
And this is what I was waiting for. Fanatic-Templar - 24/01/2014 10:48:16 PM 1150 Views
Vote: Praziquantel ranagrande - 25/01/2014 09:30:54 PM 826 Views
And here you are again. Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2014 06:52:21 AM 1072 Views
This is enought for me. Vote:ranagrande *NM* Bergioyn - 26/01/2014 11:38:42 AM 517 Views
I am a little surprised by your strong defense of Praz ? - 26/01/2014 07:18:45 PM 873 Views
Re: I am a little surprised by your strong defense of Praz Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2014 10:30:31 PM 1076 Views
Then maybe I misinterpreted this: ? - 26/01/2014 11:37:08 PM 871 Views
Wait let me try that again... ? - 26/01/2014 11:38:48 PM 800 Views
Re: Then maybe I misinterpreted this: Fanatic-Templar - 27/01/2014 02:49:59 AM 1013 Views
Okay fair enough. Unvote. *NM* ? - 27/01/2014 03:18:34 AM 576 Views
Hm, I think it might be too late to unvote beetnemesis - 27/01/2014 04:09:24 AM 1037 Views
He's right, I didn't check the time stamps Isaac - 27/01/2014 07:46:46 PM 1124 Views
For what it's worth I completely agree that the lynch is legitimate. Fanatic-Templar - 27/01/2014 09:44:10 PM 1208 Views
For sure. I didn't even check the timing. *NM* ? - 27/01/2014 11:49:32 PM 571 Views
Also something of an issue because his death specifically grants a morale bonus to his lynchers *NM* Isaac - 28/01/2014 12:41:19 AM 651 Views
Can we get an extension? Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2014 06:56:08 AM 1084 Views
Seconded. *NM* Bergioyn - 26/01/2014 11:39:05 AM 529 Views
granted - I'll leave it a bit non-specific for now *NM* Isaac - 26/01/2014 04:09:00 PM 619 Views
Thank you *NM* ? - 26/01/2014 07:05:45 PM 541 Views
VNTL is 4 at the moment Isaac - 26/01/2014 07:21:53 PM 1153 Views
Vote record Update 1 Isaac - 26/01/2014 07:35:43 PM 1083 Views
FT has also voted for ranagrande. *NM* Bergioyn - 26/01/2014 08:00:37 PM 571 Views
Thanks *NM* Isaac - 26/01/2014 08:02:13 PM 701 Views
I demand blood! Also he's coming off a bit odd. Vote: Praziquantel *NM* beetnemesis - 27/01/2014 02:37:38 AM 695 Views
Praziquantel has been lynched Isaac - 27/01/2014 07:49:45 PM 1085 Views
Twilight has begun Isaac - 28/01/2014 01:07:26 AM 1207 Views
Re: Twilight has begun Fanatic-Templar - 28/01/2014 02:06:39 AM 1157 Views
Ha, cool! In a more active board, it might have been better, but still, neat idea *NM* beetnemesis - 28/01/2014 03:39:41 AM 745 Views
So, is it taking long because the Watch protected us SO WELL that you're writing an epic message? *NM* beetnemesis - 04/02/2014 06:33:39 PM 792 Views
The nights have grown as long as the days I think Isaac - 05/02/2014 12:57:11 PM 1528 Views
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