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Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's Praziquantel Send a noteboard - 10/01/2014 04:38:55 AM

View original postIf there is a scum faction, and not just factions, the non-scum will only win when the threat has been eliminated, isn't it? No NK for a few nights still means that the scum is there, so the town can't win. That means that the scum has to be eliminated, for anyone other than the Watch to win. In that I agree with beet.

My victory condition, like FT's, doesn't require me to eliminate anyone. I think a lack of deaths sounds like a state of Peace, which ultimately is what town wants to achieve against scum.
View original postSo I come back to this, Praz: what is your alignment? Your arguments don't hold up unless you're part of the Watch (which is a direct lie from your earlier statement) or your victory conditions are EXACTLY the same as those of the Watch. And that, I find hard to believe.

Like I've said in my other post, I don't see why my victory conditions have to be incompatible with FT's, just because I'm not in the Watch. Supporting no night kills seems like a no-brainer. Is there something in this game mechanic that makes you think we need to kill people at night to win? That sounds like a very mafia-esque victory mechanic to me.

And since you find it "hard to believe" that I can win when there are no deaths at night, the more interesting question is why you can't win without killing at night.

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Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 4 - A New Soap Isaac - 23/12/2013 02:05:56 PM 2002 Views
I was kind of hoping we had a Watch faction that would take out a Hippo tonight. beetnemesis - 23/12/2013 03:22:57 PM 1316 Views
I targeted a lot of people and don't know against whom I was successful or not. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 23/12/2013 11:47:29 PM 882 Views
Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm *NM* beetnemesis - 24/12/2013 07:46:16 AM 809 Views
"a lot of people" and "don't know" the results Artsapat - 24/12/2013 08:03:12 AM 1290 Views
You oughtn't be so surprised. Fanatic-Templar - 24/12/2013 07:22:47 PM 1239 Views
Seems pretty consistent to me Praziquantel - 24/12/2013 07:40:33 PM 1394 Views
...it does? His last hypocop was "Did nothing so I could save Morale" beetnemesis - 24/12/2013 09:51:02 PM 1157 Views
Re: ...it does? His last hypocop was "Did nothing so I could save Morale" Praziquantel - 24/12/2013 10:15:41 PM 1175 Views
Re: Seems pretty consistent to me Fanatic-Templar - 25/12/2013 04:09:14 AM 1256 Views
I'd like to know if you targetted me, as well. beetnemesis - 25/12/2013 02:17:25 PM 1362 Views
Did something happen to you? Fanatic-Templar - 27/12/2013 03:45:20 AM 1260 Views
I believe so beetnemesis - 28/12/2013 12:58:24 AM 1275 Views
Well? Did you target me? I will make a statement immediately upon your answer. beetnemesis - 29/12/2013 03:52:17 AM 1110 Views
Why would I answer? Fanatic-Templar - 29/12/2013 03:59:24 AM 1164 Views
Fine, then. Vote: Yunalesca beetnemesis - 30/12/2013 03:59:03 PM 1215 Views
Hmm ? - 01/01/2014 07:01:52 PM 1181 Views
I know people are reluctant to lynch "nice" vampires beetnemesis - 02/01/2014 02:44:47 PM 1282 Views
On the other hand... Fanatic-Templar - 02/01/2014 06:15:48 PM 1247 Views
...you mean the one Night Kill victim we've had? beetnemesis - 02/01/2014 06:56:38 PM 1196 Views
So soap trumps night kill? Fanatic-Templar - 04/01/2014 07:08:11 AM 1173 Views
Pretty sure I presented three reasons why I felt we should lynch Yuna beetnemesis - 04/01/2014 07:47:39 AM 1321 Views
Re: Pretty sure I presented three reasons why I felt we should lynch Yuna Fanatic-Templar - 04/01/2014 06:58:57 PM 1353 Views
Short and sweet rebuttals beetnemesis - 04/01/2014 07:22:41 PM 1352 Views
My initial reaction... ? - 04/01/2014 10:47:11 PM 1226 Views
I dunno. If he was going to be modkilled, what would be the point of NK'ing him? beetnemesis - 05/01/2014 02:35:42 PM 1102 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals Fanatic-Templar - 05/01/2014 03:37:18 AM 1260 Views
I say that a player likely attacking other players is a higher risk beetnemesis - 05/01/2014 02:37:40 PM 1117 Views
Not by your definition of "attacking", no. Fanatic-Templar - 05/01/2014 06:08:49 PM 1250 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals ranagrande - 06/01/2014 05:24:43 AM 1319 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals Fanatic-Templar - 06/01/2014 05:51:20 AM 1272 Views
True, but there is no indication of a different group, is there? *NM* Artsapat - 04/01/2014 07:37:15 PM 781 Views
Hmm. Apparentely my last post was not posted Artsapat - 24/12/2013 07:58:55 AM 1261 Views
Fanatic-Templar - Not Guilty *NM* Bergioyn - 25/12/2013 10:18:51 AM 837 Views
Re: Hmm. Apparentely my last post was not posted Taiga - 25/12/2013 11:11:17 AM 1168 Views
Haha the "hypo" stands for "hypothetical." You're supposed to pretend like you did. *NM* beetnemesis - 25/12/2013 02:15:02 PM 774 Views
At first I was like "Waah?", but then I noticed this... Artsapat - 23/12/2013 09:08:16 PM 1318 Views
Hypocop Table beetnemesis - 25/12/2013 02:21:42 PM 1189 Views
Praziquantel - Not Guilty *NM* ranagrande - 27/12/2013 04:58:14 AM 721 Views
FT not guilty *NM* ? - 27/12/2013 05:06:39 PM 862 Views
Re: Hypocop Table Taiga - 28/12/2013 04:12:15 PM 1340 Views
Bergioyn - Not Guilty Praziquantel - 02/01/2014 04:23:24 PM 1218 Views
Re: Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 4 - A New Soap Sacrilicious Toast - 30/12/2013 10:14:14 AM 1326 Views
Happy New Year! Isaac - 02/01/2014 02:37:51 PM 1193 Views
You too, I'll do my best. *NM* Artsapat - 04/01/2014 07:35:03 PM 734 Views
Alright so hopefully this will get us to start talking/thinking again Praziquantel - 02/01/2014 09:45:23 PM 1497 Views
I'm guessing it's because of the RPS system beetnemesis - 03/01/2014 03:01:06 AM 1241 Views
What is your opinion of my vote towards Yuna? beetnemesis - 03/01/2014 03:04:16 AM 1191 Views
Interesting speculation, but it's not in line with the circumstances of the death scene Artsapat - 04/01/2014 08:50:08 PM 1282 Views
Re: Interesting speculation, but it's not in line with the circumstances of the death scene Taiga - 06/01/2014 12:12:40 PM 1275 Views
Yuna? Do you have any response to my accusation? *NM* beetnemesis - 07/01/2014 12:08:20 AM 718 Views
So, the promised roleclaim (most of it, at least). Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 03:48:16 AM 1313 Views
OK, so NOW do you concede that Stephen's NK was from being a vampire? beetnemesis - 07/01/2014 04:29:41 AM 1199 Views
? Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 07:38:55 AM 1150 Views
Hell, even if this weren't my own information... Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 08:35:33 AM 1298 Views
And furthermore... Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 08:41:11 AM 1256 Views
He had to get a NK from SOMEWHERE. And if you're dedicated to eliminating NKs... beetnemesis - 07/01/2014 08:54:38 PM 1309 Views
No. You do know what an individual role is, don't you? Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 10:06:16 PM 1267 Views
...what? beetnemesis - 07/01/2014 11:35:33 PM 1177 Views
This is a flawed argument in two entirely separate and divergent ways. Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 01:49:27 AM 1193 Views
Any "role" with a Night Kill would be incongruous beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 05:19:34 AM 1286 Views
Re: Any "role" with a Night Kill would be incongruous Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 07:25:04 AM 1369 Views
I'm just going off of what you're telling us about the Watch beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 02:17:25 PM 1206 Views
Re: I'm just going off of what you're telling us about the Watch Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 06:10:43 PM 1302 Views
The truth is we know nothing about the undead other than one of them had a NK beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 08:41:32 PM 1216 Views
How do you know we even have an undead faction? Bergioyn - 08/01/2014 04:28:16 PM 1079 Views
I don't, true. I know that we have more than one undead, and Stephen's NK was not a Watch ability beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 04:46:42 PM 1154 Views
OK, this makes sense. Artsapat - 07/01/2014 10:07:44 AM 1284 Views
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that. Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 08:26:15 PM 1168 Views
Oh. Euhm. Wow Artsapat - 08/01/2014 06:39:57 AM 1301 Views
Yeah, that was actually the first thing I asked about during the Night. Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 07:33:10 AM 1244 Views
Were you definitely blocked by the Watch? beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 02:45:17 PM 1350 Views
Re: Oh. Euhm. Wow Praziquantel - 08/01/2014 05:43:02 PM 1479 Views
Well I guess this confirms that we have a definitive scum faction. ? - 07/01/2014 10:06:14 PM 1192 Views
Good work, F-T Praziquantel - 08/01/2014 05:40:41 PM 1559 Views
Re: Good work, F-T Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 06:09:56 PM 1310 Views
So... you want to lynch me, because I want to lynch scum? beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 08:50:26 PM 1195 Views
This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's Artsapat - 09/01/2014 03:25:02 PM 1238 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's Fanatic-Templar - 09/01/2014 05:33:39 PM 1266 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's Artsapat - 09/01/2014 06:42:44 PM 1366 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's Praziquantel - 10/01/2014 04:38:55 AM 1436 Views
Whaaaaaat. We're not nation-building, here. beetnemesis - 10/01/2014 06:04:16 AM 1319 Views
And why shouldn't they? Praziquantel - 10/01/2014 04:25:21 AM 1496 Views
What if Stephen wasn't the target? Artsapat - 09/01/2014 03:11:38 PM 1253 Views
VNTL/modkill notes - policy Isaac - 11/01/2014 04:29:34 AM 1311 Views
I'll be looking forward to Sunday then. ranagrande - 11/01/2014 05:21:57 AM 1144 Views
Sounds good to me too. Fanatic-Templar - 11/01/2014 05:41:38 AM 1623 Views
Re: Sounds good to me too. Bergioyn - 11/01/2014 10:14:16 AM 1144 Views
Hooray, I can kill people just by wishing! *NM* beetnemesis - 12/01/2014 03:03:49 AM 858 Views
I am certain you will not use that power for evil... *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 12/01/2014 05:09:11 AM 901 Views
RBIRL Taiga - 11/01/2014 07:32:49 AM 1340 Views
Re: VNTL/modkill notes - policy Sacrilicious Toast - 11/01/2014 10:19:41 AM 1314 Views
Re: VNTL/modkill notes - policy Isaac - 11/01/2014 10:25:16 AM 1247 Views
Modkill - Yunalesca Isaac - 12/01/2014 09:04:40 PM 1627 Views
So... Fanatic-Templar - 13/01/2014 12:57:58 AM 1692 Views
Re: So... Taiga - 13/01/2014 07:54:26 AM 1331 Views
EBWOP. Taiga - 13/01/2014 08:00:13 AM 1241 Views
Complicating matters, there are a ton of dwarves that have been born in the city *NM* beetnemesis - 13/01/2014 03:24:06 PM 749 Views
Dwarves and possibly a vampire. ? - 13/01/2014 07:48:09 PM 1246 Views
They're identifiably foreigners. Fanatic-Templar - 13/01/2014 10:05:08 PM 1681 Views
If it helps your analysis any more, I'm satisfied that vampires aren't a threat beetnemesis - 14/01/2014 06:28:38 PM 1625 Views
Not strictly true Artsapat - 14/01/2014 08:55:57 AM 1307 Views
Re: Not strictly true Artsapat - 14/01/2014 09:07:41 AM 1373 Views
I trust Isaac enough to think it was not a mistake. ? - 15/01/2014 02:44:40 AM 1114 Views
This is a reminder that someone stole my necklace and I'm still annoyed about that *NM* beetnemesis - 14/01/2014 06:30:39 PM 947 Views
I'm still annoyed at having my wizard hat stolen too. ranagrande - 15/01/2014 06:43:41 AM 1225 Views
Agreed, there are enough things left open. Artsapat - 15/01/2014 03:24:29 PM 1300 Views
This reminds me: did anybody else get anything stolen? Artsapat - 15/01/2014 03:25:21 PM 1372 Views
Re: This reminds me: did anybody else get anything stolen? Sacrilicious Toast - 15/01/2014 07:59:27 PM 1238 Views
I agree, those are the most likely candidates. beetnemesis - 16/01/2014 02:47:05 PM 1650 Views
Problem with that is that the known characters in this game are all recurrent. Artsapat - 16/01/2014 09:05:38 PM 1331 Views
WIZARD. They're called WIZARDS. GOD *NM* beetnemesis - 17/01/2014 01:59:42 PM 966 Views
Witches also exist in Discworld. *NM* Bergioyn - 17/01/2014 02:10:24 PM 740 Views
...I suppose. Still, the thought of calling a DW witch a "magician" makes my skin crawl. *NM* beetnemesis - 17/01/2014 05:15:09 PM 1003 Views
Euhm. Yeah. Right. Sorry. Been a while since I read DW... *NM* Artsapat - 19/01/2014 08:37:11 PM 697 Views
Another point of order- no idea who left me feeling drained last night beetnemesis - 16/01/2014 03:04:54 PM 1574 Views
Re: Another point of order- no idea who left me feeling drained last night Sacrilicious Toast - 18/01/2014 03:36:41 PM 1270 Views
Vampire was my interpretation, but the wording was just that I woke up feeling drained beetnemesis - 19/01/2014 06:33:10 PM 1602 Views
Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. Artsapat - 19/01/2014 09:12:56 PM 1206 Views
I really see no reason to believe everybody else loses if the Watch wins. Fanatic-Templar - 19/01/2014 10:07:52 PM 1549 Views
Re: Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. ? - 20/01/2014 02:03:11 PM 1352 Views
I never fully got over the cancelation of Buffy and Angel *NM* beetnemesis - 20/01/2014 04:00:03 PM 982 Views
Re: Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. ranagrande - 20/01/2014 10:51:15 PM 1284 Views
So... how are things with everybody? Doin good? *NM* beetnemesis - 23/01/2014 03:18:07 PM 1002 Views
Day Deadline Monday Night, the 27th *NM* Isaac - 23/01/2014 03:38:20 PM 884 Views
Day Deadline Monday Night, the 27th *NM* Isaac - 23/01/2014 03:44:34 PM 870 Views
Vote: Praziquantel *NM* ? - 23/01/2014 07:14:04 PM 723 Views
I'm not disagreeing, but what's your reasoning? *NM* beetnemesis - 24/01/2014 03:39:51 PM 901 Views
What's been discussed already. ? - 24/01/2014 11:29:45 PM 1211 Views
Well, you know my reasoning Artsapat - 24/01/2014 10:11:56 PM 1106 Views
And this is what I was waiting for. Fanatic-Templar - 24/01/2014 10:48:16 PM 1655 Views
Vote: Praziquantel ranagrande - 25/01/2014 09:30:54 PM 1186 Views
And here you are again. Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2014 06:52:21 AM 1552 Views
This is enought for me. Vote:ranagrande *NM* Bergioyn - 26/01/2014 11:38:42 AM 737 Views
I am a little surprised by your strong defense of Praz ? - 26/01/2014 07:18:45 PM 1242 Views
Re: I am a little surprised by your strong defense of Praz Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2014 10:30:31 PM 1609 Views
Then maybe I misinterpreted this: ? - 26/01/2014 11:37:08 PM 1241 Views
Wait let me try that again... ? - 26/01/2014 11:38:48 PM 1211 Views
Re: Then maybe I misinterpreted this: Fanatic-Templar - 27/01/2014 02:49:59 AM 1514 Views
Okay fair enough. Unvote. *NM* ? - 27/01/2014 03:18:34 AM 797 Views
Hm, I think it might be too late to unvote beetnemesis - 27/01/2014 04:09:24 AM 1551 Views
He's right, I didn't check the time stamps Isaac - 27/01/2014 07:46:46 PM 1637 Views
For what it's worth I completely agree that the lynch is legitimate. Fanatic-Templar - 27/01/2014 09:44:10 PM 1752 Views
For sure. I didn't even check the timing. *NM* ? - 27/01/2014 11:49:32 PM 784 Views
Also something of an issue because his death specifically grants a morale bonus to his lynchers *NM* Isaac - 28/01/2014 12:41:19 AM 893 Views
Can we get an extension? Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2014 06:56:08 AM 1596 Views
Seconded. *NM* Bergioyn - 26/01/2014 11:39:05 AM 731 Views
granted - I'll leave it a bit non-specific for now *NM* Isaac - 26/01/2014 04:09:00 PM 871 Views
Thank you *NM* ? - 26/01/2014 07:05:45 PM 743 Views
VNTL is 4 at the moment Isaac - 26/01/2014 07:21:53 PM 1716 Views
Vote record Update 1 Isaac - 26/01/2014 07:35:43 PM 1629 Views
FT has also voted for ranagrande. *NM* Bergioyn - 26/01/2014 08:00:37 PM 786 Views
Thanks *NM* Isaac - 26/01/2014 08:02:13 PM 938 Views
I demand blood! Also he's coming off a bit odd. Vote: Praziquantel *NM* beetnemesis - 27/01/2014 02:37:38 AM 924 Views
Praziquantel has been lynched Isaac - 27/01/2014 07:49:45 PM 1602 Views
Twilight has begun Isaac - 28/01/2014 01:07:26 AM 1728 Views
Re: Twilight has begun Fanatic-Templar - 28/01/2014 02:06:39 AM 1688 Views
Ha, cool! In a more active board, it might have been better, but still, neat idea *NM* beetnemesis - 28/01/2014 03:39:41 AM 965 Views
So, is it taking long because the Watch protected us SO WELL that you're writing an epic message? *NM* beetnemesis - 04/02/2014 06:33:39 PM 1016 Views
The nights have grown as long as the days I think Isaac - 05/02/2014 12:57:11 PM 2082 Views
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