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Not strictly true Artsapat Send a noteboard - 14/01/2014 08:55:57 AM

The confirmation we have is that there exists a faction called the Hippos, and that Yuna's enemies were from that faction, but that doesn't mean it is THE scum. Agreed, it does very much look like it, and I think I'll work on that hypothesis from now on, but let's not forget that both Stephen and Yuna have win conditions that lie outside the normal mafia set up. It's still possible there are other groups or factions, or that certain players/factions can win without the Hippos being eliminated (the standard definition of Scum). You yourself say you can win when a certain amount of nights go by without an NK. At that point, we may assume that it is not necessary that the Hippos have been eliminated. In particular: I'm not sure if non-Watch townies would win if you or the Watch would. I dont think I'm willing to risk that.

But even if we now would have had confirmation the Hippos are Scum, and I agree that it's a good place to look, how to find one? Races don't really matter as Taiga pointed out, as non-humans are not always foreigners, and humans are not always Ankh-Morporkians. Plus: we don't have that kind of information, except for one. The one person we do know is Ankh-Morporkian already is ranagrande, but I have no idea if he can conceivably be considered a xenophobe. So far, from the descriptions of Stephen and Yuna, the roles and characterization seem to fit the character nicely, but in order to "make" scum, Isaac may have found it necessary to "tweak" the characters a little.

I understand that I look like a good target to you, but you'll find my voting record to not be strictly anti-Yuna. And what I said at the start of today, was the following:

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Garlic Soap (3): Alleged to repel the undead

If that doesn't signify a group (and a dangerous one at that), which I have been thinking about since the beginning, I don't know what else it is.

That's not going after her perse, but indicating that I would eye her extra carefully. And I did, if only she would have reacted to questions of either roleclaim, or a little more information. In addition, you DO know I didn't do the NK on Stephen. After all, I was detained by the Watch (or, to be precise, by Praz, which still is a strange story) during that very night.

The mystery deepens... I think. *MySmiley*
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Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 4 - A New Soap - 23/12/2013 02:05:56 PM 2105 Views
I was kind of hoping we had a Watch faction that would take out a Hippo tonight. - 23/12/2013 03:22:57 PM 1414 Views
I targeted a lot of people and don't know against whom I was successful or not. *NM* - 23/12/2013 11:47:29 PM 924 Views
Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm *NM* - 24/12/2013 07:46:16 AM 856 Views
"a lot of people" and "don't know" the results - 24/12/2013 08:03:12 AM 1375 Views
You oughtn't be so surprised. - 24/12/2013 07:22:47 PM 1329 Views
Seems pretty consistent to me - 24/12/2013 07:40:33 PM 1479 Views
...it does? His last hypocop was "Did nothing so I could save Morale" - 24/12/2013 09:51:02 PM 1251 Views
Re: ...it does? His last hypocop was "Did nothing so I could save Morale" - 24/12/2013 10:15:41 PM 1266 Views
Re: Seems pretty consistent to me - 25/12/2013 04:09:14 AM 1341 Views
I'd like to know if you targetted me, as well. - 25/12/2013 02:17:25 PM 1453 Views
Did something happen to you? - 27/12/2013 03:45:20 AM 1344 Views
I believe so - 28/12/2013 12:58:24 AM 1358 Views
Well? Did you target me? I will make a statement immediately upon your answer. - 29/12/2013 03:52:17 AM 1204 Views
Why would I answer? - 29/12/2013 03:59:24 AM 1259 Views
Fine, then. Vote: Yunalesca - 30/12/2013 03:59:03 PM 1294 Views
Hmm - 01/01/2014 07:01:52 PM 1269 Views
I know people are reluctant to lynch "nice" vampires - 02/01/2014 02:44:47 PM 1400 Views
On the other hand... - 02/01/2014 06:15:48 PM 1333 Views
...you mean the one Night Kill victim we've had? - 02/01/2014 06:56:38 PM 1272 Views
So soap trumps night kill? - 04/01/2014 07:08:11 AM 1254 Views
Pretty sure I presented three reasons why I felt we should lynch Yuna - 04/01/2014 07:47:39 AM 1424 Views
Re: Pretty sure I presented three reasons why I felt we should lynch Yuna - 04/01/2014 06:58:57 PM 1427 Views
Short and sweet rebuttals - 04/01/2014 07:22:41 PM 1442 Views
My initial reaction... - 04/01/2014 10:47:11 PM 1289 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals - 05/01/2014 03:37:18 AM 1335 Views
I say that a player likely attacking other players is a higher risk - 05/01/2014 02:37:40 PM 1239 Views
Not by your definition of "attacking", no. - 05/01/2014 06:08:49 PM 1342 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals - 06/01/2014 05:24:43 AM 1419 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals - 06/01/2014 05:51:20 AM 1356 Views
True, but there is no indication of a different group, is there? *NM* - 04/01/2014 07:37:15 PM 839 Views
Hmm. Apparentely my last post was not posted - 24/12/2013 07:58:55 AM 1346 Views
Fanatic-Templar - Not Guilty *NM* - 25/12/2013 10:18:51 AM 881 Views
Re: Hmm. Apparentely my last post was not posted - 25/12/2013 11:11:17 AM 1259 Views
At first I was like "Waah?", but then I noticed this... - 23/12/2013 09:08:16 PM 1416 Views
Hypocop Table - 25/12/2013 02:21:42 PM 1280 Views
Praziquantel - Not Guilty *NM* - 27/12/2013 04:58:14 AM 765 Views
FT not guilty *NM* - 27/12/2013 05:06:39 PM 912 Views
Re: Hypocop Table - 28/12/2013 04:12:15 PM 1432 Views
Bergioyn - Not Guilty - 02/01/2014 04:23:24 PM 1288 Views
Re: Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 4 - A New Soap - 30/12/2013 10:14:14 AM 1403 Views
Happy New Year! - 02/01/2014 02:37:51 PM 1314 Views
You too, I'll do my best. *NM* - 04/01/2014 07:35:03 PM 779 Views
Alright so hopefully this will get us to start talking/thinking again - 02/01/2014 09:45:23 PM 1635 Views
I'm guessing it's because of the RPS system - 03/01/2014 03:01:06 AM 1321 Views
What is your opinion of my vote towards Yuna? - 03/01/2014 03:04:16 AM 1292 Views
Yuna? Do you have any response to my accusation? *NM* - 07/01/2014 12:08:20 AM 763 Views
So, the promised roleclaim (most of it, at least). - 07/01/2014 03:48:16 AM 1403 Views
OK, so NOW do you concede that Stephen's NK was from being a vampire? - 07/01/2014 04:29:41 AM 1300 Views
? - 07/01/2014 07:38:55 AM 1229 Views
Hell, even if this weren't my own information... - 07/01/2014 08:35:33 AM 1379 Views
And furthermore... - 07/01/2014 08:41:11 AM 1338 Views
He had to get a NK from SOMEWHERE. And if you're dedicated to eliminating NKs... - 07/01/2014 08:54:38 PM 1423 Views
No. You do know what an individual role is, don't you? - 07/01/2014 10:06:16 PM 1362 Views
...what? - 07/01/2014 11:35:33 PM 1279 Views
This is a flawed argument in two entirely separate and divergent ways. - 08/01/2014 01:49:27 AM 1275 Views
Any "role" with a Night Kill would be incongruous - 08/01/2014 05:19:34 AM 1371 Views
Re: Any "role" with a Night Kill would be incongruous - 08/01/2014 07:25:04 AM 1453 Views
I'm just going off of what you're telling us about the Watch - 08/01/2014 02:17:25 PM 1343 Views
Re: I'm just going off of what you're telling us about the Watch - 08/01/2014 06:10:43 PM 1395 Views
How do you know we even have an undead faction? - 08/01/2014 04:28:16 PM 1163 Views
OK, this makes sense. - 07/01/2014 10:07:44 AM 1389 Views
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that. - 07/01/2014 08:26:15 PM 1272 Views
Oh. Euhm. Wow - 08/01/2014 06:39:57 AM 1383 Views
Yeah, that was actually the first thing I asked about during the Night. - 08/01/2014 07:33:10 AM 1321 Views
Were you definitely blocked by the Watch? - 08/01/2014 02:45:17 PM 1432 Views
Re: Oh. Euhm. Wow - 08/01/2014 05:43:02 PM 1576 Views
Good work, F-T - 08/01/2014 05:40:41 PM 1640 Views
Re: Good work, F-T - 08/01/2014 06:09:56 PM 1414 Views
So... you want to lynch me, because I want to lynch scum? - 08/01/2014 08:50:26 PM 1289 Views
This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's - 09/01/2014 03:25:02 PM 1332 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's - 09/01/2014 05:33:39 PM 1347 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's - 09/01/2014 06:42:44 PM 1452 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's - 10/01/2014 04:38:55 AM 1527 Views
Whaaaaaat. We're not nation-building, here. - 10/01/2014 06:04:16 AM 1397 Views
And why shouldn't they? - 10/01/2014 04:25:21 AM 1577 Views
What if Stephen wasn't the target? - 09/01/2014 03:11:38 PM 1337 Views
VNTL/modkill notes - policy - 11/01/2014 04:29:34 AM 1399 Views
I'll be looking forward to Sunday then. - 11/01/2014 05:21:57 AM 1222 Views
Sounds good to me too. - 11/01/2014 05:41:38 AM 1708 Views
Re: Sounds good to me too. - 11/01/2014 10:14:16 AM 1225 Views
Hooray, I can kill people just by wishing! *NM* - 12/01/2014 03:03:49 AM 902 Views
I am certain you will not use that power for evil... *NM* - 12/01/2014 05:09:11 AM 943 Views
RBIRL - 11/01/2014 07:32:49 AM 1433 Views
Re: VNTL/modkill notes - policy - 11/01/2014 10:19:41 AM 1398 Views
Re: VNTL/modkill notes - policy - 11/01/2014 10:25:16 AM 1342 Views
Modkill - Yunalesca - 12/01/2014 09:04:40 PM 1719 Views
So... - 13/01/2014 12:57:58 AM 1787 Views
Re: So... - 13/01/2014 07:54:26 AM 1432 Views
EBWOP. - 13/01/2014 08:00:13 AM 1327 Views
Dwarves and possibly a vampire. - 13/01/2014 07:48:09 PM 1334 Views
They're identifiably foreigners. - 13/01/2014 10:05:08 PM 1782 Views
Not strictly true - 14/01/2014 08:55:57 AM 1380 Views
Re: Not strictly true - 14/01/2014 09:07:41 AM 1449 Views
I trust Isaac enough to think it was not a mistake. - 15/01/2014 02:44:40 AM 1205 Views
This is a reminder that someone stole my necklace and I'm still annoyed about that *NM* - 14/01/2014 06:30:39 PM 981 Views
I'm still annoyed at having my wizard hat stolen too. - 15/01/2014 06:43:41 AM 1293 Views
Agreed, there are enough things left open. - 15/01/2014 03:24:29 PM 1395 Views
This reminds me: did anybody else get anything stolen? - 15/01/2014 03:25:21 PM 1447 Views
Re: This reminds me: did anybody else get anything stolen? - 15/01/2014 07:59:27 PM 1326 Views
I agree, those are the most likely candidates. - 16/01/2014 02:47:05 PM 1736 Views
Problem with that is that the known characters in this game are all recurrent. - 16/01/2014 09:05:38 PM 1428 Views
WIZARD. They're called WIZARDS. GOD *NM* - 17/01/2014 01:59:42 PM 1005 Views
Witches also exist in Discworld. *NM* - 17/01/2014 02:10:24 PM 780 Views
Another point of order- no idea who left me feeling drained last night - 16/01/2014 03:04:54 PM 1671 Views
Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. - 19/01/2014 09:12:56 PM 1307 Views
I really see no reason to believe everybody else loses if the Watch wins. - 19/01/2014 10:07:52 PM 1636 Views
Re: Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. - 20/01/2014 02:03:11 PM 1431 Views
I never fully got over the cancelation of Buffy and Angel *NM* - 20/01/2014 04:00:03 PM 1025 Views
Re: Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. - 20/01/2014 10:51:15 PM 1362 Views
So... how are things with everybody? Doin good? *NM* - 23/01/2014 03:18:07 PM 1044 Views
Day Deadline Monday Night, the 27th *NM* - 23/01/2014 03:38:20 PM 928 Views
Day Deadline Monday Night, the 27th *NM* - 23/01/2014 03:44:34 PM 929 Views
Vote: Praziquantel *NM* - 23/01/2014 07:14:04 PM 763 Views
I'm not disagreeing, but what's your reasoning? *NM* - 24/01/2014 03:39:51 PM 939 Views
What's been discussed already. - 24/01/2014 11:29:45 PM 1304 Views
Well, you know my reasoning - 24/01/2014 10:11:56 PM 1197 Views
And this is what I was waiting for. - 24/01/2014 10:48:16 PM 1733 Views
Vote: Praziquantel - 25/01/2014 09:30:54 PM 1277 Views
And here you are again. - 26/01/2014 06:52:21 AM 1638 Views
This is enought for me. Vote:ranagrande *NM* - 26/01/2014 11:38:42 AM 782 Views
I am a little surprised by your strong defense of Praz - 26/01/2014 07:18:45 PM 1345 Views
Re: I am a little surprised by your strong defense of Praz - 26/01/2014 10:30:31 PM 1690 Views
Then maybe I misinterpreted this: - 26/01/2014 11:37:08 PM 1312 Views
Wait let me try that again... - 26/01/2014 11:38:48 PM 1304 Views
Re: Then maybe I misinterpreted this: - 27/01/2014 02:49:59 AM 1590 Views
Okay fair enough. Unvote. *NM* - 27/01/2014 03:18:34 AM 831 Views
Hm, I think it might be too late to unvote - 27/01/2014 04:09:24 AM 1642 Views
He's right, I didn't check the time stamps - 27/01/2014 07:46:46 PM 1720 Views
Can we get an extension? - 26/01/2014 06:56:08 AM 1678 Views
Seconded. *NM* - 26/01/2014 11:39:05 AM 770 Views
granted - I'll leave it a bit non-specific for now *NM* - 26/01/2014 04:09:00 PM 914 Views
Thank you *NM* - 26/01/2014 07:05:45 PM 779 Views
VNTL is 4 at the moment - 26/01/2014 07:21:53 PM 1797 Views
Vote record Update 1 - 26/01/2014 07:35:43 PM 1729 Views
FT has also voted for ranagrande. *NM* - 26/01/2014 08:00:37 PM 829 Views
Thanks *NM* - 26/01/2014 08:02:13 PM 987 Views
I demand blood! Also he's coming off a bit odd. Vote: Praziquantel *NM* - 27/01/2014 02:37:38 AM 956 Views
Praziquantel has been lynched - 27/01/2014 07:49:45 PM 1695 Views
Twilight has begun - 28/01/2014 01:07:26 AM 1837 Views
Re: Twilight has begun - 28/01/2014 02:06:39 AM 1788 Views

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