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Not strictly true Artsapat Send a noteboard - 14/01/2014 08:55:57 AM

The confirmation we have is that there exists a faction called the Hippos, and that Yuna's enemies were from that faction, but that doesn't mean it is THE scum. Agreed, it does very much look like it, and I think I'll work on that hypothesis from now on, but let's not forget that both Stephen and Yuna have win conditions that lie outside the normal mafia set up. It's still possible there are other groups or factions, or that certain players/factions can win without the Hippos being eliminated (the standard definition of Scum). You yourself say you can win when a certain amount of nights go by without an NK. At that point, we may assume that it is not necessary that the Hippos have been eliminated. In particular: I'm not sure if non-Watch townies would win if you or the Watch would. I dont think I'm willing to risk that.

But even if we now would have had confirmation the Hippos are Scum, and I agree that it's a good place to look, how to find one? Races don't really matter as Taiga pointed out, as non-humans are not always foreigners, and humans are not always Ankh-Morporkians. Plus: we don't have that kind of information, except for one. The one person we do know is Ankh-Morporkian already is ranagrande, but I have no idea if he can conceivably be considered a xenophobe. So far, from the descriptions of Stephen and Yuna, the roles and characterization seem to fit the character nicely, but in order to "make" scum, Isaac may have found it necessary to "tweak" the characters a little.

I understand that I look like a good target to you, but you'll find my voting record to not be strictly anti-Yuna. And what I said at the start of today, was the following:

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If that doesn't signify a group (and a dangerous one at that), which I have been thinking about since the beginning, I don't know what else it is.

That's not going after her perse, but indicating that I would eye her extra carefully. And I did, if only she would have reacted to questions of either roleclaim, or a little more information. In addition, you DO know I didn't do the NK on Stephen. After all, I was detained by the Watch (or, to be precise, by Praz, which still is a strange story) during that very night.

The mystery deepens... I think. *MySmiley*
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Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 4 - A New Soap - 23/12/2013 02:05:56 PM 1878 Views
I was kind of hoping we had a Watch faction that would take out a Hippo tonight. - 23/12/2013 03:22:57 PM 1200 Views
I targeted a lot of people and don't know against whom I was successful or not. *NM* - 23/12/2013 11:47:29 PM 824 Views
Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm *NM* - 24/12/2013 07:46:16 AM 722 Views
"a lot of people" and "don't know" the results - 24/12/2013 08:03:12 AM 1187 Views
You oughtn't be so surprised. - 24/12/2013 07:22:47 PM 1133 Views
Seems pretty consistent to me - 24/12/2013 07:40:33 PM 1297 Views
...it does? His last hypocop was "Did nothing so I could save Morale" - 24/12/2013 09:51:02 PM 1054 Views
Re: ...it does? His last hypocop was "Did nothing so I could save Morale" - 24/12/2013 10:15:41 PM 1088 Views
Re: Seems pretty consistent to me - 25/12/2013 04:09:14 AM 1148 Views
I'd like to know if you targetted me, as well. - 25/12/2013 02:17:25 PM 1255 Views
Did something happen to you? - 27/12/2013 03:45:20 AM 1145 Views
I believe so - 28/12/2013 12:58:24 AM 1184 Views
Well? Did you target me? I will make a statement immediately upon your answer. - 29/12/2013 03:52:17 AM 1010 Views
Why would I answer? - 29/12/2013 03:59:24 AM 1067 Views
Fine, then. Vote: Yunalesca - 30/12/2013 03:59:03 PM 1127 Views
Hmm - 01/01/2014 07:01:52 PM 1089 Views
I know people are reluctant to lynch "nice" vampires - 02/01/2014 02:44:47 PM 1174 Views
On the other hand... - 02/01/2014 06:15:48 PM 1148 Views
...you mean the one Night Kill victim we've had? - 02/01/2014 06:56:38 PM 1111 Views
So soap trumps night kill? - 04/01/2014 07:08:11 AM 1085 Views
Pretty sure I presented three reasons why I felt we should lynch Yuna - 04/01/2014 07:47:39 AM 1203 Views
Re: Pretty sure I presented three reasons why I felt we should lynch Yuna - 04/01/2014 06:58:57 PM 1254 Views
Short and sweet rebuttals - 04/01/2014 07:22:41 PM 1259 Views
My initial reaction... - 04/01/2014 10:47:11 PM 1105 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals - 05/01/2014 03:37:18 AM 1152 Views
I say that a player likely attacking other players is a higher risk - 05/01/2014 02:37:40 PM 1022 Views
Not by your definition of "attacking", no. - 05/01/2014 06:08:49 PM 1154 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals - 06/01/2014 05:24:43 AM 1220 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals - 06/01/2014 05:51:20 AM 1161 Views
True, but there is no indication of a different group, is there? *NM* - 04/01/2014 07:37:15 PM 732 Views
Hmm. Apparentely my last post was not posted - 24/12/2013 07:58:55 AM 1160 Views
Fanatic-Templar - Not Guilty *NM* - 25/12/2013 10:18:51 AM 762 Views
Re: Hmm. Apparentely my last post was not posted - 25/12/2013 11:11:17 AM 1069 Views
At first I was like "Waah?", but then I noticed this... - 23/12/2013 09:08:16 PM 1209 Views
Hypocop Table - 25/12/2013 02:21:42 PM 1095 Views
Praziquantel - Not Guilty *NM* - 27/12/2013 04:58:14 AM 680 Views
FT not guilty *NM* - 27/12/2013 05:06:39 PM 802 Views
Re: Hypocop Table - 28/12/2013 04:12:15 PM 1219 Views
Bergioyn - Not Guilty - 02/01/2014 04:23:24 PM 1106 Views
Re: Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 4 - A New Soap - 30/12/2013 10:14:14 AM 1212 Views
Happy New Year! - 02/01/2014 02:37:51 PM 1086 Views
You too, I'll do my best. *NM* - 04/01/2014 07:35:03 PM 679 Views
Alright so hopefully this will get us to start talking/thinking again - 02/01/2014 09:45:23 PM 1389 Views
I'm guessing it's because of the RPS system - 03/01/2014 03:01:06 AM 1137 Views
What is your opinion of my vote towards Yuna? - 03/01/2014 03:04:16 AM 1108 Views
Yuna? Do you have any response to my accusation? *NM* - 07/01/2014 12:08:20 AM 672 Views
So, the promised roleclaim (most of it, at least). - 07/01/2014 03:48:16 AM 1206 Views
OK, so NOW do you concede that Stephen's NK was from being a vampire? - 07/01/2014 04:29:41 AM 1081 Views
? - 07/01/2014 07:38:55 AM 1049 Views
Hell, even if this weren't my own information... - 07/01/2014 08:35:33 AM 1214 Views
And furthermore... - 07/01/2014 08:41:11 AM 1151 Views
He had to get a NK from SOMEWHERE. And if you're dedicated to eliminating NKs... - 07/01/2014 08:54:38 PM 1194 Views
No. You do know what an individual role is, don't you? - 07/01/2014 10:06:16 PM 1160 Views
...what? - 07/01/2014 11:35:33 PM 1074 Views
This is a flawed argument in two entirely separate and divergent ways. - 08/01/2014 01:49:27 AM 1099 Views
Any "role" with a Night Kill would be incongruous - 08/01/2014 05:19:34 AM 1171 Views
Re: Any "role" with a Night Kill would be incongruous - 08/01/2014 07:25:04 AM 1279 Views
I'm just going off of what you're telling us about the Watch - 08/01/2014 02:17:25 PM 1104 Views
Re: I'm just going off of what you're telling us about the Watch - 08/01/2014 06:10:43 PM 1216 Views
OK, this makes sense. - 07/01/2014 10:07:44 AM 1181 Views
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that. - 07/01/2014 08:26:15 PM 1069 Views
Oh. Euhm. Wow - 08/01/2014 06:39:57 AM 1217 Views
Yeah, that was actually the first thing I asked about during the Night. - 08/01/2014 07:33:10 AM 1148 Views
Were you definitely blocked by the Watch? - 08/01/2014 02:45:17 PM 1176 Views
Re: Oh. Euhm. Wow - 08/01/2014 05:43:02 PM 1355 Views
Good work, F-T - 08/01/2014 05:40:41 PM 1466 Views
Re: Good work, F-T - 08/01/2014 06:09:56 PM 1213 Views
So... you want to lynch me, because I want to lynch scum? - 08/01/2014 08:50:26 PM 1099 Views
This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's - 09/01/2014 03:25:02 PM 1123 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's - 09/01/2014 05:33:39 PM 1153 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's - 09/01/2014 06:42:44 PM 1255 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's - 10/01/2014 04:38:55 AM 1348 Views
Whaaaaaat. We're not nation-building, here. - 10/01/2014 06:04:16 AM 1197 Views
And why shouldn't they? - 10/01/2014 04:25:21 AM 1372 Views
What if Stephen wasn't the target? - 09/01/2014 03:11:38 PM 1134 Views
VNTL/modkill notes - policy - 11/01/2014 04:29:34 AM 1205 Views
I'll be looking forward to Sunday then. - 11/01/2014 05:21:57 AM 1036 Views
Sounds good to me too. - 11/01/2014 05:41:38 AM 1518 Views
Re: Sounds good to me too. - 11/01/2014 10:14:16 AM 1049 Views
Hooray, I can kill people just by wishing! *NM* - 12/01/2014 03:03:49 AM 808 Views
I am certain you will not use that power for evil... *NM* - 12/01/2014 05:09:11 AM 837 Views
RBIRL - 11/01/2014 07:32:49 AM 1227 Views
Re: VNTL/modkill notes - policy - 11/01/2014 10:19:41 AM 1214 Views
Re: VNTL/modkill notes - policy - 11/01/2014 10:25:16 AM 1147 Views
Modkill - Yunalesca - 12/01/2014 09:04:40 PM 1516 Views
So... - 13/01/2014 12:57:58 AM 1600 Views
Re: So... - 13/01/2014 07:54:26 AM 1191 Views
EBWOP. - 13/01/2014 08:00:13 AM 1135 Views
Dwarves and possibly a vampire. - 13/01/2014 07:48:09 PM 1136 Views
They're identifiably foreigners. - 13/01/2014 10:05:08 PM 1563 Views
Not strictly true - 14/01/2014 08:55:57 AM 1209 Views
Re: Not strictly true - 14/01/2014 09:07:41 AM 1278 Views
I trust Isaac enough to think it was not a mistake. - 15/01/2014 02:44:40 AM 1033 Views
This is a reminder that someone stole my necklace and I'm still annoyed about that *NM* - 14/01/2014 06:30:39 PM 899 Views
I'm still annoyed at having my wizard hat stolen too. - 15/01/2014 06:43:41 AM 1120 Views
Agreed, there are enough things left open. - 15/01/2014 03:24:29 PM 1202 Views
This reminds me: did anybody else get anything stolen? - 15/01/2014 03:25:21 PM 1276 Views
Re: This reminds me: did anybody else get anything stolen? - 15/01/2014 07:59:27 PM 1146 Views
I agree, those are the most likely candidates. - 16/01/2014 02:47:05 PM 1533 Views
Problem with that is that the known characters in this game are all recurrent. - 16/01/2014 09:05:38 PM 1211 Views
WIZARD. They're called WIZARDS. GOD *NM* - 17/01/2014 01:59:42 PM 905 Views
Witches also exist in Discworld. *NM* - 17/01/2014 02:10:24 PM 685 Views
Another point of order- no idea who left me feeling drained last night - 16/01/2014 03:04:54 PM 1443 Views
Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. - 19/01/2014 09:12:56 PM 1094 Views
I really see no reason to believe everybody else loses if the Watch wins. - 19/01/2014 10:07:52 PM 1455 Views
Re: Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. - 20/01/2014 10:51:15 PM 1185 Views
So... how are things with everybody? Doin good? *NM* - 23/01/2014 03:18:07 PM 941 Views
Day Deadline Monday Night, the 27th *NM* - 23/01/2014 03:38:20 PM 819 Views
Day Deadline Monday Night, the 27th *NM* - 23/01/2014 03:44:34 PM 816 Views
Vote: Praziquantel *NM* - 23/01/2014 07:14:04 PM 685 Views
I'm not disagreeing, but what's your reasoning? *NM* - 24/01/2014 03:39:51 PM 851 Views
What's been discussed already. - 24/01/2014 11:29:45 PM 1085 Views
Well, you know my reasoning - 24/01/2014 10:11:56 PM 1012 Views
And this is what I was waiting for. - 24/01/2014 10:48:16 PM 1557 Views
Vote: Praziquantel - 25/01/2014 09:30:54 PM 1088 Views
And here you are again. - 26/01/2014 06:52:21 AM 1446 Views
This is enought for me. Vote:ranagrande *NM* - 26/01/2014 11:38:42 AM 686 Views
I am a little surprised by your strong defense of Praz - 26/01/2014 07:18:45 PM 1144 Views
Re: I am a little surprised by your strong defense of Praz - 26/01/2014 10:30:31 PM 1489 Views
Then maybe I misinterpreted this: - 26/01/2014 11:37:08 PM 1145 Views
Wait let me try that again... - 26/01/2014 11:38:48 PM 1087 Views
Re: Then maybe I misinterpreted this: - 27/01/2014 02:49:59 AM 1413 Views
Okay fair enough. Unvote. *NM* - 27/01/2014 03:18:34 AM 741 Views
Hm, I think it might be too late to unvote - 27/01/2014 04:09:24 AM 1428 Views
He's right, I didn't check the time stamps - 27/01/2014 07:46:46 PM 1537 Views
Can we get an extension? - 26/01/2014 06:56:08 AM 1493 Views
Seconded. *NM* - 26/01/2014 11:39:05 AM 691 Views
granted - I'll leave it a bit non-specific for now *NM* - 26/01/2014 04:09:00 PM 796 Views
Thank you *NM* - 26/01/2014 07:05:45 PM 710 Views
VNTL is 4 at the moment - 26/01/2014 07:21:53 PM 1607 Views
Vote record Update 1 - 26/01/2014 07:35:43 PM 1520 Views
FT has also voted for ranagrande. *NM* - 26/01/2014 08:00:37 PM 733 Views
Thanks *NM* - 26/01/2014 08:02:13 PM 883 Views
I demand blood! Also he's coming off a bit odd. Vote: Praziquantel *NM* - 27/01/2014 02:37:38 AM 874 Views
Praziquantel has been lynched - 27/01/2014 07:49:45 PM 1511 Views
Twilight has begun - 28/01/2014 01:07:26 AM 1627 Views
Re: Twilight has begun - 28/01/2014 02:06:39 AM 1573 Views

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